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How you draft is you slam pick gul'dan if your team hesitates for five seconds, or you ban him if your team has second pick
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May 24, 2017 16:02
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I'm glad I enjoy playing Support and Tank. It makes it easier for everyone else to be their favorite deeps.
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May 24, 2017 16:03
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:This is stupid. If you get to pick 5 and you had Nova instalocked but we need a healer you're a loving rear end in a top hat if you pick Nova. Fine, but if you picked an assassin yourself you don't get to complain about it. You knew there was a good chance that could happen, you presumably asked him if he would flex and he either said no or didn't answer, and you took your shot anyway because you really really wanted to play assassin and figured he had to choice buy to switch. Good for you. Now you get to suck it up and deal with it, not be a stereotypical toxic rear end in a top hat whining about other people's picks.
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May 24, 2017 16:04
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Gustav posted:Fine, but if you picked an assassin yourself you don't get to complain about it. You knew there was a good chance that could happen, you presumably asked him if he would flex and he either said no or didn't answer, and you took your shot anyway because you really really wanted to play assassin and figured he had to choice buy to switch. Good for you. Now you get to suck it up and deal with it, not be a stereotypical toxic rear end in a top hat whining about other people's picks. LOL the fifth pick instalocking Nova would be the toxic rear end in a top hat in this scenario. Like I might agree with you if QM didn't exist, a format where that player could play Nova in EVERY GAME Hail Mr. Satan! fucked around with this message at 16:15 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 16:05
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PureRok posted:I'm glad I enjoy playing Support and Tank. It makes it easier for everyone else to be their favorite deeps. Pretty much. I stick almost exclusively to tanks/supports that have hard carry potential because I can't trust other people to pick them and I expect everyone else on my team to suck really bad.
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May 24, 2017 16:08
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quote:QM comps suck and unranked draft/HL pick order clusterfucks Oh hey hello, it's me. The guy that can't stop gobbling cocks and espousing the benefits of Team League. Come enjoy reasonable comps and 90% fewer pick order entitled morons. Renegret posted:I've over hero level 100 and I haven't touched any sort of draft mode because I no idea how to effectively draft in this game. Ask for TL in SAGoons and you'll get some cool froods who can walk you through it. Just let them know you're new to drafting and they'll build a team around your preference, or decide which of your comfort picks would help vs the enemy team. Also, watch Grubby on Youtube. Most of his videos start with ~4 min of talking about the draft. Some of their picks work way better at a high skill level (e.g. Medivh) but most of them will translate. Plus the videos are chill.
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May 24, 2017 16:21
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In my opinion if you want to carry games pick a tank. Like if you Diablo well you can just serve picks up for your crap assassins to kill, they'll be unable to resist it when you charge someone into their kill range. You gotta realise that instalock assassins will kill people if you make that kill something they cannot gently caress up.
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May 24, 2017 16:25
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Picking support just means it will take longer for your bad team to lose
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May 24, 2017 16:26
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Not even remotely true. Supports do more than just heal you know.
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May 24, 2017 16:28
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I'm aware of that, but tank lets you control a fight more. If we're in a draft situation that's going to be much more useful to you than a support plus you can build for regen for sustain, peel for your underappreciated support and generally give your assassins irresistable targets.
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May 24, 2017 16:33
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I just need to find some way to get the gently caress out of silver. It is a wasteland. I'm so bad at this game and I'm not sure why.
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May 24, 2017 16:35
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Support pick Kharazim and late game punch the ever loving poo poo out of every person and every structure while healing in an AOE every 2 seconds
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May 24, 2017 16:38
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beejay posted:I just need to find some way to get the gently caress out of silver. It is a wasteland. I'm so bad at this game and I'm not sure why. Always be soaking Silver is about learning not to die, because if you're dead you can't be soaking Put it another way: in silver, you can hit tab and tell who the best player is by their XP numbers This generally also means OP push bullies are the easiest way to climb out if you can play them, currently these would be Nazeebo and Azmodan But really just learn to not die and soak, you can work on other stuff sure; your goal is end the game with top soak and 0 deaths, get as close to this as possible every game
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May 24, 2017 16:40
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It's a crime that Kharazim only gets a quest on the mana punch. Adding a self heal reward and an chain to non-heroic reward to the other 2 should be a no-brainer slam dunk.
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May 24, 2017 16:43
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Diablo really needs a strong healer though and probably burst assassins you can't just drop him into team
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May 24, 2017 16:44
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thechalkoutline posted:
Also, Zagara.
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May 24, 2017 16:44
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Probius is silly good at low elo because people will flat out walk past your pylons and ignore them, then be stunned when you catch them in a pylon ult/canno box.
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May 24, 2017 16:46
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Yeah there's definitely things I can work on, but I feel like soaking and not dying I have down most of the time. I just get hung up on individual instances and it tilts the gently caress out of me. For example last night, my team was down 3 levels, 11-8. I look at xp, I'm highest with about 3000 ish. Our Arthas had 292. Two hundred and ninety two. I don't even know how that's possible. At the end of the game our highest had about 9000 and he was at 2500. Then I got him in my next game and he died 10 times as Dehaka. Then I kept playing even though I was mad and ended up losing 6 games in a row.
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May 24, 2017 16:47
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Toshimo posted:Also, Zagara. Downside being that if your team is really that bad, all you'll be able to do with Azmo/Zagara is stall the game out by pushing all lanes and stoppinga loss. You might get lucky and win a team fight at 31 minutes, but you can only carry so hard. Falstad is also a great hard carry if you know how to set up big plays or steal bosses with Gust.
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May 24, 2017 16:48
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I mean some games you just can't help. I've had games with heroes that have actual 0 siege damage by the end. But you will win the majority of games if you personally are good.
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May 24, 2017 16:48
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Kashuno posted:Probius is silly good at low elo because people will flat out walk past your pylons and ignore them, then be stunned when you catch them in a pylon ult/canno box. Don't tell low ELO people to Probius. If they are low ELO, they probably don't have the mechanics to play him.
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May 24, 2017 16:50
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beejay posted:I just need to find some way to get the gently caress out of silver. It is a wasteland. I'm so bad at this game and I'm not sure why. Post a replay.
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May 24, 2017 16:50
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beejay posted:Yeah there's definitely things I can work on, but I feel like soaking and not dying I have down most of the time. I just get hung up on individual instances and it tilts the gently caress out of me. For example last night, my team was down 3 levels, 11-8. I look at xp, I'm highest with about 3000 ish. Our Arthas had 292. Two hundred and ninety two. I don't even know how that's possible. At the end of the game our highest had about 9000 and he was at 2500. Then I got him in my next game and he died 10 times as Dehaka. Then I kept playing even though I was mad and ended up losing 6 games in a row. Definitely take a break if you're on a losing streak. I don't know anyone that favors playing through it It's fine to lose games where you are top soak and 0 deaths, the fact is if you keep playing this way you will get to gold. Your example reinforces the point I'm trying to make: the 3 level advantage you describe (early game to boot) is why you got rolled, and it's the scenario you're trying to set up for your team in every game Silver is really all about level advantage, because mechanics are so poor. (And yes post a replay)
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May 24, 2017 16:52
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Is Chen any good? He seems fun but I was browsing reddit (there aren't enough Heroes threads here!) and people seem to be of the opinion that the current meta has pushed him out of viability. I tried him out a few times but got my rear end kicked, then watched a YouTube and realized I should have been drinking WAY more than I was.
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May 24, 2017 16:53
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beejay posted:Last night I was the banner and 2nd pick in ranked. Everyone on my team highlights an assassin instantly when they are able of course. I picked an assassin/bruiser and a guy on my team is like "wow dude we needed a healer" and other people chime in "what a dick" "way to be a team player." This actually happens a lot. Apparently draft is a race to see who highlights something last and then they have to be the healer. Build around that 4/5 pick Zeratul and Illidan. Seems legit. Just pick a support and then out-DPS multiple assassins on your team while also healing. This is what I usually do. Also automatically silences any poo poo talk they try to perpetrate whenever the match goes sour.
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Tender Bender posted:Is Chen any good? He seems fun but I was browsing reddit (there aren't enough Heroes threads here!) and people seem to be of the opinion that the current meta has pushed him out of viability. I tried him out a few times but got my rear end kicked, then watched a YouTube and realized I should have been drinking WAY more than I was. If you're talking high mmr HL meta, he is not a desirable option no. He's perfectly fine in say, gold Chen is hard countered by low cd stuns that can take him out of his drink, eg Muradin, and is a unstoppable god if the other team has drafted no stuns. Because of this Chen can really only be drafted late, ideally last and assuming they're dumb enough to have no stuns (this doesn't happen often at high mmr) In QM what happens is either you get matched with a team that can stun you, or you don't, and it goes as described above
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May 24, 2017 16:56
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Tender Bender posted:Is Chen any good? He seems fun but I was browsing reddit (there aren't enough Heroes threads here!) and people seem to be of the opinion that the current meta has pushed him out of viability. I tried him out a few times but got my rear end kicked, then watched a YouTube and realized I should have been drinking WAY more than I was. Play Chen in draft formats as a late pick against teams without stuns. Alarak will eat Chen alive. When Chen is a viable pick you pretty much drink to full (or drink for the entire duration if your opponents are actually attacking you and not making a dent in your hp), kick their squishy and unload keg and fire, and drink again. Rinse and repeat every team fight. The only times you don't really want to drink constantly is when you're chasing someone down and need to body them after a kick.
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May 24, 2017 16:57
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Thanks for the tips. If I'm not actively under attack do I just drink for the energy and ignore trying to build the hp shield? It seems to go away too fast to be helpful.
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May 24, 2017 17:49
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Tender Bender posted:Thanks for the tips. If I'm not actively under attack do I just drink for the energy and ignore trying to build the hp shield? It seems to go away too fast to be helpful. The shield is for when you're getting smacked in the moment. Drinking is useless if you don't need Brew and you're not getting hit.
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May 24, 2017 17:57
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When it comes to drafting I was pointed to this: http://thedrafterhots.com. I've never actually used it for real drafting because all I do is QM, but maybe it'd be useful.
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May 24, 2017 18:11
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PureRok posted:When it comes to drafting I was pointed to this: http://thedrafterhots.com. It's really sketchy. I gave it a first pick illidan, and its next 2 picks were zarya and malf, and I don't think double manaless into malf is a great plan (also, it finished with Greymane and Probius, so your protect-the Illidan comp isn't great and you have dick for hard cc).
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May 24, 2017 18:35
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That's pretty slick
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May 24, 2017 18:37
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Poultron posted:b-b-b-but player levels don't matter I'm 1182 and Diamond 4/Platinum 1 in Hero League and I have literally never been matched with anyone within 400 levels of me when solo Q'ing. I pretty consistently end up with 4 people in the 200-350 level range. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 18:42 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 18:40
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Toshimo posted:It's really sketchy. I gave it a first pick illidan, and its next 2 picks were zarya and malf, and I don't think double manaless into malf is a great plan (also, it finished with Greymane and Probius, so your protect-the Illidan comp isn't great and you have dick for hard cc). But what if you want from LAST pick?
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May 24, 2017 18:45
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:The shield is for when you're getting smacked in the moment. Drinking is useless if you don't need Brew and you're not getting hit. And if you're not getting hit, go find something to get hit by. Depending on the situation, you can over extend and soak tower shots with drink or at least tank a minion wave in Chen's version of pushing.
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May 24, 2017 19:17
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:But what if you want from LAST pick? Wat
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May 24, 2017 19:18
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Also it's probably not true but Chen feels like he has the fattest rear end in the game, so he can block escapes like a champ with his kick
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May 24, 2017 19:18
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I think that honor goes to Azmodan
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:Also it's probably not true but Chen feels like he has the fattest rear end in the game, so he can block escapes like a champ with his kick D.va mech form doing this is the best feeling
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