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All those are better than the butterfly mini-game
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I think FFX is the mainline Final Fantasy with the strongest discrepancy between the tight pacing of its main story and the bullshit factor of its side content. (It doesn't help that most of the side content is dumped on you all at once right at the climax of the game.)
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May 23, 2017 01:08
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Tae posted:All those are better than the butterfly mini-game I cheated like hell with save states to finish chocobo racing and lightning dodging, but the drat butterflies are what stopped me from finishing the game. Need to grab the remake one of these days.
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May 23, 2017 01:21
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Luckily no one uses Kimahri and there aren't any trophies/achievements tied to the butterfly minigame
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May 23, 2017 01:23
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Fortunately the best characters in the game are the ones with the easiest to acquire celestial weapons (Auron, Yuna, Rikku).
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Cinnamon Bear posted:Fortunately the best characters in the game are the ones with the easiest to acquire celestial weapons (Auron, Yuna, Rikku). do you mean like combat wise or personality wise because auron is only barely above kimahri
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May 23, 2017 02:04
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The White Dragon posted:do you mean like combat wise or personality wise because auron is only barely above kimahri Fashion sense
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The White Dragon posted:do you mean like combat wise or personality wise because auron is only barely above kimahri style counts
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May 23, 2017 02:09
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Auron is a drunk old man who travels between worlds and bosses an awkward teenager around. He's the Rick Sanchez of Spira.
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May 23, 2017 02:16
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Fister Roboto posted:Auron is a drunk old man who travels between worlds and bosses an awkward teenager around. He's the Rick Sanchez of Spira. Jesus, way to make me long for the FFX I can never have.
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May 23, 2017 02:32
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This was the first post I saw clicking on this thread today and I thought I was in GBS.
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The White Dragon posted:do you mean like combat wise or personality wise because auron is only barely above kimahri Kimahri small ronso
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May 23, 2017 14:06
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Kimahri probably isn't even real. Why else would have the same voice as Wakka but simultaneously have so little role in the story?
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May 23, 2017 14:32
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I like Kimahri
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Now that we have more detail on how the FFXII remaster's dual-job system works I actually don't think it's going to affect the game's difficulty all that much. It gives each character a wider range of abilities but doesn't actually increase anyone's power. And the type of armor you wear matters a whole lot--sure, you could make a Knight/Black Mage or something, but you're either going to have to wear heavy armor and have lovely Magick or wear mystic armor and have lovely Strength. The one thing is that some jobs just don't need a sub-job at all and/or can't really take advantage of many sub-job's abilities, so you might as well just pick a sub-job that gives you useful equipment options. For example, all of the light armor classes: with the exception of Machinist, they use Strength for their attacks and are pretty self-sufficient as far as what licenses they have, so you might as well sub Knight or, better, Time Battlemage on them so they can wear heavy armor and have a Strength bonus. And unless they rebalanced guns, Machinist probably isn't going to be a standout job no matter what sub-job you give it except in Weak Mode. Now that you can sub Time Battlemage on anything, its ability to learn Hastega is worth even less. Not like it was ever a particularly hard game to begin with, of course, but the fact that you can't double up on Battle and Magick Lores, and that the type of armor you wear is still really important to what you're good at, will probably help prevent sub-jobs from breaking the game in half all on their own. That said, it's going to be harder to come up with reasons to use more than three characters for the whole game once everybody joins. In IZJS on the PS2, spreading out abilities encouraged me, at least, to use all six characters and rotate them around. Now I can pretty easily craft a party of three with every ability I can dream of. I'll probably still rotate the characters because I want to use all of them, but that's just me. Eh, that's probably a good thing, I guess. I know some people would find it tedious to need to keep all six characters leveled up and equipped.
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May 23, 2017 15:15
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What exactly makes two jobs more powerful than vanilla which basically let you use everything
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Tae posted:What exactly makes two jobs more powerful than vanilla which basically let you use everything Yeah, that's a thing I didn't get seeing all the posts before about how "letting you use TWO classes will be way too broken and overpowered!" when vanilla let you use Everything All The Time Forever. The real things that affect the difficulty was all already in IZJS anyway, like adjusted damage caps, gimmicky modes that remove EXP, changing when and where you get equipment etc. etc.
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Tae posted:What exactly makes two jobs more powerful than vanilla which basically let you use everything It doesn't. I'm just comparing it to IZJS specifically. That said, my point is that it also doesn't really make you any more powerful. IZJS already let you make a really self-sufficient and strong party of three, especially if you were willing to farm Hastega Motes in the late game. This just makes it easier to do that, which is fine, and also makes Time Mage not suck to use, which is even better. The only reason it might have is if you got all the Battle and Magick Lores from each job, which would give you a huge boost in stats early on, but since you can't do that, there's no real jump in power at all.
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May 23, 2017 15:35
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Where's the new info about the dual-classing? No luck with Google.
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May 23, 2017 16:39
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IZJS has custom boards so while you couldnt be as versatile as vanilla 12, you were much better at the specific things the class did of an equivalent vanilla character which is why the game was still easy and beatable.
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Barudak posted:IZJS has custom boards so while you couldnt be as versatile as vanilla 12, you were much better at the specific things the class did of an equivalent vanilla character which is why the game was still easy and beatable. I think he's askinf specifically about dual-classing, not the difference between vanilla and IZJS. I'm curious as well.
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Mega64 posted:Where's the new info about the dual-classing? No luck with Google. Your google-fu is weak http://www.rpgsite.net/news/5513-final-fantasy-xii-the-zodiac-age-screenshots
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Mega64 posted:Where's the new info about the dual-classing? No luck with Google. Mostly in videos--just look for any FFXII Zodiac Age video released within the last week or two. The dual jobs work like this:
 Tae posted:Your google-fu is weak That's old information and doesn't include the new "how it actually works" stuff we've found out pretty recently. Harrow fucked around with this message at 17:13 on May 23, 2017 |
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May 23, 2017 16:56
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Harrow posted:Now that we have more detail on how the FFXII remaster's dual-job system works I actually don't think it's going to affect the game's difficulty all that much. It gives each character a wider range of abilities but doesn't actually increase anyone's power. And the type of armor you wear matters a whole lot--sure, you could make a Knight/Black Mage or something, but you're either going to have to wear heavy armor and have lovely Magick or wear mystic armor and have lovely Strength. Eh, pretty sure the mid-late game balance is going to be completely hosed. Everyone with 3/3 Swiftness, heavy armor for light armor jobs, elemental boosting armor combined with elemental weapons (Yagyu Darkblade, Excalibur). Individually each isn't a big deal but everything at once is a serious increase in output. I've done the equivalent of two-jobbing IZJS via savegame editing and, other than certain bosses with palings, everything was a pushover.
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corn in the bible posted:I like Kimahri I will fight you.
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Corvinus posted:Eh, pretty sure the mid-late game balance is going to be completely hosed. Everyone with 3/3 Swiftness, heavy armor for light armor jobs, elemental boosting armor combined with elemental weapons (Yagyu Darkblade, Excalibur). Individually each isn't a big deal but everything at once is a serious increase in output. I've done the equivalent of two-jobbing IZJS via savegame editing and, other than certain bosses with palings, everything was a pushover. Aha, I forgot about the two Potency armors. Shikari and Knight subbed with a mystic armor job can probably do terrible things with Yagyu Darkblade + Black Robe and Excalibur + White Robe. poo poo, now that I know that my whole "make Balthier a Shikari/Time Battlemage" idea doesn't seem so smart. I liked the idea of a fast, versatile melee fighter who can cast Haste/Hastega (and with access to heavy armor) but the late-game holy poo poo power of a +50% damage Yagyu Darkblade is tough to pass up. Still, that'd only really come in at the tail end of the game, and having heavy armor throughout is probably better in general.
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There's also Dark Shot + Black Robes, which keeps a Machinist competitive and does horrible things to Yiazmat. Burning Bow + Ardor + oil is something I didn't try but probably shits on everything not resistant/immune to fire.
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Harrow posted:Mostly in videos--just look for any FFXII Zodiac Age video released within the last week or two. So what are the best job combos for each character?
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Corvinus posted:There's also Dark Shot + Black Robes, which keeps a Machinist competitive and does horrible things to Yiazmat. Burning Bow + Ardor + oil is something I didn't try but probably shits on everything not resistant/immune to fire. What would Burning Bow give to Ardor (or vice-versa)? I was just thinking Flame Staff + Ardor + oil. Burning Bow just adds a fire effect, right? Not Potency? fridge corn posted:So what are the best job combos for each character? Character doesn't really matter. They do have stat differences but the stats you'll get from armor and licenses make up for any shortcomings in the long run. I guess it's worth noting that Balthier and Fran have the slowest animations with ranged weapons of anyone, so they're weirdly the worst at their own "iconic" jobs, but even then, animation differences are pretty minor and not at all a huge deal. Other characters have faster/slower animations with certain weapon types and you can easily find debates online about how much that matters, but the difference in DPS is small enough that it is absolutely not worth planning your party around. I'm not really sure what good job combos are in general, though. My plan right now is just to combine things for versatility and cool factor, rather than crazy endgame effectiveness. Though Corvinus is pointing out some great possible endgame combinations to just melt things. For example, Black Mage/Red Battlemage (or vice-versa) seems like a redundant combination, but it's the only way to equip the Flame Staff and cast Ardor. Ardor is an extremely powerful Red Battlemage-only spell that does fire damage and the Flame Staff (a Black Mage-only weapon) boosts all fire damage you do by 50%. Then there's the Oil status effect, which boosts fire damage the target takes. Anything that doesn't resist fire is going to melt--it's easily the most damage you can do with a single spell, maybe barring Reflect shenanigans. Or give a Knight or Shikari a sub-job that lets them use mystic armor. When they get their elemental weapons (Excalibur for the Knight, Yagyu Darkblade for the Shikari), have them wear the robe that boosts that kind of damage for +50% damage on all their already-crazy-strong physical attacks.
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I'm not sure what the deal was with Kihmari. I couldn't tell if the developers either forgot to expand his board, or intended to make him more of a wild card character that you choose what kind of fighter you wanted him to be, albeit he'd always be behind the main character. Either way he's probably one of the worst characters in any FF game.
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IIRC they made some changes to Khimari's sphere grid placement in the international version so that he had better access to other character spheres. Also some of the harder bosses and monster arena encounters are subject to various Lancet gimmicks. Still not as useless as Amarant.
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My own plans for Zodiac Age jobs include splitting the party of six into two self-sufficient teams that I can swap between however I want to. I'll probably have someone sub Time Battlemage on each just for easy Haste/Hastega access, probably on a job that doesn't benefit a whole lot from any particular sub-job. I was originally going to make Ashe a Black Mage/Foebreaker because the break techs don't rely on stats and I figured it'd make a decent combo with Black Mage. But I also plan to have an Archer and a Monk, which covers all four breaks, and having her go Black Mage/Red Battlemage means I can do Flame Rod + Oil + Ardor and that sounds way more fun. And I wasn't going to use a Knight at all, but White Robe + Excalibur also sounds like a lot of fun. I think I was going to have Basch maybe be a Bushi (Samurai)/White Mage--use that high Bushi magick stat to heal when he isn't carving things up. Plus, the whole samurai devotion to a lord thing fits Basch pretty well. But Knight/White Mage might be fun for White Robe + Excalibur in the endgame, though the lower magick score and MP might make it tougher for him to contribute as an actual healer before then. I can make up for that by having him basically always wear one piece of mystic armor maybe--he has high enough natural Strength that he can take the hit--although the White Mage's Magick Lores and the Inquisitor license will definitely help, too. Harrow fucked around with this message at 18:25 on May 23, 2017 |
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Harrow posted:What would Burning Bow give to Ardor (or vice-versa)? I was just thinking Flame Staff + Ardor + oil. Burning Bow just adds a fire effect, right? Not Potency? IZJS puts the Fire element on the arrows, and the bow itself gets fire potency.
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Corvinus posted:IZJS puts the Fire element on the arrows, and the bow itself gets fire potency. Aha, got it. So basically the same as Flame Rod only your auto-attacks can also take advantage of the Potency and Oil.
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exquisite tea posted:IIRC they made some changes to Khimari's sphere grid placement in the international version so that he had better access to other character spheres. Also some of the harder bosses and monster arena encounters are subject to various Lancet gimmicks. Still not as useless as Amarant. but I actually used Amarant sometimes when I didn't have to
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This game will be a breeze, but I've still been planning the hell out of my first run of Zodiac Age. I realized that License Boards "share" unlocked nodes so you can't take White Mage and Black Mage and get 20+ Magic Lores. On the other hand, this can lead to some interesting tricks where you access Esper/Quickening-locked licenses without expending such. For example you might only get 2 Swiftness licenses (30, 50) on Uhlan, but if you took a Monk as a subclass, you have access to the third Swiftness license (80) behind the Ultima Esper without having to use it for that character. You can also factor in initial abilities. Every character starts with a few starting abilities that are already learned despite which Job they take. Vaan, Balthier, and Fran all start with Steal so if they take Black Mage they have access to Poach without having to use Zalera. fridge corn posted:So what are the best job combos for each character? Apparently Zodiac Age is going to be "rebalanced" from IZJS. I don't know for sure but I wonder if character stats are going to be changed. Like Harrow said it doesn't make that much of difference in the end but it's information I'd like to know.
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The best thing they could do is get rid of the 99 stat cap, because that results in a lot weird things like Basch being a bad knight because he ends up with a lot of wasted strength.
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Fister Roboto posted:The best thing they could do is get rid of the 99 stat cap, because that results in a lot weird things like Basch being a bad knight because he ends up with a lot of wasted strength. I wouldn't think that would make him "bad," just "maxed out before everyone else," which is kind of a good thing. I mean, a lot of game happens before you hit the stat cap, so if a character's better than everyone else until that point and then just "as good, but all those Battle Lores are going to waste" after, doesn't that mean the character is great at that job? One of my favorite little quirks is how animation speed factors into whether Basch or Ashe is the best Samurai. Looking at stats, you'd think that Ashe must be the best Samurai: she can hit 99 Strength and Magick before anyone else and without having to give up on wearing the Genji equipment. But her combo swings are also slower than Basch's--enough so that, even without 99 Strength and Magick, Basch can outdamage her. The difference isn't that big and certainly not big enough to plan your party around, but I like the way it spits in the face of the conventional "make Ashe a Samurai" advice. And just like with Basch hitting the Strength cap before anyone else, it's also something that just doesn't really matter until endgame--Ashe is probably going to do more damage with katanas than Basch for most of the game, because you're not going to consistently combo until endgame and postgame. I may have spent too much time reading "which character is the best at each job" things a couple years ago.
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Bad in comparison, because a character who doesn't overcap so hard would be better.
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I guess I'm just not understanding why. Just because a character like Ashe or Penelo can also eventually hit the Strength cap but also have higher Magick and get more out of the Knight's healing spells, or what?
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