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Rageaholic Monkey posted:I like how neither the hooker nor the casino people thought him acting out of the ordinary was anything super abnormal, the hooker just thought he might've had a stroke and the casino people thought he was mentally disabled (the change lady even gave him a "bless his heart" expression when he walked away from her window). both prostitutes and casino workers often deal with drunk, high, and hosed up people
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eSporks posted:I'm not entirely convinced that Bob is even a who in the traditional sense. More just a representation of of the darkness inside us.Bob always felt like more of a force than an entity. I think this is also part of it. I always took BOB as being like the spiritual parasite equivalent of a hermit crab. He doesn't jut wear people's faces - he wears their personalities. There's so little of him that's human that he has to use parts of his host to pass as one of us.
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The problem with marathoning the original series to catch up is that I end up wanting doughnuts when it's 2am like it is now, and I have a fantastic 24 hour non-chain donut place nearby. 
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Lord Krangdar posted:Do you guys think the Cooper doppelganger in this season is meant to be BOB? So far it doesn't seem like it. Only the "How's Annie?" scene in the previous finale seems to suggest that (because of the mirror image), but everything else makes it seem like the doppelganger, not BOB, replaced Coop. The only other explanation I can think of is that BOB is simply sick of his endless hedonistic quest for garmanbozia, and its worn down his maniacal personality. Whether DoppelCoop is Bob is a good question. Being sort of a vigilante or something at times (not sure of the full big picture) makes him seem different from Bob, and there is some Coopishness to him at times. While the story he told Gordon and Albert about being deep undercover feels off, it doesn't feel outright untrue either. With Leland and Bob, it felt like Bob literally possessed Leland, and was another personality. Granted also being a metaphor or whathaveyou. This feels different. Maybe over twenty five years things have evolved, maybe Bob unleashed DoppelCoop and went off to another planet somewhere, who knows. Maybe the focus is off of the old Bob thing and onto new places. Though it being Bob would be cool with me as well. boner confessor posted:both prostitutes and casino workers often deal with drunk, high, and hosed up people To be fair, his wife also rolled with it in humorous fashion.
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May 24, 2017 07:00
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:I think this is also part of it. I always took BOB as being like the spiritual parasite equivalent of a hermit crab. He doesn't jut wear people's faces - he wears their personalities. There's so little of him that's human that he has to use parts of his host to pass as one of us. I always assumed he was a manifestation of Leland's memories of the neighbor Robert who, it was implied, abused him as a child. Like the cycle of abuse given form in the real world. Heavy Metal posted:With Leland and Bob, it felt like Bob literally possessed Leland, and was another personality. Granted also being a metaphor or whathaveyou. This feels different. In the show, yeah, but in the film it seemed more like he was in control and knew exactly what he was doing. He just gave into temptation.
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Just want to say that I really appreciate David Lynch including an incredibly super awkward scene where he puts a transgender woman in a senior position to his character and says that anyone who can't change their heart and accept her should leave. like it was probably the most awkward scene i've ever seen in any of david lynch's stuff, and the guy is a genius at writing awkward scenes. it was probably so awkward because it was pretty much just a direct address to the audience. but you know what? gently caress it. Thank you David Lynch for taking a scene of your television show to openly and firmly show your support for trans people. I appreciate it.
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Lord Krangdar posted:I always assumed he was a manifestation of Leland's memories of the neighbor Robert who, it was implied, abused him as a child. Like the cycle of abuse given form in the real world. I look at it sort of with the behind-the-scenes info in mind, of how Dave did it. We know he just saw the guy in the crew, that thing with him being in the mirror etc, and put him into the story, and rolled with that. So I don't know that there'd be such a normal logical answer to Bob and his appearance. Do we think of Mike as having stolen somebody's body/appearance? Been a bit, I forget if that was spelled out. We know Bob can possess people, and wanted to posses Laura, so I agree that kind of explanation does make sense. Just I don't know that Bob's origins would make sense.
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Cephas posted:Just want to say that I really appreciate David Lynch including an incredibly super awkward scene where he puts a transgender woman in a senior position to his character and says that anyone who can't change their heart and accept her should leave. Still pretty cringy because he belts out Denise's dead name at least twice. That poo poo hurts.
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Heavy Metal posted:I look at it sort of with the behind-the-scenes info in mind, of how Dave did it. We know he just saw the guy in the crew, that thing with him being in the mirror etc, and put him into the story, and rolled with that. So I don't know that there'd be such a normal logical answer to Bob and his appearance. I don't really see how that changes anything. Heavy Metal posted:Do we think of Mike as having stolen somebody's body/appearance? Been a bit, I forget if that was spelled out. Well when the shoe salesman stops taking drugs a whole different personality seems to emerge. So yeah, I guess so.
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TheMaestroso posted:That's an interesting take on it. I felt that it was all pretty straight-forward. It was really touching at first to see him working as a cop, which gives a whole lot more poignancy to the scene he has with his father in the original show, talking about his vision of what's probably the White Lodge. It made me tear up the first time I saw it, and that feeling is even more pronounced now that it appears that he fulfilled his father's vision. HE'S A GOOD BOY, DAMMIT. Ah gently caress this scene gets me every time
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:Still pretty cringy because he belts out Denise's dead name at least twice. That poo poo hurts. the man is 71 years old and very firmly focused that scene on the message of "if you can't change your heart then leave" so I can forgive the half dozen cringy things myself. Lord Krangdar posted:I always assumed he was a manifestation of Leland's memories of the neighbor Robert who, it was implied, abused him as a child. Like the cycle of abuse given form in the real world. I could've sworn that this was the case too, but for the life of me I can't remember where that information is revealed. In a conversation at one point between Leland and Ben?
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For those criticizing the first four episodes as being too much like FWWM, my belief is that we have 14 hours to go and these first four hours are basically the backstory of how Cooper was able to return to this universe. There is plenty of time for the wacky Twin Peaks universe we all know and loved from the TV series to come back again. Showing that Dr. Jacoby, Ben and Jerry Horne, Hawk, Andy, Lucy, James and Bobby are still here and part of the story is a clue for what's to come.The Unlife Aquatic posted:Still pretty cringy because he belts out Denise's dead name at least twice. That poo poo hurts. Oh god, please don't start this crap.
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Lord Krangdar posted:I don't really see how that changes anything. What I mean is, logically I see why somebody would say Bob probably got his look from the guy from Leland's childhood. But there's also no reason in particular to think that is true. Not that you shouldn't, since we're supposed to interpret it as we will. Also the guy looks like an 80s drifter or something, I picture somebody different for Leland's neighbor in the 50s or whenever it would be. Thanks for the Mike reminder also. Lord Krangdar posted:In the show, yeah, but in the film it seemed more like he was in control and knew exactly what he was doing. He just gave into temptation. Even in the film they feel like different personalities. Like that scene when he was crying and talking to Laura, and she was almost surprised to see her dad. Because they're two different people. Or it's one way of looking at it anyway, how I saw it. Granted that's symbolism and metaphor for messed up people etc, here we're talking about how we think Bob works to figure how it ties into the plot of the new Twin Peaks. Though how it worked then and now might be different as well. Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 07:22 on May 24, 2017 |
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Cephas posted:I could've sworn that this was the case too, but for the life of me I can't remember where that information is revealed. In a conversation at one point between Leland and Ben? It's never directly said, but if I remember correctly they theorize that the clues BOB is leaving under his victims' fingernails spell out ROBERT. At one point Leland mentions that he had a creepy neighbor by that name who taunted him as a child, saying "do you wanna play with fire, little boy?". James mentions that Laura's "mystery man", the one molesting her, said the same to her. Then before Leland dies he again brings up Robert, describing his possession in an implicitly sexual way. Lord Krangdar fucked around with this message at 07:30 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 07:21
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Just got to Billy Zane. Good lord that wig is terrible.
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eSporks posted:I'm not entirely convinced that Bob is even a who in the traditional sense. More just a representation of of the darkness inside us.Bob always felt like more of a force than an entity. As a joke maybe, but seriously... I loving hope not. Well before this season I thought the red room inhabitants represented ID, in that they were the deepest desires of people and they conflict as desires do in real life. Then bob when entering the real world was super ego as the desires became realized. The normal people when not trying to appease their deepest desires were ego. Now I have no idea because of all the doppelganger stuff.
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Josh Lyman posted:The problem with marathoning the original series to catch up is that I end up wanting doughnuts when it's 2am like it is now, and I have a fantastic 24 hour non-chain donut place nearby. Josh Lyman eat the donut (disturb)
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I think BOB is still the one driving Coop's body (if anything I believe that's what the longer hair is supposed to imply) and that its just that twenty five years in full unchallenged control has changed his personality a lot more than occasionally pulling the wheel away from Leland did. It's a lot harder to get that sweet sweet creamed corn when you're constantly a cackling maniac after all.
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Section 9 posted:Josh Lyman eat the donut (disturb) Okay but disappointing. Much like this stretch of episodes. Just saw the Josie knob scene. Hmm. Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 07:39 on May 24, 2017 |
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Heavy Metal posted:What I mean is, logically I see why somebody would say Bob probably got his look from the guy from Leland's childhood. But there's also no reason in particular to think that is true. Not that you shouldn't, since we're supposed to interpret it as we will. Also the guy looks like an 80s drifter or something, I picture somebody different for Leland's neighbor in the 50s or whenever it would be. Thanks for the Mike reminder also. And they say in the show there never was a Robertson who owned that house
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Lord Krangdar posted:Do you guys think the Cooper doppelganger in this season is meant to be BOB? So far it doesn't seem like it. Only the "How's Annie?" scene in the previous finale seems to suggest that (because of the mirror image), but everything else makes it seem like the doppelganger, not BOB, replaced Coop. The only other explanation I can think of is that BOB is simply sick of his endless hedonistic quest for garmanbozia, and its worn down his maniacal personality.
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Josh Lyman posted:Just saw the Josie knob scene. Hmm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOLb1nThRds
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Slammy posted:I love the series. Love it. Couldn't get any bluer.
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Under the vegetable posted:Couldn't get any bluer. I hate to admit this, but I don't understand this situation at all.
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Pretty sure Lucy has Alzheimer's.
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On if somebody new could enjoy this show, from a couple pages ago. I think so, at least somebody who would enjoy Mulholland Drive or Lost Highway, etc. It'd be a pretty niche thing possibly, but I could see fans of this sort of thing rolling with it. Even though we know who Coop is and we get an extra kick out of seeing the classic characters, I think if I wasn't already a Twin Peaks fan I could still enjoy this as sort of a Mulholland Drive-esque mysterious TV show. (Also fun that Mulholland Drive was almost a TV show)
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May 24, 2017 09:09
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precision posted:Rabbits. wait who played the guy rabbit?
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bobkatt013 posted:And they say in the show there never was a Robertson who owned that house No that's right but even right at the end Leland swears again that Bob was someone from his childhood. Leland just thinks he's a neighbour, but the show at least makes the case that Leland was abused and that BOB is a physical manifestation of that evil. I mentioned before but had the show actually ended with that episode, I think everything would've been tied up very neatly (but of course who wants that). In fact, given the ratings slump it went into, I'm not sure why ABC didn't end it there. That whole episode with Leland's death seems like a finale. DrVenkman fucked around with this message at 09:59 on May 24, 2017 |
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Cephas posted:But the thing that sticks out to me is that when he meets his doppelganger in the lodge, he runs away from it. Using dream logic--in a nightmare, you don't run away from the monster chasing you, you confront it. It seems strangely un-Cooperish, un-heroic and un-agentlike and un-mindful for him to flee instead of face it. Heavy Metal posted:With Leland and Bob, it felt like Bob literally possessed Leland, and was another personality. Granted also being a metaphor or whathaveyou. This feels different. This is true if you only consider the series until s2e9, but in the finale, which introduces the whole doppelgänger thing, you do see Leland's own doppelgänger, at which point Cooper seems to realize what's happening and starts hurrying to the exit, so I feel this was always Bob's way of doing things.
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I saw a few stuff from the new season, and I liked what I saw.... But now I have to resume my watch of season 2, and probably the entire series, and the FWWM stuff, to (maybe) get what is going on or at least catch up with the mythos. Season 2 has been my mount Everest. On at least three occasions now I started a watch-a-thon from Season 1, reached the Season 2 mid-part and my brain went "nope, can't do this, man".
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Section 9 posted:Michael Anderson: "I want nothing to do with this and I am crazy now!"
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AbstractNapper posted:I saw a few stuff from the new season, and I liked what I saw.... Can't say I blame you. Once you hit the resolution of the main arc then... Well there's very little to recommend it. It's best to have the next 4 episodes on in the background while you do something else but after that start to pay a bit more attention.
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Yeah I just put the bad eps on in the background and was through them surprisingly quickly.
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You guys, I've made it to s2e21. I'm almost home!
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My wife and I watched all of Twin Peaks over the course of 3 days when we were both at home sick and eating nothing but comfort food and drinking coffee with the curtains closed. Watching the intro over and over again does something to the mind.
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What if that gold pebble that fell out of Dougie was Cooper's current brain volume
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Wyndam Earp's actor is a good sport to put up with all the ridiculous costumes and makeup they put him in.
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Josh Lyman posted:Wyndam Earp's actor is a good sport to put up with all the ridiculous costumes and makeup they put him in. No, the best thing is: he came up with them.
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