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Alter Ego posted:Is there any chance the CBO score isn't as bad as we've been predicting? Republicans run the board. Expect them to give a rosey opinion along party lines.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/867471425623527424 The dude went from rags to riches by becoming a doctor. Believing that he did so because he was more right than other people is core to his identity
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I do get on a plane in 45 minutes and I don't want to buy in flight Wi-Fi please give me that CBO. Edit: Yessssssssssssss
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51 million uninsured by 2026 hahaha holy poo poo
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It qualifies for reconciliation.
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May 24, 2017 21:34
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Surprise surprise, it's even worse.
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May 24, 2017 21:34
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poo poo. It made the filibuster proof number, didn't it?
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axeil posted:51 million uninsured by 2026 hahaha holy poo poo Holy poo poo, that's even WORSE than the first bill.
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Yep. It's really, really bad. $1.1 billion in estimated savings. This bill is screwed.
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23 million more, not much different from the 24 of the previous law
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evilweasel posted:It qualifies for reconciliation. Knew it.
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axeil posted:51 million uninsured by 2026 hahaha holy poo poo Holy poo poo, that's atrocious
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CBO confirms the health insurnace market will implode (for some states)CBO posted:However, the agencies estimate that about one-sixth of the population resides in areas in which the nongroup market would start to become unstable beginning in 2020. That instability would result from market responses to decisions by some states to waive two provisions of federal law, as would be permitted under H.R. 1628. One type of waiver would allow states to modify the requirements governing essential health benefits (EHBs), which set minimum standards for the benefits that insurance in the nongroup and small-group markets must cover. A second type of waiver would allow insurers to set premiums on the basis of an individual’s health status if the person had not demonstrated continuous coverage; that is, the waiver would eliminate the requirement for what is termed community rating for premiums charged to such people. CBO and JCT anticipate that most healthy people applying for insurance in the nongroup market in those states would be able to choose between premiums based on their own expected health care costs (medically underwritten premiums) and premiums based on the average health care costs for people who share the same age and smoking status and who reside in the same geographic area (community-rated premiums). By choosing the former, people who are healthier than average would be able to purchase nongroup insurance with relatively low premiums.
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Alter Ego posted:Holy poo poo, that's even WORSE than the first bill. No it isn't that's the total, change from current law is 23, first bill was 24 iirc
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May 24, 2017 21:35
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That's over loving double isn't it? First one was 24 million, now 51?
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Aves Maria! posted:Holy poo poo, that's atrocious 28 is what would happen under the current law. It's basically exactly the same as the first version
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https://twitter.com/BruceBartlett/status/867479150168338433
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Someone get Rob Quist's campaign on the phone and give them these numbers so they can slap them in a last-minute ad.
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Whew boy those premium increases by 2020 are bleak
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So now the play is Ryan submits it to the Senate, the Senate basically ignores it and writes their own bill, then we get a replay of two months ago with the Freedom Caucus getting leaned on extra-hard to support the Senate version?
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Will cause insurance premium increase of 20% in addition to uninsuring 23 million people, whee.
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Let's just kick 15% of the country off health insurance, what could possibly go wrong
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14 million next year, 23 million by 2026. That's the increase in uninsured. The first version of the bill was 24 million by 2026, so this is not much better.
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Post-math world baby.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:That's over loving double isn't it? First one was 24 million, now 51? 51 million total. 24 million was the difference from Obamacare
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theflyingorc posted:28 is what would happen under the current law. It's basically exactly the same as the first version Yeah, but the first version of the bill was also atrocious
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It does appear that it will be reconciliation-compatible. No house revote needed, I think. It saves a bit less money than the last evil bill, but saves enough. Slightly fewer people will be uninsured in evil bill #2 than in evil bill #1, but its still a horrifically evil bill. edit: oh poo poo long-term its way worse on uninsured
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quote:Although premiums would decline, on average, in states that chose to narrow the scope of EHBs, some people enrolled in nongroup insurance would experience substantial increases in what they would spend on health care. People living in states modifying the EHBs who used services or benefits no longer included in the EHBs would experience substantial increases in out-of-pocket spending on health care or would choose to forgo the services. Services or benefits likely to be excluded from the EHBs in some states include maternity care, mental health and substance abuse benefits, rehabilitative and habilitative services, and pediatric dental benefits. In particular, out-of-pocket spending on maternity care and mental health and substance abuse services could increase by thousands of dollars in a given year for the nongroup enrollees who would use those services. Moreover, the ACA’s ban on annual and lifetime limits on covered benefits would no longer apply to health benefits not defined as essential in a state. As a result, for some benefits that might be removed from a state’s definition of EHBs but that might not be excluded from insurance coverage altogether, some enrollees could see large increases in out-of-pocket spending because annual or lifetime limits would be allowed. That could happen, for example, to some people who use expensive prescription drugs. Out-of-pocket payments for people who have relatively high health care spending would increase most in the states that obtained waivers from the requirements for both the EHBs and community rating.
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BREAKING: poo poo Bill Still poo poo
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Aves Maria! posted:Yeah, but the first version of the bill was also atrocious It's true, but I was really hoping that this one would eclipse the first one.
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quote:H.R. 1628, as passed by the House, would tend to increase such premiums before 2020, relative to those under current law—by an average of about 20 percent in 2018 and 5 percent in 2019, as the funding provided by the act to reduce premiums had a larger effect on pricing. This is kinda big. Larger premium increase in 2018 than the current law by 20%(!!!) during an election year.
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It has to save $2 billion in order to pass to the Senate, I believe. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/upshot/how-to-read-the-cbo-score-of-the-health-bill-like-an-expert.html
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Christ, Medicaid is completely gutted. The medical option for the poor is gonna be straight up euthanasia only at this rate.
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Teddybear posted:14 million next year, 23 million by 2026. Yeah I don't see anyone being able to sell this bill with these numbers, regardless. "No, see, it's OK! Instead of 24 million, it's only 23 million!" I do not see this abomination getting 50 votes + Pence in the Senate. Too many Senators need to keep their jobs.
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Rigel posted:It does appear that it will be reconciliation-compatible. No house revote needed, I think. The board is republican-led. There was no way in hell it wouldn't be reconciliation compatible.
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haveblue posted:Let's just kick 15% of the country off health insurance, what could possibly go wrong Soon they're gonna have to hire Mexican immigrants to remove the bodies littering the streets.
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