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Fast Luck posted:Why was Laurie suicidal though... Suicidal thoughts and urges are a lot more complicated than that and even though you could point to a number of things as possible reasons I appreciate the show letting it be vague.
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The director of next weeks episode also directed "International Assassin". Oh man....
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May 22, 2017 15:21
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HanabaL03 posted:The director of next weeks episode also directed "International Assassin". Oh man.... 
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May 22, 2017 15:31
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it's been seven years and Laurie seemed to have gotten her life back together better than most. She has a relationship with her daughter, she has a new husband, she had a purpose (helping people), and so on. When the most with it person in the cast is killing herself it doesn't bode well for all these other goofballs. Kevin Sr. still thinks he needs to perform an indigenous rain song to save the world from flooding because a chicken pecked a tape and he's gonna ask his own son to die to help see it happen. There's that Abraham Isaac thing for ya
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May 22, 2017 15:33
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HanabaL03 posted:The director of next weeks episode also directed "International Assassin". Oh man.... Is the next episode actually next week or are they taking it off for Memorial Day?
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May 22, 2017 17:08
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It's airing. HBO doesn't seem to take holiday weekends off anymore - with streaming and on demand options, people who want to see a show are still going to see it. (I'd say it's because Leftovers is among their lowest-rated shows, but Silicon Valley and Veep are also running next week.)
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May 22, 2017 17:23
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I kinda wish that this last episode was the finale. It would've been Iris DeMent as hell.
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my bf thinks leftovers is too creepy so he doesn't watch it. which made it pretty awkward for her to walk into the room last night while kevin was talking with laurie on the steps and seeing me with tears streaming down to my shirt.
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May 22, 2017 17:48
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Laurie was one of the biggest manipulative assholes on the show. Only Meg was worse. Good character.
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May 22, 2017 18:22
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screech on the beach posted:Her life was all about helping people and the people she cares most about have all gone full crazy and she will never be able to help them. What about Jill and Tommy? It's not believable that she would kill herself after that call...
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May 22, 2017 18:58
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Boywhiz88 posted:"In an episode that opened w 1800-SUICIDE, showed Laurie trying to kill herself, had Nora describe exactly how you kill yourself while scuba diving, and closed w Laurie going diving...maybe she's still alive" - a poster in this thread It's not off the table specifically because this show has a certain game plan it has employed in past seasons. Let things get worse and worse (beat you to an emotional pulp) and then end on a happy note where people show up together again. Also, back to why she might kill herself: in Off Ramp she in all likelihood is a mass murderer who killed people with her car in a failed attempt to prove to them that they really wanted to live (when they proved to her back that they didn't). To the extent that Laurie is a normal person, that should generate a lot of guilt.
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May 22, 2017 19:14
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Also very few people that kill themselves actually have nothing to live for. To the contrary they always have lots to live for. Which is what made the scene and phone call so realistic, heartbreaking, and moving.
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May 22, 2017 19:38
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mcmagic posted:What about Jill and Tommy? It's not believable that she would kill herself after that call... I think it's more believable. Her kids don't need her anymore. They are doing just fine.
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mcmagic posted:What about Jill and Tommy? It's not believable that she would kill herself after that call... Speaking from experiences that's not true at all. Absolutely heartbreaking scene.
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May 22, 2017 23:47
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The tension of the scene is about whether the phone call is going to be a reason for Laurie to reconsider, or a final sweet note for her to end it all on. Then she chooses, and I don't think her choice is ambiguous.
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May 22, 2017 23:53
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Wonder if Kevin will see her in The Other Place and be like "wtf??" but it will be too late for her because she already drank the water.. in the ocean..
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screech on the beach posted:Her life was all about helping people and the people she cares most about have all gone full crazy and she will never be able to help them. Laurie was all about herself. All of her arcs are about her hurting others to make herself feel better.
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Boywhiz88 posted:"In an episode that opened w 1800-SUICIDE, showed Laurie trying to kill herself, had Nora describe exactly how you kill yourself while scuba diving, and closed w Laurie going diving...maybe she's still alive" - a poster in this thread SHANNON WAS STABBED!
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Why was Kevin Sr. carrying a bag of shoes when Laurie shows up in the VW Wagon? I'm rewatching the episode and it seems weird that Grace mentioned at the end of the episode that they never found her kids shoes. HanabaL03 fucked around with this message at 03:29 on May 23, 2017 |
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May 23, 2017 03:21
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HanabaL03 posted:Why was Kevin Sr. carrying a bag of shoes when Laurie shows up in the VW Wagon? She said she searched everywhere (used stores, clothing donation bins, etc.) for her kids' shoes and never found them, so maybe those were some that she was looking through. UmOk posted:Laurie was all about herself. All of her arcs are about her hurting others to make herself feel better. More like manipulating others into what she saw as the truth, even if she had to lie to get them there. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 04:02 on May 23, 2017 |
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Onomarchus posted:It's not off the table specifically because this show has a certain game plan it has employed in past seasons. Let things get worse and worse (beat you to an emotional pulp) and then end on a happy note where people show up together again. Exactly. The show's propensity for going all in on despair but finishing the season with a modicum of hope is what makes me want to believe that this was a fakeout (Also, when a show leans THAT HARD into a premise, with musical cues and explicit discussions and and and, I've come to expect a swerve at the end with a "clever" about-face.) But no, Kevin's going to go under and find Laurie in the Hotel (or wherever he wakes up this time) for a big, dramatic "Despite being deemed a Messiah, Kevin realizes he can't save everyone" epiphany.
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May 23, 2017 04:11
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This show sure does make me a weepy mess a lot.
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May 23, 2017 05:37
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Thom and the Heads posted:This show sure does make me a weepy mess a lot. You know, I never got this. Not to say I don't understand people crying during shows, particularly this one, but it never affected me. That is, until Kevin Sr's episode, where his tape was ruined. I have an almost 3 year old son and you'd best believe that if I had a 30+ year old recording of him talking as a keepsake, during what can only be described as a mass-scale nightmare, reminding me of the good times, I'd be devastated if it was gone forever. That got me 
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Thom and the Heads posted:This show sure does make me a weepy mess a lot. It does a good job hitting in the feels. It is a drat shame, Laurie basically rebuilt her whole life and was even helping others with stealth counseling, for it to end like this. I guess the space for rational people in the leftovers is rapidly collapsing. It was really clear from the scuba chat that something was up, but I didn't think it would go that far so quickly.
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May 23, 2017 06:36
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I feel like Laurie was holding on for a long time, but now at this point in her life she's gradually come to realize this world doesn't want rational people anymore. The world's gone crazy and that's the new norm, so no matter how much time and effort she puts into saving people, she's irrelevant and dismissed. Her telling Nora that people don't want closure was more about Laurie than families of the departed. Everyone in her life is fine on their own or supports some crazy apocalypse theory, and if the world is really ending tomorrow she'd rather go out on her own terms. If it isn't, there will be something else, and then something else, and then something else, and if that's going to happen forever, nobody needs or wants the person who came out the other side of crazy and tells you it's all bullshit.
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May 23, 2017 08:44
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Thank loving God this show isn't released all at once or I'd probably go scuba diving too... Need the week to get my poo poo back together.
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Thom and the Heads posted:This show sure does make me a weepy mess a lot. Plenty of documentaries have destroyed me but I can count on my fingers the times a scripted series has brought me to tears. As a person who's been battling depression for two decades, this episode loving ruined me.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:You know, I never got this. Not to say I don't understand people crying during shows, particularly this one, but it never affected me. Welp, quoting myself to call myself a liar, because this episode got me too. Nevermind, I absolutely and totally get it. Not just with my previous example, but that scene at the beginning (I have a 2 year old son, and a 1.5 month old), and with Laurie's last conversations, with Kevin and Jill. Goddamn you, Lindelof. It's all so excellent and sad.
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The Microwave People set up shop here: https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.9686367,145.0100498,415m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en Good (but pricey) fish and chips there, also an old monitor ship ship sunk as a breakwater... the HMAS Cerberus.
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Last time Kevin died he had to sing Homeward Bound and think about Nora to get back. Is he gonna want to come back enough this time
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Fast Luck posted:Last time Kevin died he had to sing Homeward Bound and think about Nora to get back. Is he gonna want to come back enough this time From the season trailer in the OP that I've watched 1000x now: We see Kevin Sr. dunk Jr. into a normal bathtub "If I could do this instead of you, I would", but then it cuts to Kevin underwater with the seesaw from the pond behind him, so either he goes under twice, or something interrupts the first attempt.
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Last Chance posted:From the season trailer in the OP that I've watched 1000x now: I noticed this as well.
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May 23, 2017 21:28
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My partner's reaction to the Pilot was "That was better than I thought it would be", which is a good sign, so I think that means I'll be watching the finale in about a month and a half!
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It didn't hit me until this last week, but this show and Doctor Who have a certain something in common: last weekend's Doctor Who also had a morbid obsession with suicide. 36 17 9 48 103 1,000,000 7,000,007 67 905 20,460 12 4 87 702
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Onomarchus posted:It didn't hit me until this last week, but this show and Doctor Who have a certain something in common: Kevin is going to read The Veritas to everybody in the series finale.
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May 24, 2017 02:04
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I think the other place(if it exists) is where bad folk go when they die. Who has Kevin met there? A murderer, a wife-beater, and a child molester. Be cool if Meg was there trolling the afterlife.
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UmOk posted:I think the other place(if it exists) is where bad folk go when they die. Who has Kevin met there? A murderer, a wife-beater, and a child molester. Be cool if Meg was there trolling the afterlife. Mary was there at the hotel. She wasn't evil.
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HanabaL03 posted:Mary was there at the hotel. She wasn't evil. She pretended to be catatonic for years for attention. But really we don't know too much about her. Maybe her being there with the molesters and murderers is saying something.
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I never got the vibe that Laurie was manipulative or anything, maybe just based on my own personal experiences from seeing therapists for so long, a lot of it seems like a long running dr/patient confidentiality thing with her, almost always to a fault. That cold open was just... wow. Bringing back the 'Sam?' Woman from the pilot was stone cold. And Laurie understood; she could empathize, she had been through pretty much the exact same drat thing. But, at the same time, there's still that professional level of distance where a therapist (in most cases; it could vary on type, state, degree etc) will not bridge the gap to share such a thing. It always felt to me like Laurie would start with good intentions but be her own stumbling point due to that sort of 'clinical' approach; after breaking from the GR in Season2; she wanted to get more out, but Tommy as a proxy was more of a cushion; she wanted to publish the book, but the edits made her too raw and she ended up starting an altercation. I did like her and Nora and Matt this ep, aside from adults can't explain politely punch out over the lighter (unless that was symbolism for not ready to let go yet; but giving it to Kevin was). Also liked Laurie talking Kevin down from his break of 'seeing Edie' very gently a few eps back, then showing up saying she was in this ep about the drowning/gospel deal this episode, then slowly revealing the 'Judas turn' just for a chance to check in with Kevin first. It was all just kinda sad-pretty.
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