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Mango Polo posted:Welcome to 40k, don't forget to let us know what you think of the game once you'll have played it for the first time ever I really don't see what that has to do with ugly datasheets but okay
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BIG MEATY SHITS posted:Lookit all dem fukkin rules and keywords. Is this for one unit? Literally 40% of it is down to the transport rules not being part of base AoS.
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May 24, 2017 16:28
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Pawl posted:I really don't see what that has to do with ugly datasheets but okay 
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Broken Record Talk posted:That looks like a complete disaster to try and use. I though AoS was supposed to be 40k lite? I'm guessing it's because AoS has no core vehicle/transport rules so they've had to print them all for a single snowflake unit. Nearly half the text is just for transporting stuff.
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Pawl posted:I really don't see what that has to do with ugly datasheets but okay Pawl posted:Still looks nicer than the grey tone
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May 24, 2017 16:29
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So just to be clear: you guys like the greyscale excel spreadsheets and you really don't think they could have done a better job with them? It's okay to be critical of things
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May 24, 2017 16:32
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Mango Polo posted:It is, indeed, one unit. Lol at anyone not playing kow over this poo poo.
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May 24, 2017 16:33
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Pawl posted:So just to be clear: you guys like the greyscale excel spreadsheets and you really don't think they could have done a better job with them? I would actually prefer a .xls to anything else.
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May 24, 2017 16:34
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Pawl posted:So just to be clear: you guys like the greyscale excel spreadsheets and you really don't think they could have done a better job with them? Yeah. They clearly and concisely outline the rules, in a format that is easy to read. If I wanted fancy decorated pages with a bunch of poo poo all over them, I'd be buying a fluff book.
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May 24, 2017 16:34
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Pawl posted:Still looks nicer than the grey tone Grey tone is actually going to print well and be legible on kindles, it's a good decision.
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May 24, 2017 16:35
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Broken Record Talk posted:If I wanted fancy decorated pages with a bunch of poo poo all over them, I'd be buying Fixed for truth.
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May 24, 2017 16:36
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Pawl posted:So just to be clear: you guys like the greyscale excel spreadsheets and you really don't think they could have done a better job with them?  This is what we're coming from, it remains to be seen what it looks like in the index but the spreadsheet of options is a welcome change.
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May 24, 2017 16:36
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Broken Record Talk posted:Yeah. They clearly and concisely outline the rules, in a format that is easy to read. If I wanted fancy decorated pages with a bunch of poo poo all over them, I'd be buying a fluff book. Why are these choices mutually exclusive...? It's possible to have information displayed well and in a way that is aesthetically pleasing. Or do you just genuinely prefer looking at ugly spreadsheets
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May 24, 2017 16:37
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Pawl posted:So just to be clear: you guys like the greyscale excel spreadsheets and you really don't think they could have done a better job with them? Pawl posted:It's okay to be critical of things 
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May 24, 2017 16:38
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Datasheets look cool and good. I'm glad they went with more of a utilitarian setup rather than trying to make them all fancy. This is going to be so much better than flipping back and forth between 3-5 pages depending on the unit. (Ask me about forgetting that Terminators can move and fire heavy weapons as it doesn't say this on the Chaos Terminator page, but instead the armor page.[it had been years since I had played and I had never used Terminators before])
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May 24, 2017 16:39
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The AoS data sheet is cool and good; for GW created it. The warhammer 40k data sheet is good and cool; for GW created it. All GW's creations are good. Amen
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Pawl posted:I really don't see what that has to do with ugly datasheets but okay A good, readable format isn't necessarily the best looking format. Adding colors and excessive formatting distracts from the true purpose of the product, which is to get you the information in a clear, quick, and concise manner. The new datasheets are fine. If you're ever in a business environment where you have to deal with people who like to pretty up their email with terrible fonts, backgrounds, and clipart, you'll appreciate the phrase "elegant simplicity."
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May 24, 2017 16:40
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chutche2 posted:$160 is a little more than I'm wanting to pay, I would've been interested at $140. I'm not sold on primaris marines, and it'd be a while before I did anything with death guard, and they're all single pose models anyway. If it was a little cheaper I might've gone for it but I'm just going to look for the rulebook on ebay. Even if I split it with someone I'd have to give a pretty loving favorable split for me to get the rulebook plus half the models, and I'm not sure what half I'd want more. Jesus gently caress if $20 is going to break you this might not be the right hobby for your lifestyle.
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May 24, 2017 16:40
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berzerkmonkey posted:A good, readable format isn't necessarily the best looking format. Adding colors and excessive formatting distracts from the true purpose of the product, which is to get you the information in a clear, quick, and concise manner. The new datasheets are fine. Truth. Nothing irritates me more than people who try to "decorate" their emails. I want information to be conveyed, nothing more, nothing less.
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May 24, 2017 16:42
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berzerkmonkey posted:A good, readable format isn't necessarily the best looking format. Adding colors and excessive formatting distracts from the true purpose of the product, which is to get you the information in a clear, quick, and concise manner. The new datasheets are fine. There's a lot of room between clip art email signatures and monotone spreadsheets. Even in technical STEM fields you still utilize space and colour to display information in a way that draws attention where you want the reader to look. If I had to choose between function and form I would always pick the former, but why is it impossible to have function with some modicum of form? Pawl fucked around with this message at 16:46 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 16:44
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There's a difference between form and dumbass bullshit.
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May 24, 2017 16:46
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Why the gently caress would I want this? Over this?  
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panascope posted:I would actually prefer a .xls to anything else. .csv for me, please
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spacegoat posted:Why the gently caress would I want this? 1) as discussed that one unit is WILDLY atypical because AoS has no baked in transport rules 2) you can get the later for AoS
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May 24, 2017 16:48
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TKIY posted:Jesus gently caress if $20 is going to break you this might not be the right hobby for your lifestyle. Calm down there, you're a little excitable. I didn't say $20 is going to "break me", I said that it's the point where I'd rather buy the rulebook separate because I don't really want either sets of models that much. If it was a better deal I would go for it anyway.
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TKIY posted:Jesus gently caress if $20 is going to break you this might not be the right hobby for your lifestyle. Too bad some of invested so heavily in Tau having never played a game or, in fact, knowing they would even care for it at all.
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Pawl posted:There's a lot of room between clip art email signatures and monotone spreadsheets. Even in technical STEM fields you still utilize space and colour to display information in a way that draws attention where you want the reader to look. Those are a perfectly good layout, you just don't have a clue. Maybe you can paint yours pretty shiny colours. tallkidwithglasses posted:.csv for me, please Burn the witch
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May 24, 2017 16:50
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Safety Factor posted:There's a difference between form and dumbass bullshit. I improved it 
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I vastly prefer formats that are easier to read and contain all the information I want over formats that look pretty. That's why a digital Datasheet would be preferred; if I can tailor it to cut out anything that I don't need (like weapons my unit doesn't have) then it becomes a useful reference instead of a pretty sheet of paper.
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mango sentinel posted:1) as discussed that one unit is WILDLY atypical because AoS has no baked in transport rules Ok, is this a more acceptable example of "why the gently caress would I want this"? 
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May 24, 2017 16:52
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gently caress you guys have a point about readability over style but there's no need to be assholes about it.
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May 24, 2017 16:53
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Not sure if it was posted here yet, but the MSRP for the rulebooks in the US was confirmed at 60 for the main rulebook and 25 for the index books.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Too bad some of invested so heavily in Tau having never played a game or, in fact, knowing they would even care for it at all. Oh drat you got me. I spent some money on plastic space barbies and I thought I was having fun building/painting and was happy with that purchase but it turns out that you all-knowing goons know better because my one complaint thus far about the colour of the rules totally invalidates my purchase noooooooo Chance II posted:gently caress you guys have a point about readability over style but there's no need to be assholes about it. I'm loving how worked up people are getting over somebody commenting about how ugly the rules are
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Pretty excited about there only being 2 forge world books with everything in there. I have never cared for how forge world made it semi confusing to figure out where rules for models were and required several books for a single army.
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spacegoat posted:Ok, is this a more acceptable example of "why the gently caress would I want this"? Yeah that thing is a formatting mess.
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I can hack the formatting in the 40k example, ugly as it is, it's more that I need one page per unit of my army, and many of my rules are such that my opponent will need them explained.
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Pawl posted:Oh drat you got me. I spent some money on plastic space barbies and I thought I was having fun building/painting and was happy with that purchase but it turns out that you all-knowing goons know better because my one complaint thus far about the colour of the rules totally invalidates my purchase noooooooo 
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Chance II posted:gently caress you guys have a point about readability over style but there's no need to be assholes about it. I'm gonna find your childhood home and drive a bulldozer through it. You hosed with the wrong poster dude, prepare for a universe of pain.
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I'm loving how worked up people are getting over somebody commenting about how readable the rules are
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I was hoping against hope that Forgeworld would just release their stuff as PDFs. I don't really want to have to buy another book just to run my Sicaran but it is what it is. Maybe the ebook will be cheap.
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