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5-stacks in QM are very rarely actually coordinated teams, it's usually just some guy and a bunch of people he picked up in a chatroom for the xp bonus
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Kalko posted:If there's a group imbalance the match-maker gives the non-grouped team a higher overall MMR than the grouped team to 'compensate' for the coordination of the grouped players but to be honest the only times I really notice it is when one team is queued as five and the other team is entirely solo queued. It feels like I win those games more often than not, but yeah anecdotal something something. I guess it depends on how much you trust Blizzard's public statements in regard to this sort of thing but this complaint about full stacks against teams of smaller stacks has come up in Overwatch and the official word is that there's no real statistical advantage found in having a full stack, that is to say that people queuing as a full stack don't have any sort of measurable winrate increase over people on a team split into multiple smaller groups, but that they try to pair teams off equally when they can because people perceive going against a full stack as a disadvantage even though there's no real guarantee that five or six people who happen to be queuing together are any good just because they queued together.
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May 24, 2017 09:55
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Well they've stated it multiple times for HotS specifically and I recall checking hotslogs in the past and finding it seems to be true, though there are also a lot of games which aren't very balanced MMR-wise on that site and it's not necessarily due to grouping.
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May 24, 2017 10:12
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Here's how QM match making works: 1- A certain number of players between 1 and 5 all ready up. 2- Their names are placed into the pool of similarly ready people. 3- These names are printed on the floor of a large room. Groups of players are printed in a clump. 4- Blizzard gives a pack of baboons a bunch of meth and coffee beans. 5- The baboons are released into the room. 6- Blizzard waits for the baboons to poo poo all over enough names to make a game of 10 people, this takes a variable amount of time. 7- Those 10 players are thrown into a game. The map is determined by which map picture on the wall that the baboons threw the most poo poo at. 8- Sometimes the baboons get a, "little crazy." If blood touches a name of a player, that player will arbitrarily be booted from their game. If that blood isn't mixed with poo poo, they'll be allowed to rejoin the game. If the blood is mixed with semen, they'll actually get credit for the win. Loot boxes may or may not have a similar reward generation system. 
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May 24, 2017 10:12
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Cuntellectual posted:It literally can't be more simple than spells do spell damage, attacks do attack damage. Spell implies the stuff Jaina does, and not say, tossing a grenade or slashing with claws. It used to be ability damage which was clearer imo so no idea why they changed it. Is the armor from Uther's trait and some others just attack armor then? I thought it reduces all damage.
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May 24, 2017 10:48
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Carados posted:Hots announcers are so much worse than Dota announcers I hope they get better as time goes on I wish HotS had Rick and Morty like Dota2 does
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May 24, 2017 10:59
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Just lol if you didn't play dota with Axe screaming at you through Deadmau5's techno soundscape 
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May 24, 2017 11:09
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Avalerion posted:Spell implies the stuff Jaina does, and not say, tossing a grenade or slashing with claws. It used to be ability damage which was clearer imo so no idea why they changed it. If it doesn't specify physical or spell it should apply to all damage. Uther just says "armor" afaik.
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May 24, 2017 11:10
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Really, they should go back and re-do all the HotS announcers besides like Gazlowe and Brightwing, because they have pretty much zero personality.
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May 24, 2017 11:55
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:I wish HotS had Rick and Morty like Dota2 does I know you meant to say Stanley Parable, it's easy to confuse the two so I forgive you.
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May 24, 2017 11:59
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Bruceski posted:Folks have some great lines for that. One of Gazlowe's is "it happens, just run back to your corpse and WHAT?! It's gone!" *Extremely smug and amused* I guess you'll have to wait! Don't forget the best part of that line.
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May 24, 2017 12:11
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Really, they should go back and re-do all the HotS announcers besides like Gazlowe and Brightwing, because they have pretty much zero personality. Everyone just has very personalty when you play them too. Even Dva manages to be flatter
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May 24, 2017 12:16
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Poultron posted:$5 welcome pack is nice but I'm still legitimately salty that they're taking away Mega Bundles. That's dogshit. I feel like they're going to offer something equivalent soon, it's too good (I'd say essential) at getting new blood into the game. But making it time limited was a good way to make people jump on it; I downloaded the game and logged in with zero intention of playing, just so I'd grab the pack before it expired in case I ever wanted to play in the future. Then I played a few tutorial matches before even getting to a menu screen and realized the game is pretty fun. If it was available forever I wouldn't have gotten it yet. But after a few weeks or something they need to offer another round or something because starting this game with twenty characters already feels daunting enough, no one is going to jump in in 2017 with one character.
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May 24, 2017 13:06
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Sometimes I think about how cool this game would be if people weren't toxic sacks of poo poo I wonder what mobas are like in Japan
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May 24, 2017 14:13
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Lol if you're not listening to podcasts or something and can actually hear the announcers
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May 24, 2017 14:17
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Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:Sometimes I think about how cool this game would be if people weren't toxic sacks of poo poo Yeah you absolutely gotta focus on your own play and disregard everything else. That includes giving salt and receiving salt. Sometimes I can't resist but i'm a work in progress
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May 24, 2017 14:50
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Last night I was the banner and 2nd pick in ranked. Everyone on my team highlights an assassin instantly when they are able of course. I picked an assassin/bruiser and a guy on my team is like "wow dude we needed a healer" and other people chime in "what a dick" "way to be a team player." This actually happens a lot. Apparently draft is a race to see who highlights something last and then they have to be the healer. Build around that 4/5 pick Zeratul and Illidan. Seems legit. edit: oops this is more of a whine. Whatever. beejay fucked around with this message at 14:53 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 14:50
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Hot Smart ARYAN Girl posted:Sometimes I think about how cool this game would be if people weren't toxic sacks of poo poo Exactly the same I'm sure
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May 24, 2017 15:07
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beejay posted:Last night I was the banner and 2nd pick in ranked. Everyone on my team highlights an assassin instantly when they are able of course. I picked an assassin/bruiser and a guy on my team is like "wow dude we needed a healer" and other people chime in "what a dick" "way to be a team player." This actually happens a lot. Apparently draft is a race to see who highlights something last and then they have to be the healer. Build around that 4/5 pick Zeratul and Illidan. Seems legit. But I have to play assassin, everyone knows the only way to rank up is to carry with a ranged assassin. What's the matter don't you want to win?
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May 24, 2017 15:12
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beejay posted:Last night I was the banner and 2nd pick in ranked. Everyone on my team highlights an assassin instantly when they are able of course. I picked an assassin/bruiser and a guy on my team is like "wow dude we needed a healer" and other people chime in "what a dick" "way to be a team player." This actually happens a lot. Apparently draft is a race to see who highlights something last and then they have to be the healer. Build around that 4/5 pick Zeratul and Illidan. Seems legit. I just say "Pick Order > Call Order" and not say anything else. A lot of people when you call them on it will just back down.
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May 24, 2017 15:18
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"Well, one of these heroes is now a robot. So, you know, enjoy that." "Ayy, look who's back! Was it the router? Yeah, yeah, I bet it was the router." I too use Gazlowe as my announcer.
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May 24, 2017 15:23
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Everyone just has very personalty when you play them too. Even Dva manages to be flatter Well obviously she doesn't respect mobas and puts in little effort.
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May 24, 2017 15:23
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Mierenneuker posted:"Well, one of these heroes is now a robot. So, you know, enjoy that." That second one was TOO REAL when it happened (because yes the router is currently my problem)
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May 24, 2017 15:23
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I will say that I think if last pick prepicks an assassin, and pickers 1-4 just pick what they want and assume the last guy will be forced into playing support? I have zeeeeeero sympathy for them when that guy just instalocks the hero he indicated from the start. You knew he wanted the hero, you took a shot and it backfired. Suck it up.
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May 24, 2017 15:24
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It is a dumb meta thing that in lower leagues at least it's a lottery and last pick usually means you are support. However, prepicking isn't some kind of dibs thing and if the team needs something and the last pick doesn't provide it, it's on him. If you just prepick Illidan every game and pick him no matter what, you are a garbage person and should not be playing draft. The other people have no obligation to let you have your guy every game. edit: Unless you are saying the guy hovering Illidan as last pick is probably going to play Illidan no matter what so you should probably consider working around that. Which I agree with, grudgingly. beejay fucked around with this message at 15:30 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 15:27
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You'd be surprised pre-diamond how effective it is to ban garbage hard-lock prepicks, eg first/last Illidan when no shows are built around him. You'd think it would tilt them but after doing it once as a joke to great success I leverage it every once in awhile if I'm banning; ie if nearly any choice would be better, tlv on 2lane, etc
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May 24, 2017 15:30
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Honestly you should be able to cancel out of draft without penalty if the rest of your team picks 4 assassins and insists on wasting your time for the next 30 minutes.
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May 24, 2017 15:30
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exquisite tea posted:Honestly you should be able to cancel out of draft without penalty if the rest of your team picks 4 assassins and insists on wasting your time for the next 30 minutes. And so a draft game never started again.
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May 24, 2017 15:37
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Gustav posted:I will say that I think if last pick prepicks an assassin, and pickers 1-4 just pick what they want and assume the last guy will be forced into playing support? Nah, everyone gets last pick sometimes. Suck it up and play what the team needs.
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May 24, 2017 15:39
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I know TL can do some gimmicky things with unorthodox hero comps but for HL at the very least it shouldn't let you launch without at least one tank and one support.
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May 24, 2017 15:40
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Nah, everyone gets last pick sometimes. Suck it up and play what the team needs. I'm a team player, so I suck it up and play what the team needs every game, not just the 20% of games I'm last pick.
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May 24, 2017 15:41
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chumbler posted:Well obviously she doesn't respect mobas and puts in little effort. She's just jealous that mobas are more popular than rts
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May 24, 2017 15:42
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I like this game a lot, I'm thinking of heroes I want to try when I get home from work. I can't believe I finally cleansed myself of MMO's and now I'm playing a loving MOBA.
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May 24, 2017 15:42
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I've over hero level 100 and I haven't touched any sort of draft mode because I no idea how to effectively draft in this game. I just realized that it doesn't loving matter, people are idiots, and if I'm given the bans I'm going to slam in Valeera and Nova every time because they're incredibly unfun to play against, thus making the world a better place. I guess I'll do my placements after work or something.
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May 24, 2017 15:45
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Gustav posted:I'm a team player, so I suck it up and play what the team needs every game, not just the 20% of games I'm last pick. So if 1 and 2 pick assassins, then 5 picks an assassin, it's 1 or 2's fault?
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May 24, 2017 15:47
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I'm a team player, except when I have to pick last, which is you know the most crucial slot for making a comp actually work.
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May 24, 2017 15:48
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Renegret posted:I've over hero level 100 and I haven't touched any sort of draft mode because I no idea how to effectively draft in this game. I hate dealing with the draft, I'd literally just prefer to get QM style matched into a HL game even if it's bad. Also I don't know poo poo about drafting things and have no idea how to play a healer right now, and also I just want to play Murky forever. I dread the day they add the Raven Lord as a reward for doing HL/TL because I'd want that mount with all my life
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May 24, 2017 15:50
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:So if 1 and 2 pick assassins, then 5 picks an assassin, it's 1 or 2's fault? Yes. Also 3, 4 and 5. Assuming prepicks were made early and unambiguously.
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I'd almost prefer it if you got a Brawl styled window for each pick that flat told you what role you were playing in HL because too many people believe things like "last pick gets highest priority in what they want to play" that eliminating the loving guesswork of who will suck it up and play a role might be good. And this is coming from a dude that almost always plays warriors or support Gustav posted:Yes. Also 3, 4 and 5. This is stupid. If you get to pick 5 and you had Nova instalocked but we need a healer you're a loving rear end in a top hat if you pick Nova.
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