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The Alberta oil problem will solve itself over the next decade once they realize no one wants to buy it. Building pipelines doesn't create markets.
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The Butcher posted:The one big thing I always see proponents conveniently ignoring in the threefold increase in tanker traffic it would create. how about not. no amount of money makes it worthwhile
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May 24, 2017 01:55
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So long as plastic is used as a common building material, the oil sands are going nowhere.
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May 24, 2017 01:56
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the us vs them mentality with this stuff is real bizarre to me. you know you can move anywhere in Canada you want, and we all contribute a huge chunk of our taxes to the same place, right?
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May 24, 2017 01:57
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berenzen posted:So long as plastic is used as a common building material, the oil sands are going nowhere. Alberta oil is already shutting down, a pipeline will change things in the short term but wont affect the declining price and demand.
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May 24, 2017 01:57
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berenzen posted:If every economic decision was made on purely environmental arguments, the vast majority of the Canadian economy wouldn't exist. Something like 89% of our economy is based off of natural resources- each of which has incredibly negative impacts on the environment. Okay, fine, give BC a significant chunk of your profits from it then. We are shouldering an enormous risk, loving pay us enormous barrels of money. I don't give a poo poo about your dumb hick province or your "economic recovery".
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May 24, 2017 01:59
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I have no issues with that, but that's between your government and mine, and is on your government to open negotiations.
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May 24, 2017 02:00
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berenzen posted:If every economic decision was made on purely environmental arguments, the vast majority of the Canadian economy wouldn't exist. Something like 89% of our economy is based off of natural resources- each of which has incredibly negative impacts on the environment. why should BC want Alberta's pipeline?
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May 24, 2017 02:04
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 NDP NOW AHEAD BY 101 IN COMOX The Liberals' provincewide popular vote margin has shrunk from 17,000 yesterday to just 2,612. Counting still in progress.
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May 24, 2017 02:05
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berenzen posted:If every economic decision was made on purely environmental arguments, the vast majority of the Canadian economy wouldn't exist. Something like 89% of our economy is based off of natural resources- each of which has incredibly negative impacts on the environment. well it's good that we've done such a good job ignoring environmental arguments because now the world is cooking to death. but maybe we can sneak in one more pipeline before things start getting really bad.
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May 24, 2017 02:05
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THC posted:NDP is now ahead by 101 votes in Courtenay-Comox at latest count. The Liberals' provincewide popular vote margin has shrunk from 17,000 yesterday to just 2,612. Counting still in progress.  how's Richmond South - Queensborough looking?
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May 24, 2017 02:05
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JawKnee posted:
Liberals win by 134, counting is complete
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May 24, 2017 02:06
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I think it's realistic to assume a Liberal minority at this point. I think that makes an NDP/Green coalition somewhat likely?
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May 24, 2017 02:07
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Grimes posted:I think it's realistic to assume a Liberal minority at this point. I think that makes an NDP/Green coalition somewhat likely? assuming the Greens don't pal up with the libs - or stay separate as they then hold the balance of power for legislation they like/don't like
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May 24, 2017 02:08
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THC posted:Liberals win by 134, counting is complete bummer. I doubt absentee votes will swing false creek or Coquitlam - Burke
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May 24, 2017 02:09
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Grimes posted:I think it's realistic to assume a Liberal minority at this point. I think that makes an NDP/Green coalition somewhat likely? I thought the only thing the Greens were willing to work on with the NDP was voting reform, otherwise they were in the bag for the Liberals.
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May 24, 2017 02:10
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Weaver is a closet Liberal but his party won't be thrilled with him if he throws in with the Liberals.
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May 24, 2017 02:11
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THC posted:how about not. no amount of money makes it worthwhile Everyone has their price, THC. 
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May 24, 2017 02:12
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Minge Binge posted:well it's good that we've done such a good job ignoring environmental arguments because now the world is cooking to death. but maybe we can sneak in one more pipeline before things start getting really bad. I'd love to see the oil sands stop. However, there needs to be a replacement economy in place to make up the hundreds of billions of dollars that would disappear from the Alberta and Canadian economies. As a second order affect, the BC economy would likely be more taxed as greater economic redistribution would be placed on them.
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May 24, 2017 02:22
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berenzen posted:So long as plastic is used as a common building material, the oil sands are going nowhere. Friend, the VAST majority of oil is used for transportation. Plastic use is minimal.
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May 24, 2017 02:26
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A successful oil field and economic diversification are mutually exclusive goals.
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May 24, 2017 02:26
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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berenzen posted:As a second order affect, the BC economy would likely be more taxed as greater economic redistribution would be placed on them. I've tried reading this a bunch of times and still aren't sure what you're on about. Are you trying to connect this to equalization payments or something?
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May 24, 2017 02:30
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berenzen posted:I'd love to see the oil sands stop. However, there needs to be a replacement economy in place to make up the hundreds of billions of dollars that would disappear from the Alberta and Canadian economies. As a second order affect, the BC economy would likely be more taxed as greater economic redistribution would be placed on them. oil in alberta is dead barring some sort of technical breakthru that somehow only applies to the alberta oil sands. maybe you should learn to code
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May 24, 2017 02:30
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Jordan7hm posted:the us vs them mentality with this stuff is real bizarre to me. you know you can move anywhere in Canada you want, and we all contribute a huge chunk of our taxes to the same place, right? I don't want anywhere in Canada building an economy that relies on oil, and anywhere that has one should be transitioning away from it as soon as possible. We're likely already too late to avoid catastrophic climate change, and are now in the "actually trying to ensure climate change doesn't cause the end of human civilization as we know it" phase. Every pipeline, train, and tanker full of oil is another nail in our coffin so for the love of God, no, we should not be building more pipelines to lock Alberta's economy into several more decades of extracting some of the dirtiest oil on the planet. Every oil shock is an opportunity for us to wake up and move towards a sane foundation for our national economy, but instead we always double down saying that we need the oil to fuel Alberta's economic recovery. No, idiots, stop it with this loving moronic endless cycle of "can't stop the oil now, the price is too high" and "can't stop the oil now, the price is too low" while slowly in the background we all die.
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May 24, 2017 02:32
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the talent deficit posted:oil in alberta is dead barring some sort of technical breakthru that somehow only applies to the alberta oil sands. maybe you should learn to code The last thing the world needs is rig pigs turning into codebros. Teach them brain surgery or arthroscopy or how to grow weed or literally anything else.
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May 24, 2017 02:32
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berenzen posted:I'd love to see the oil sands stop. However, there needs to be a replacement economy in place to make up the hundreds of billions of dollars that would disappear from the Alberta and Canadian economies. As a second order affect, the BC economy would likely be more taxed as greater economic redistribution would be placed on them. given that the Oil Sands in alberta are not going to recover any time soon - the Middle-East OPEC nations have already ramped up production again, depressing prices again - Alberta will have no choice but to find another industry or be very hosed for a very long time - new pipeline or no
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May 24, 2017 02:33
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Can't Albertans just do what they've been telling everyone to do for the past 15 years? Move to where the jobs are. They whine about equalization payments when they're high on the hog and demand our help when things get tough.
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May 24, 2017 02:43
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No see we deserve special extensions on our EI because
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May 24, 2017 02:45
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Helped bust a bike thief / fence yesterday. Got hit by a car while riding my bike this morning. Deets are in the bike thread in YLLS. Now I'm looking for advice on how to best lobby for better law enforcement and infrastructure to protect riders and bikes from idiots with cars and assholes with bolt cutters. Do I write my MP? MPP? The premiers office? Buy a bullhorn and yell nonsense while standing in front of the Legislature? loving hell I just want to be left alone to do my own thing and everyone keeps ruining my loving calm.
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May 24, 2017 02:49
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Alberta isn't on equalization payments. Alberta will still survive if the pipeline fails. However, I can still express my desire to see something that would improve the economy of the province that I live in. But, for fucks sake, I don't work the rigs, so I don't know where you guys are getting the idea that I'm a rig pig. So you can gently caress right off with that jump in logic. I am a coder, and I'd like to see the burgeoning high-tech economy in Alberta actually be self-sustainable before oil sands are totally shut down.
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May 24, 2017 02:51
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vyelkin posted:I don't want anywhere in Canada building an economy that relies on oil, and anywhere that has one should be transitioning away from it as soon as possible. We're likely already too late to avoid catastrophic climate change, and are now in the "actually trying to ensure climate change doesn't cause the end of human civilization as we know it" phase. Every pipeline, train, and tanker full of oil is another nail in our coffin so for the love of God, no, we should not be building more pipelines to lock Alberta's economy into several more decades of extracting some of the dirtiest oil on the planet. Every oil shock is an opportunity for us to wake up and move towards a sane foundation for our national economy, but instead we always double down saying that we need the oil to fuel Alberta's economic recovery. No, idiots, stop it with this loving moronic endless cycle of "can't stop the oil now, the price is too high" and "can't stop the oil now, the price is too low" while slowly in the background we all die. Yeah I'm fine with this attitude (though I think a deliberate shift away from a resource based economy needs maybe a bit more thought). THC also said that. The rest of the people posting about it are talking about how the problem is that Alberta isn't taking the risk. it's dumb. Anyway we all know what will really fuel Alberta's economy is moving from an oil based economy to a water based economy.
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May 24, 2017 02:52
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Jordan7hm posted:Anyway we all know what will really fuel Alberta's economy is moving from an oil based economy to a water based economy. We don't have enough fresh water, Ontario would work better.
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May 24, 2017 02:53
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berenzen posted:Alberta isn't on equalization payments. Alberta will still survive if the pipeline fails. However, I can still express my desire to see something that would improve the economy of the province that I live in. Alberta will become a tech leader.. move over hoot suite. Discovery will probably do a series "cowboys of code"
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May 24, 2017 02:55
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Just go back to farming and tourism while the glaciers still exist.
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May 24, 2017 03:04
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Alberta should diversify into real estate, construction, and lending like the rest of the country.
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May 24, 2017 03:05
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Weird BIAS posted:Just go back to farming and tourism while the glaciers still exist. Yeah cuz that's what tourists are clamoring for. Glaciers e: woo it sure is cold this is great hooboy i sure like looking at this great big chunk of ice, gently caress yeah let's go back to the shack where we can have some beans and pray for heat. gently caress yeah this vacation is the best!!!!
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May 24, 2017 03:05
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Powershift posted:Alberta should diversify into real estate, construction, and lending like the rest of the country. Calgary needs a functioning real estate market first.
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May 24, 2017 03:07
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berenzen posted:But, for fucks sake, I don't work the rigs, so I don't know where you guys are getting the idea that I'm a rig pig. So you can gently caress right off with that jump in logic. I am a coder, and I'd like to see the burgeoning high-tech economy in Alberta actually be self-sustainable before oil sands are totally shut down. Yeah, that's not happening.
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May 24, 2017 03:08
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berenzen posted:Calgary needs a functioning real estate market first. Real Estate, let's entrust a large percentage of our economy to literally the stupidest motherfuckers to walk this earth.
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There's some good AI research happening in Alberta, but not much else afaict, and the research isn't spinning off companies to any large degree.
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