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spacetoaster: Feb 10, 2014

FactsAreUseless posted:

He won the election.

Another victory for GBS.

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The Landstander: Apr 20, 2004; I stand on land.

DrPlump posted:

It is a complete minstrel show that only exist because why people offer meager funding towards it. Reformist Islam has no mainstream support from any Muslim nation. Meanwhile the Saudis are funding all sorts of cut off their clits extremist groups all over the world.

See, I got DrPlump and Agag to agree on something, I should get some kind of a prize.

# ? May 23, 2017 22:32

Luxury Communism: Aug 22, 2015; by Lowtax

FactsAreUseless posted:

He won the election, not the popular vote. That matters if you're saying that Trump (or Clinton) represents the "average American." America is very divided, and while it's not quite 50/50 on every issue, it's drat close.

Just lol if anyone is saying that Trump or Clinton meaningfully represent the average American except in the lovely vacuous meme issues the media forces upon us all.

spacetoaster posted:

Another victory for GBS.

lmao

# ? May 23, 2017 22:33

Snatch Duster: Feb 20, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

spacetoaster posted:

Another victory for GBS.

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hohhat: Sep 25, 2014

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

the left is detached from reality but the main reason i don't think (conservative sunni) islamic/islamist ideology should be terminated is because it's war i think you'll probably lose. better to encourage non-violent forms of islamism. but that's not that different or more conservative than mormons in utah, and mormonism is similar to islam in a lot of ways.

islamism is responding to failure of secular systems to accommodate islamist political participation. keep in mind that secular arab regimes have dished out extreme amounts of violence against non-violent islamist movements like the muslim brotherhood -- to the point of massacring them in egypt after the military coup.

What makes you think the West could do any of these things, or influence Islam in any predicable way? It seems like all we can do is kill people and see if that helps. (It doesn't seem to help)

The Landstander posted:

Well, at least we're getting somewhere. Do you think their stated beliefs are sincere, or are they just putting on a show for white people?

I honestly don't know who is sincere anymore. These days what's the difference?

The fact that all of the people I'm thinking of live in the West, write and speak in English, and pal around with Harris and Maher suggests their work is entirely for a Western atheist audience.

# ? May 23, 2017 22:33

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Luxury Communism posted:

Actually, I think "Islam: At least we aren't the Mormons" could be a very effective branding strategy.

if you were just going by the text, the book of mormon is warhammer 40,000. jesus comes back and he's pissed. the good guys do a lot of smiting.

but the real similarity between them is how mormonism and islam relate to political power: joseph smith wanted to form a state. commenters at the time referred to smith as a "modern mahomet," because smith like muhammad were both visited by angels. they both added new books to the bible. they both reject the trinity. they're conservative in dress. and in the early days of mormonism they clashed with the U.S. government and massacred people, and got massacred themselves.

DrPlump posted:

It is a complete minstrel show that only exist because why people offer meager funding towards it. Reformist Islam has no mainstream support from any Muslim nation. Meanwhile the Saudis are funding all sorts of cut off their clits extremist groups all over the world.

you're correct -- reformist islam does not if you mean maajid nawaz's kind of islam. but violent salafi jihadism doesn't have mainstream support from any muslim nation. but those are not the only two options. there are non-violent conservative forms of islamism that have more support -- and that's ultimately where i think the future is.

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Guy Goodbody: Aug 31, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

Snatch Duster posted:

Ben calculated 630,050,000 radical Muslims out of 1.6 billion. His calculations came from research by Pews, WHO, etc not some Breitbart bullshit. You want to have a semantical argument over what "radical Islam" is.

If you do not condemn terrorist organizations, you support them. 630 million Muslims around the world support terrorist organization like Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Boko Harem.

Do you condemn ALL of those organizations FacstAreUseless?

Do you really have no response the the fact that Ben Shapiro is 5' 4"?

# ? May 23, 2017 22:34

Snatch Duster: Feb 20, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

Agag posted:

What makes you think the West could do any of these things, or influence Islam in any predicable way? It seems like all we can do is kill people and see if that helps. (It doesn't seem to help)

I honestly don't know who is sincere anymore. These days what's the difference?

The fact that all of the people I'm thinking of live in the West, write and speak in English, and pal around with Harris and Maher suggests their work is entirely for a Western atheist audience.

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spacetoaster: Feb 10, 2014

Luxury Communism posted:

Just lol if anyone is saying that Trump or Clinton meaningfully represent the average American except in the lovely vacuous meme issues the media forces upon us all.

lmao

Clinton seems to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M1uDcqkWVE

# ? May 23, 2017 22:34

DrPlump: Oct 5, 2004; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

FactsAreUseless posted:

You need to find better sources of information before you believe things. People who verify facts. Real experts, scholars, journalists. People who research poo poo. Not conservative radio hosts parroting what they read in a blog.

P.S. The argument doesn't hold water anyway. There are billions of Muslims on the planet. If a majority of them, even a more significant minority, were radicalized, that would be reflected. Look at what Japan did with just a radicalized government and some propaganda, for instance. Yet there are none of these "majority radical" Muslim nations fighting to the death for Islam. Imagine if there were actually a billion people in the world willing to violently kill themselves in suicide attacks for their religion. Think about what that world is like. You can look at the world. You can look at Muslim families, communities, cities, and see that this isn't happening. And that's just the most obvious counter-argument. It doesn't even get into how much Shapiro's stats aren't backed up.

You see this happen in every argument on both sides now. Look at the Republican flip on whether we should act militarily in Syria. People just want to be on the same side as the people they like, and opposed to the people they don't. Big shocker, the average person doesn't think about politics that much.

The lack of a global muslim caliphate is not from lack of trying but rather sheer incompetence. The same idiocy that drives their religious extremism is present at every level of government and milliary.

http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars

Check out this article it is a great read from a general that participated in the first gulf war outlining all the fundamental flaws armies from Arab nations have.

# ? May 23, 2017 22:34

Guy Goodbody: Aug 31, 2016; by Nyc_Tattoo

Snatch Duster thinks it's really important that we all interact with an argument put forward by a toy-sized man

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hohhat: Sep 25, 2014

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Mormons have worked very hard to recruit other races to shake this image. They'll straight up pay you to convert. This is in part because of their unfortunate history re: black people.

Islam has lots of converts too but it is at its core an Arab religion and Arabic is at the heart of the religion

The overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't Arab. Mormons are white AF though.

# ? May 23, 2017 22:34

Blue Train: Jun 17, 2012

DrPlump posted:

For years liberals were pushing America towards becoming an atheist nation. Even today non-religion makes up the majority of the population. When the lefts support for Islam started getting mainstream they still kept the hatred for Christians around. It seems super hypocritical because the exact same view is good or bad depending on which group holds it. Meanwhile the United States was founded by Christians who practiced non-persecution. It is only because they allowed non-believers to live among them that atheism found a place to grow and prosper.

You do not have to be islamic to dislike hijabs. Some people think any kind of ritual based on false beliefs is a waste of time especially when it can oppress women as a result. Women in islamic countries wear them because a crowd will stone them to death for not wearing it. They only leave the house with a male escort because they will be savagely raped if found alone.

This terrorist attack has the express purpose of stopping women from gathering in public for unapproved activities like singing and dancing. Much like the sexual assaults in cologne they inspire fear in women. Then you see suggestions from the left that women bring a male escort with them when out in public...

Hijabs own and are sexy af tho?

# ? May 23, 2017 22:34

Snatch Duster: Feb 20, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

Blue Train posted:

Hijabs own and are sexy af tho?

look at this cuck

# ? May 23, 2017 22:35

hohhat: Sep 25, 2014

walgreenslatino posted:

Only reason I'm not jumping to conclusions. British people absolutely love dying in stadiums, they can't get enough of it

Hey man that's just their culture.

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FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

DrPlump posted:

One guy says "there is no such thing as god idiot" then he draws mocking images of every religion in order to illustrate his point. A Muslim comes along and kills him for the drawing.

When did the left decide the person flipping out over an imaginary skygod had a legitimate grievance?

"The left" doesn't think this. Some people think that people shouldn't deliberately offend others. I disagree, and so do plenty of other lefty nuts like me - lots of us are strongly pro-free speech. I also think this doesn't justify anti-Muslim ideology.

Snatch Duster posted:

Ben calculated 630,050,000 radical Muslims out of 1.6 billion. His calculations came from research by Pews, WHO, etc not some Breitbart bullshit. You want to have a semantical argument over what "radical Islam" is.

If you do not condemn terrorist organizations, you support them. 630 million Muslims around the world support terrorist organization like Al Qaeda, ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Boko Harem.

Do you condemn ALL of those organizations FacstAreUseless?

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/nov/05/ben-shapiro/shapiro-says-majority-muslims-are-radicals/

quote:

Shapiro then made similar extrapolations using polling data for a number of other countries, often measuring support for Sharia law -- codes of behavior in Islam. Then Shapiro summed up and applied the percentage of "radicalized Muslims" from the 15 nations to a number of other Muslim-majority countries and, with 1.6 billion Muslims worldwide, reached a shocking conclusion.

"We�re above 800 million Muslims radicalized, more than half the Muslims on Earth," Shapiro said. "That�s not a minority. That�s now a majority."

Shapiro spoke with great self-assurance, but as we looked at his claim that most Muslims are radicals, we were left scratching our heads. In the first place, Shapiro consistently used the highest percentages available in the surveys to maximize the number of Muslims he could tag with the "radical" label. Secondly, he used a broad definition of radical. To choose one main example, there are many varieties of how people interpret Sharia law and support for it says little about a person�s specific beliefs.

quote:

In about half of the countries he assessed, Shapiro focused on support for Sharia law. According to the Council on Foreign Relations, "Sharia guides all aspects of Muslim life, including daily routines, familial and religious obligations, and financial dealings." It is a moral code that covers marriage, crime and business. Different branches of Islam use different versions of the law. Some elements are widely accepted, such as the immorality of fraud. But for countries and sects that follow the harshest versions in which thieves have their hands cut off and unfaithful women are stoned to death, the opposition from the West, and parts of the Muslim world as well, is strong and visceral.

So basically Shapiro found "statistics" that said "Muslims support the teachings of Islam" and then said "therefore, they're radicals, because Islam is radical."

quote:

Even if you believe Shapiro, it doesn�t mean that attitudes towards terrorism are irrelevant. Pew asked Muslims if they supported suicide bombings against civilians. In Pakistan, 13 percent of Muslims said such attacks in defense of Islam could often or sometimes be justified.

quote:

The following table shows how using reasonable alternative measures of radicalism, Shapiro�s majority can become a distinct minority. You can see how Shapiro reached his totals by watching the video.

Country

Population (millions)

Radical total (Shapiro, millions)

Alternative pct.

Alternative total (millions)

Indonesia

205

143

Pew: 7% say suicide bombing can sometimes be justified.

14.4

Egypt

80

55.2

Pew: 29% say suicide bombing can sometimes be justified.

23.2

Pakistan

179

135.4

Pew: 13% say suicide bombing can sometimes be justified.

23.3

Bangladesh

149

121.9

Pew: 26% say suicide bombing can sometimes be justified.

38.7

Nigeria

75.7

53.7

Pew: 22% say suicide bombing can sometimes be justified.

16.7

Iran

74.8

62.1

ICP/Charney: 47% would abolish the morality police.

35.2

Turkey

74.7

23.9

Pew: 15% say suicide bombing can sometimes be justified.

11.2

Morocco

32.4

24.6

Pew: 9% say suicide bombing can sometimes be justified.

2.9

Iraq

31.1

24.3

Pew: 7% say suicide bombing can sometimes be justified.

2.2

Afghanistan

24

24

Pew: 39% say suicide bombing can sometimes be justified.

9.4

Jordan

6.4

3.8

Pew: 15% say suicide bombing can sometimes be justified.

1

Palestinian

areas

4.3

3.83

Pew: 40% say suicide bombing can sometimes be justified.

1.7

France

4.7

1.6

No alternate used

1.6

Great Britain

2.8

2.2

Manchester Policy: 2% expressed some support for terrorism.

0.06

United States

2.6

0.5

Pew: In 2009, 8% said suicide bombings could sometimes be justified.

0.2

Total

946.5

680.03

181.76

Percent of total

72%

19%

To be clear, we�re not saying there are 181 million radical Muslims. We�re simply saying by applying different but reasonable criteria to the same data, you can reach a vastly different result.

Hmmm... you mean statistics can be manipulated? Really? Golly gosh!

Basically, you're parroting dumb shallow arguments and then shouting YOU SUPPORT TERRORISM, so maybe you don't actually have an argument to make.

quote:

Maria Sobolewska, a lecturer in quantitative methods and politics at the University of Manchester, England, studied polls in that country in the wake of the 2005 bus and subway bombings. Sobolewska found enormous variation in Muslim responses depending on small changes in the wording of questions.

"What we receive as a true picture of what Muslims think is mostly an artifact of what they get asked," Sobolewska wrote.

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Fog Tripper: Mar 3, 2008; by Smythe

Agag posted:

The overwhelming majority of Muslims aren't Arab. Mormons are white AF though.

LOL, do you know even one, you loving ginger living in our hat?

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OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

God is Great

# ? May 23, 2017 22:37

Snatch Duster: Feb 20, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

that is a lot of words for not saying "I condemn islamic terrorist organizations" Facts Are Useless.

EDIT: Also, ISIS is using sharia law in their controlled areas. You know, chopping off heads of children because they drank a soda. or stoning women because a stranger touch them.

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spacetoaster: Feb 10, 2014

Guy Goodbody posted:

Snatch Duster thinks it's really important that we all interact with an argument put forward by a toy-sized man

Here's MY rebuttal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5cgzXpZMZU

# ? May 23, 2017 22:38

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

DrPlump posted:

Check out this article it is a great read from a general that participated in the first gulf war outlining all the fundamental flaws armies from Arab nations have.

Arab armies being flawed doesn't prove that all Muslim nations are trying to create a global caliphate. Further, from the article:

quote:

In terms of safety measures, there is a general laxness, a seeming carelessness and indifference to training accidents, many of which could have been prevented by minimal efforts. To the (perhaps overly) safety-conscious Americans, Arab societies appear indifferent to casualties and show a seemingly lackadaisical approach to training safety. There are a number of explanations for this. Some would point to the inherent fatalism within Islam,32 and certainly anyone who has spent considerable time in Arab taxis would lend credence to that theory, but perhaps the reason is less religiously based and more a result of political culture. As any military veteran knows, the ethos of a unit is set at the top; or, as the old saying has it, units do those things well that the boss cares about. When the top political leadership displays a complete lack of concern for the welfare of its soldiers, such attitudes percolate down through the ranks. Exhibit A was the betrayal of Syrian troops fighting Israel in the Golan in 1967: having withdrawn its elite units, the Syrian government knowingly broadcast the falsehood that Israeli troops had captured the town of Kuneitra, which would have put them behind the largely conscript Syrian army still in position. The leadership took this step to pressure the great powers to impose a truce, though it led to a panic by the Syrian troops and the loss of the Golan Heights.33

This is the only mention of Islam besides a mention of "Arab armies of the early Islamic era."

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Blue Train: Jun 17, 2012

Snatch Duster posted:

look at this cuck

# ? May 23, 2017 22:40

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

Snatch Duster posted:

that is a lot of words for not saying "I condemn islamic terrorist organizations" Facts Are Useless.

EDIT: Also, ISIS is using sharia law in their controlled areas. You know, chopping off heads of children because they drank a soda. or stoning women because a stranger touch them.

# ? May 23, 2017 22:40

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

I realize that guy's a troll, btw, I just figure the occasional lurker should at least see a counterargument. Then we can all safely go back to our original political bubbles.

# ? May 23, 2017 22:40

Snatch Duster: Feb 20, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

Why won't you condemn islamic terrorist organizations?

That seems pretty weird.

# ? May 23, 2017 22:41

OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

Guy Goodbody posted:

Snatch Duster thinks it's really important that we all interact with an argument put forward by a toy-sized man

Apparently the mods do as well

# ? May 23, 2017 22:41

Luxury Communism: Aug 22, 2015; by Lowtax

Prove to me that Muslims are an equal per-capita threat risk or explain why profiling immigration candidates is unethical.

# ? May 23, 2017 22:41

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

I'll put on my Rachel Maddow tapes (I prefer to watch 'classic' episodes, rather than her newer material) and you guys can watch Rush Limbaugh Meets The Wolfman.

# ? May 23, 2017 22:41

OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

To be fair, I stopped reading as soon as I got to "Shapiro"

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hohhat: Sep 25, 2014

Fog Tripper posted:

LOL, do you know even one, you loving ginger living in our hat?

Mormons? Hell no.

Snatch Duster posted:

that is a lot of words for not saying "I condemn islamic terrorist organizations" Facts Are Useless.

Some aren't even terrorist organizations. They are militias fighting over some local political beef, like Hezbollah. Sometimes they even try to call BDS "terrorist" and "anti-semitic." Because not buying Sabra hummus is as bad as blowing people up in a stadium.

Anyway conservatives don't really care about this poo poo. They are just used to smacking around libs and getting them to say the magic words they want. Softens em up for "entitlement reform" later.

# ? May 23, 2017 22:41

FactsAreUseless: Feb 16, 2011

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

To be fair, I stopped reading as soon as I got to "Shapiro"

Somebody make this man the President!

# ? May 23, 2017 22:42

revmoo: May 25, 2006; #basta

Lol FAU you have almost completed a full 24 hours of posting in here. Maybe go for a walk, eat, catch up on your sleep?

# ? May 23, 2017 22:43

Fog Tripper: Mar 3, 2008; by Smythe

Snatch Duster posted:

Why won't you condemn islamic terrorist organizations?

That seems pretty weird.

Wondering why this is not being answered as well. Uncomfortable.

# ? May 23, 2017 22:43

OXBALLS DOT COM: Sep 11, 2005; by FactsAreUseless; Young Orc

revmoo posted:

Lol FAU you have almost completed a full 24 hours of posting in here. Maybe go for a walk, eat, catch up on your sleep?

I think it's good to have at least one mod who is actuallys een interacting with the community

# ? May 23, 2017 22:43

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007; Can't post for 2 hours!

revmoo posted:

Lol FAU you have almost completed a full 24 hours of posting in here. Maybe go for a walk, eat, catch up on your sleep?

That's the dumbest poo poo I ever heard. :justpost:

# ? May 23, 2017 22:43

Luxury Communism: Aug 22, 2015; by Lowtax

I feel bad for anyone that isn't having enjoyable discussion itt and is only here out of some sense of political obligation. FAU has an excuse though he gets that shiny red star next to his name.

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sharknado slashfic: Jun 24, 2011

Photex posted:

TBS sounds like he's playing the Mexican guy from Generation Kill, next he's going to say he graduated college but didn't accept the piece of paper from the white man then joined the marines.

Thank you, I'm about 6 hours behind and it was bothering me that no one had brought that up yet.

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Blue Train: Jun 17, 2012

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

I think it's good to have at least one mod who is actuallys een interacting with the community

I like smythe

# ? May 23, 2017 22:45

The Fuzzy Hulk: Nov 22, 2007; ASK ME ABOUT CROSSING THE STREAMS

FactsAreUseless posted:

Maria Sobolewska, a lecturer in quantitative methods and politics at the University of Manchester, England, studied polls in that country in the wake of the 2005 bus and subway bombings. Sobolewska found enormous variation in Muslim responses depending on small changes in the wording of questions.

"What we receive as a true picture of what Muslims think is mostly an artifact of what they get asked," Sobolewska wrote.

Maria Sobolewska looks way better blonde.

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Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007; Can't post for 2 hours!

Luxury Communism posted:

FAU has an excuse though he gets that shiny red star next to his name.

Premier FAU

# ? May 23, 2017 22:45

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