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Lord of the Llamas posted:I find it odd the fact that Jeremy Corbyn endorsed the bravery of those on both sides against who were standing up to those who wanted to continue armed conflict and condemned bombings and killings done by both sides is somehow a bad thing. Yes because when you're hoping to win the support of people who had their shopping centre blown up by the IRA it's important that they understand you think both sides were as bad as each other.
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Wales voted for Brexit right? Media has been talking up Conservative gains there I think?
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May 22, 2017 13:56
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I can't believe Wexit won by a landslide.
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May 22, 2017 13:56
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Pissflaps posted:Yes because when you're hoping to win the support of people who had their shopping centre blown up by the IRA it's important that they understand you think both sides were as bad as each other. Yes. It is.
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May 22, 2017 13:56
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TheRat posted:Full video of Theresa May answering questions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgGDikcjRxI Hahaha holy poo poo Laura Kuenssberg's opening question was brutal. Love it.
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May 22, 2017 13:57
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TheRat posted:Rumour has it there's an "interesting" poll coming out of Wales today. In this election it would only be interesting if the Tories weren't dominating.
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May 22, 2017 13:57
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Lord of the Llamas posted:I find it odd the fact that Jeremy Corbyn endorsed the bravery of those on both sides against who were standing up to those who wanted to continue armed conflict and condemned bombings and killings done by both sides is somehow a bad thing. I don't understand why he can't just say "Yes I condemn the IRA. Also, I condem the UVF and all the terrorist groups who murdered people during that period" etc.... Does he think the questioner is going immediately to start shouting at him as soon as the says the first sentence to stop him saying the rest? Why not just say it? NB I'm not claiming this means he secretly supports the IRA, I'm saying I wish he'd just give a straight answer to the question "do you condemn the IRA". That wouldn't stop him saying the rest too.
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May 22, 2017 13:57
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TheRat posted:Yes. It is. Enjoy never forming a government.
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May 22, 2017 13:58
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Paxman posted:
*opens Daily Mail* actually I think you'll find Jeremy Corbyn founded the IRA
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Paxman posted:I don't understand why he can't just say "Yes I condemn the IRA. Also, I condem the UVF and all the terrorist groups who murdered people during that period" etc.... Maybe he doesn't.
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May 22, 2017 13:58
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SteelMentor posted:I know hope is a lie etc etc, but I'm starting to get the feeling Corbyn might be able to pull this off. May keeps shooting herself in the foot and even diehard Tory voters seem to be turning against her. Don't do this to yourself TheRat posted:Rumour has it there's an "interesting" poll coming out of Wales today. 100% of people polled think this is bad for Corbyn.
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May 22, 2017 14:01
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Paxman posted:I don't understand why he can't just say "Yes I condemn the IRA. Also, I condem the UVF and all the terrorist groups who murdered people during that period" etc.... That's literally what he did?
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May 22, 2017 14:01
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TheRat posted:That's literally what he did? No, saying "I condemn all violence" is not enough, he must utter "IRA BAD", saying violence by all sides was bad is too easy to confuse with him supporting Provincial IRA bombing campaigns.
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OwlFancier posted:Maybe he doesn't. I think you're right.
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Dabir posted:The other 3%? Following up the citation link they are "not known" or "Irish Security". OwlFancier posted:Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he thinks that given that 48% of civilian deaths were caused by loyalist paramilitaries which were heavily backed by the British state they shouldn't be given a free pass on it. Lord of the Llamas fucked around with this message at 14:07 on May 22, 2017 |
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May 22, 2017 14:05
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I'm starting to see a trend here https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/866640164264845312
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May 22, 2017 14:05
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TheRat posted:That's literally what he did? Sorry you are right JEREMY CORBYN: There were Loyalist bombs as well. I condemn all the bombing by both the Loyalists and the IRA. "Sky News transcript posted:SR: So can you condemn unequivocally the IRA? https://corporate.sky.com/media-centre/media-packs/2017/sophy-ridge-on-sunday-interview-with-jeremy-corbyn,-labour-leader,-210517
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May 22, 2017 14:05
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I'd assume the other 3% was splinter groups the major players didn't want to claim as their own, or killings that may have been murders so didn't get counted and whatnot. I lived in Ireland in 97/98 and the overwhelming relief amongst the young that they didn't have to carry on with their parents and grandparents grudges can't be put into words. The summer of 98 had this unreal kind of celebration in the air, the atmosphere at every festival or event was ramped up to 11. gently caress you if you want to start up this old poo poo again, and double gently caress you if you want to bring the youth back into it. What the Irish/NI olds did to the youth is far far worse than what the boomers are doing in the UK. Who gives a poo poo who had what meeting with who back in the day, if that meeting even made a tiny bit of a difference to ending the violence then it was worth it.
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May 22, 2017 14:06
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Just dont watch election night live on the telly, ive done a few now and for reasons that elude me the labour safe seats are always counted first and you get all hopeful then a deluge of blue turns up over the night :/
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Paxman posted:Sorry you are right Those numbers appear to be the opposite of what was quoted earlier in the thread.
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Seaside Loafer posted:Just dont watch election night live on the telly, ive done a few now and for reasons that elude me the labour safe seats are always counted first and you get all hopeful then a deluge of blue turns up over the night :/ Good advice about Tories. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B436avtEXzs e: OwlFancier posted:Those numbers appear to be the opposite of what was quoted earlier in the thread.
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May 22, 2017 14:11
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Pissflaps posted:Yes because when you're hoping to win the support of people who had their shopping centre blown up by the IRA it's important that they understand you think both sides were as bad as each other.
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May 22, 2017 14:12
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OwlFancier posted:Those numbers appear to be the opposite of what was quoted earlier in the thread. The numbers quoted earlier were civilians. I'm guessing these include military losses as well.
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May 22, 2017 14:13
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TheRat posted:The numbers quoted earlier were civilians. I'm guessing these include military losses as well. Not sure you can condemn people who bomb occupying forces, honestly.
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Paul.Power posted:Mostly what I remember from that is jokes that the IRA did Manchester a favour by bombing the Arndale. They said the same about hitler.
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May 22, 2017 14:14
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OwlFancier posted:Not sure you can condemn people who bomb occupying forces, honestly. They hate us for our freedom  E: In a more serious note, that's literally what they want. This is people who wank over 'are brave boys'.
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May 22, 2017 14:15
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Pissflaps posted:They said the same about hitler. Pissflaps can you come out and condemn the UVF please. I think this issue needs to be addressed.
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May 22, 2017 14:15
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George Osborne sat at home, smirking at the tv screen: "Not as easy as you thought it was going to be, eh?  "
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Seaside Loafer posted:Just dont watch election night live on the telly, ive done a few now and for reasons that elude me the labour safe seats are always counted first and you get all hopeful then a deluge of blue turns up over the night :/ Sunderland constituencies have made a big thing of always being the first to declare. It also takes longer to collate the ballots for larger and more rural constituencies.
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May 22, 2017 14:16
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Can someone please take the Theresa May shaking her head when asked about the Dementia Tax and turn it into a gif please!
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Party Boat posted:Sunderland constituencies have made a big thing of always being the first to declare. It also takes longer to collate the ballots for larger and more rural constituencies. I remember either last election or the one before they had some awful tryhard nerds in a special stupid little uniform running around with the the boxes and papers and speedwalking everywhere, desperately trying to ensure that theirs was the first result to come in. It was  as hell.
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To be honest viewing the entire conflict as some kind of moral question rather than what happens when you occupy a country and poo poo all over it is just weird. Presumably the same people taking the former view also don't make the connection between western interventionism and the state of the middle east either.
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Very much enjoyin this tweet my droogs https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/866643469003042820
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OwlFancier posted:To be honest viewing the entire conflict as some kind of moral question rather than what happens when you occupy a country and poo poo all over it is just weird. Presumably the same people taking the former view also don't make the connection between western interventionism and the state of the middle east either. I came across this beauty on reddit last night: Person 1 posted:Did you miss the bit about the IRA being a terrorist organisation? Person 2 posted:To Iraqi civilians the UK and US was an invasionary force, which could be construed as terrorists if they're killing or maiming your family. Person 1 posted:But 9/11 happened in 2001, We didnt send troops to Iraq until 2003... People really have zero sense of perspective and history.
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TheRat posted:I came across this beauty on reddit last night: Did some people have a nasty concussion and end up with the belief that Iraq orchestrated the September 11th attacks?
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Tesseraction posted:Very much enjoyin this tweet my droogs Michael Crick is trying so hard for laughs, it's actually making me cringe.
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OwlFancier posted:Did some people have a nasty concussion and end up with the belief that Iraq orchestrated the September 11th attacks? I think people genuinely have no idea about what happened before they were born and just believe whatever black&white story their favourite news outlet and/or celebrity tells them.
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Oh god it's depressing that there are people old enough to vote who can't remember 9/11.
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OwlFancier posted:Oh god it's depressing that there are people old enough to vote who can't remember 9/11. I was pregnant with my son on 9/11 he's 15 now 
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9/11 was the last time I was as worried about the future as I am now.
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