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fsif posted:I don't know enough about his district, but this HAS to spell the end for Paul Ryan in 2018, right? Or is his a constituency particularly susceptible to messages like “I will literally murder you”? You don't get to be the Speaker if you aren't in the deep red.
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May 24, 2017 22:23
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mcmagic posted:They are STEALING 100B of your health care and giving it to the rich in the form of tax cuts. If you can't message that you don't belong in politics. 1,000B
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May 24, 2017 22:23
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Avirosb posted:Republicans hate the elderly but they also want their money. The Elderly: Suckle on the teat of social security Often consume lots of healthcare dollars Cannot make little republicans anymore Therefore, they serve no purpose, time to grind them up for yacht fuel Chilichimp posted:It raises premiums! What is he smoking? Dead people cannot pay premiums, therefore savings.
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May 24, 2017 22:23
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fsif posted:I don't know enough about his district, but this HAS to spell the end for Paul Ryan in 2018, right? Or is his a constituency particularly susceptible to messages like “I will literally murder you”? They are susceptible to "Liberals don't like this bill so it must be great."
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May 24, 2017 22:23
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May 24, 2017 22:23
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I've found this AHCA bill to be a bizarre piece of politics. A bad bill that cuts access to healthcare to give tax breaks to the rich was expected from the GOP, but I'd have expected them to gently caress over the young, non-GOP voters at the expense of the older, politically-active, GOP-leaning voting block. The first order of business since retaking control of government is to yank healthcare away from the people who vote often, and vote for them in overwhelming numbers. Between the AHCA and Trump's budget, the GOP seem to be incredibly eager to put the Democrats back in power.
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mcmagic posted:They are STEALING 100B of your health care and giving it to the rich in the form of tax cuts. If you can't message that you don't belong in politics. 800b. 100b is the amount of that they apply against the deficit, with 700b going to the rich.
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May 24, 2017 22:23
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In other news, Sasse is very concerned. https://twitter.com/YahooNews/status/867489599144292353
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May 24, 2017 22:23
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TyrantWD posted:I've found this AHCA bill to be a bizarre piece of politics. A bad bill that cuts access to healthcare to give tax breaks to the rich was expected from the GOP, but I'd have expected them to gently caress over the young, non-GOP voters at the expense of the older, politically-active, GOP-leaning voting block. I think they figure that that have subverted Democracy so well that they can't be toppled by petty things like facts.
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May 24, 2017 22:24
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evilweasel posted:No, their premiums become very, very low. Until they get sick. Then the next year they spike through the roof. Meanwhile, grandma gets to decide between eating or paying for insurance.
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May 24, 2017 22:24
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No Butt Stuff posted:Jesus christ how the gently caress do you even keep a straight face and say something good about that? Step 1: Stop thinking that "The Poors" are people.
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May 24, 2017 22:24
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TyrantWD posted:I've found this AHCA bill to be a bizarre piece of politics. A bad bill that cuts access to healthcare to give tax breaks to the rich was expected from the GOP, but I'd have expected them to gently caress over the young, non-GOP voters at the expense of the older, politically-active, GOP-leaning voting block. Paul Ryan is really, really, really, really, really bad at actual policy but thinks he's good at it from years of washinton reporters not realizing his idiot policies don't add up.
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May 24, 2017 22:24
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May 24, 2017 22:25
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TyrantWD posted:I've found this AHCA bill to be a bizarre piece of politics. A bad bill that cuts access to healthcare to give tax breaks to the rich was expected from the GOP, but I'd have expected them to gently caress over the young, non-GOP voters at the expense of the older, politically-active, GOP-leaning voting block. Well, that's just the nature of health care. If you restrict access to it, you'll kill old and sick people. Young people just don't need as much of it, and their actuarial status means they can get it cheaper (if you remove community ranking).
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May 24, 2017 22:25
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I think it is truly time to invest in guillotine futures.
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May 24, 2017 22:26
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evilweasel posted:No, their premiums become very, very low. Until they get sick. Then the next year they spike through the roof. LOL, an a la carte insurance plan for rich folks? Hilarious. Turns out, they understand find how insurance works, they just don't believe rich people should have to pay for it.
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May 24, 2017 22:26
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Khisanth Magus posted:I think it is truly time to invest in guillotine futures. At least being headless isn't a preexisting condition...yet.
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May 24, 2017 22:26
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evilweasel posted:Paul Ryan is really, really, really, really, really bad at actual policy but thinks he's good at it from years of washinton reporters not realizing his idiot policies don't add up. They are also putting their monolithic base to the test. Will their most loyal, active voters still say "fake news! MAGA" and vote GOP while the GOP is actively killing them to pay for tax cuts? I guess we'll see. We don't actually need old morons to win back the house, but if they cracked and actually woke up to the fact that the GOP is pretty evil, then the GOP would be well and truly hosed.
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May 24, 2017 22:27
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Well, that's just the nature of health care. If you restrict access to it, you'll kill old and sick people. Young people just don't need as much of it, and their actuarial status means they can get it cheaper (if you remove community ranking). Which is, of course, all why the only sane way to proceed is with a single-payer system. The contradictions inherent in a private healthcare system make it by definition unable to fulfill the functions of healthcare.
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May 24, 2017 22:27
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For most whites as long as the employer paid market (mostly B2B) isn't blown up they couldn't care less. In that aspect the ACA was extremely conservative in its approach to not taking a more decisive blow to employer insurance.
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May 24, 2017 22:27
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fsif posted:I don't know enough about his district, but this HAS to spell the end for Paul Ryan in 2018, right? Or is his a constituency particularly susceptible to messages like “I will literally murder you”? Last election he won his district by about 35 points. So uh, have to be one hell of a wave to unseat him.
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May 24, 2017 22:27
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May 24, 2017 22:28
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Khisanth Magus posted:I think it is truly time to invest in guillotine futures. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Make sure to diversify into tumbrels.
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May 24, 2017 22:29
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dicks out https://twitter.com/TheoTypes/status/867489697265836034
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In non-healthcare news, Donny's going to get a warm reception tomorrow:"The Guardian posted:Theresa May will confront Donald Trump over the stream of leaks of crucial intelligence about the Manchester bomb attack when she meets the US president at a Nato summit in Brussels on Thursday.
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May 24, 2017 22:29
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White non-college educated voters aged 50-64 can shout fake news all they want. The insurance company is just going to say pay us $12,000 or GTFO.
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May 24, 2017 22:30
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Make sure to diversify into tumbrels. True, need to diversify my investments that are a precursor to the coming purge.
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May 24, 2017 22:30
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No! Please no, its too much, save it for tomorrow! The news withdrawal will be so much worse on slow days, ahhhh!
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May 24, 2017 22:30
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Rigel posted:They are also putting their monolithic base to the test. Will their most loyal, active voters still say "fake news! MAGA" and vote GOP while the GOP is actively killing them to pay for tax cuts? I guess we'll see. Prepare for a lot of people voting against their own interests while justifying it with "the other system was bad too" plus a side of "they'll figure out how to fix it later." This will be followed by a lot of shocked people crying about how they got sick and it didn't work out for them, but then still voting a straight Republican ticket the next time they get a chance.
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Mister Adequate posted:Which is, of course, all why the only sane way to proceed is with a single-payer system. The contradictions inherent in a private healthcare system make it by definition unable to fulfill the functions of healthcare. At least with all the back and forth going on, "Just move to single payer" has moved from "  " to at minimum "Anything's better than someone trying a new tack at threatening my health care every three months."
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May 24, 2017 22:30
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America is such an exceptional place, we not only can't have socialized medicine we can't have it at all.
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May 24, 2017 22:31
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I was starting to think this week was gonna let me down.
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May 24, 2017 22:31
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Radish posted:Paul Ryan is literally the bad guy from Total Recall. Come on, Ryan! Give these people (health c)AIR!
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TGLT posted:Last election he won his district by about 35 points. So uh, have to be one hell of a wave to unseat him. Maybe a primary challenger?
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May 24, 2017 22:31
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And THIS is what I don't understand. Like, at all. The AHCA would cost less than the ACA does, but still a lot more than doing nothing at all like we were before. And yet this is basically returning us to pre-ACA uninsured levels, only now it costs a shitload to do the same as doing literally nothing?
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May 24, 2017 22:31
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fsif posted:Unfortunately, nearly twice as many people as the New York Times. I assume 80% of that is hotels
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May 24, 2017 22:32
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Prepare for a lot of people voting against their own interests while justifying it with "the other system was bad too" plus a side of "they'll figure out how to fix it later." This will be followed by a lot of shocked people crying about how they got sick and it didn't work out for them, but then still voting a straight Republican ticket the next time they get a chance. with any luck they'll never vote again!
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ReidRansom posted:And THIS is what I don't understand. Like, at all. It savagely cuts spending on health care to pay for massive tax cuts for the rich
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