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quote:WASHINGTON — American spies collected information last summer revealing that senior Russian intelligence and political officials were discussing how to exert influence over Donald J. Trump through his advisers, according to three current and former American officials familiar with the intelligence. 
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TyrantWD posted:The first order of business since retaking control of government is to yank healthcare away from the people who vote often, and vote for them in overwhelming numbers. Between the AHCA and Trump's budget, the GOP seem to be incredibly eager to put the Democrats back in power. These people voted them in with the GOP promising to do exactly this; do you really think this will change their minds?
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May 24, 2017 22:45
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Groovelord Neato posted:goddamn we need a second republic so loving BAD. I really look forward to what the new Constitution the Republicans would write if they got the chance.
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May 24, 2017 22:45
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Rigel posted:writer is a token female republican
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May 24, 2017 22:45
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glowing-fish posted:While it can be a problem in parts of Montana, I think that you are probably dealing with stereotypes there. as someone from the east coast, i don't believe the first city exists, the second is a made up city that sounds funny, and the third is what i imagine all cities in montana are named
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May 24, 2017 22:45
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loving disgusting. I should have slugged him in the face when I was working in Congress. 
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May 24, 2017 22:46
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stillvisions posted:These people voted them in with the GOP promising to do exactly this; do you really think this will change their minds? The Republicans lied in 2016 and said they wanted to get more people health insurance and reduce premiums all while keeping services.
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May 24, 2017 22:47
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stillvisions posted:These people voted them in with the GOP promising to do exactly this; do you really think this will change their minds? Republicans promised that they're magic plan would lower premiums and cover more, with less restrictions on use. Instead they delivered a plan where premiums cost more and cover less
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May 24, 2017 22:47
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evilweasel posted:as someone from the east coast, i don't believe the first city exists, the second is a made up city that sounds funny, and the third is what i imagine all cities in montana are named Sorry, Binghamton, New York, Toledo, Ohio, and Grand Rapids, Michigan. I am not an expert on the East Coast, the only one of those cities I've been to is Toledo.
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May 24, 2017 22:48
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Yeah Republicans had their backs up against the wall because the ACA was already the most conservative possible health plan that still functions at all. The GOP demanded nearly 200 amendments, essentially authoring the bill themselves, then refused to vote for it and immediately started attacking it.
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May 24, 2017 22:49
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stillvisions posted:These people voted them in with the GOP promising to do exactly this; do you really think this will change their minds? Actually, yes. The distorted promises of the GOP is fairly different from the reality of it staring them in the face.
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May 24, 2017 22:49
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glowing-fish posted:Sorry, Binghamton, New York, Toledo, Ohio, and Grand Rapids, Michigan. You think Ohio and Michigan are on the east coast? Wow, Montana has some bad schools.
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May 24, 2017 22:49
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FourLeaf posted:If I'm not mistaken they only have about 2 vulnerable Senate seats out of the 8 GOP seats up in 2018, so I agree that what they'll do is let the final vote be 50-50 + Pence as tiebreaker to get it passed and those two Senators can go home and say "I had concerns about the bill" and safely hang on to their seats. This guy gets it. There is no hope. What will happen is political theater. Just like with DeVos. I said it back when this past the house but it will pass the Senate unchanged. I will be right about this again. It will play out exactly as I said and everyone else will be shot it happened. Lote posted:This bill doesn't start saving money for the average premium until 2021 or after. In the meanwhile, premiums will increase +25% on top of any predicted Obamacare premium increases. The forecast is basically +50-70% premiums in 2020 from 2017 premiums. This will crush the Republican Party. White non-educated working class aged 50-64 went for Trump like 65/35. I'm sorry mate but you just don't get it. Do you know what's on the news right now? It isn't anything to do with the CBO. Right now they're talking about the Manchester incident. That's what's going to happen. Fox News and the right-wing media will never report on the problems. Trump voters only listen to the right-wing media. If people raise concerns they'll blame Democrats. The Republicans will be unaffected. It doesn't matter what Trump does or what the Republicans do because their voters are sheep and the Republicans know that period we're not dealing with intelligent life we're dealing with highly trained animals that are acting exactly as their masters want. That's all you're going to find in the head of a trump voter or republican in general. They are just animal they are not human. Do not expect anything related to empathy from them. Empathy comes from humans. Cruelty comes from Republicans. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 24, 2017 22:49
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Disturbing if true.
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May 24, 2017 22:49
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Trabisnikof posted:You're making the exact same "just world" style argument conservatives make. Maybe people are ignorant and desperate for reasons outside their control? No I'm not. I'm saying they are grown adults who are making decisions. They need to be treated like adults and not like children. The constant desperation to treat rural Americans (and ONLY rural Americans) as these poor snowflakes who are just so left behind and deserve the lightest of feather touches makes no sense. Their suffering deserves to be understood but it doesn't excuse them taking that suffering and using it as a barrier against criticism. Trabisnikof posted:Regardless, I don't really give a flying gently caress about excuses or whatever, the entire point is that they're not ideologically "nazi lovers" if they're voting out of ignorance or desperation. People who supported the Nazis didn't do it because they were cackling cartoon super-villains. (For the most part.) Desperation and ignorance and fear played into that as well. It doesn't change what they supported. They are absolutely ideologically Nazi lovers for the same reason. They want what it's offering, or enough of it that they're willing to look over people being hosed if they get it. (And of course the great irony and tragedy is they won't even get it.) Trabisnikof posted:Those ignorant voters can be wedged from the ideological Nazis by trying to educate them. Those desperate voters can be wedged from the ideological Nazis by trying to offer them better options. Things that drive down turnout from potential Republican voters help Democratic election chances and it is worth wedging as many of the non-Nazis as we can every time the Republicans do Nazi poo poo. How do you offer them education and better opinions if they have no access to it?
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May 24, 2017 22:50
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Yeah Republicans had their backs up against the wall because the ACA was already the most conservative possible health plan that still functions at all. The GOP demanded nearly 200 amendments, essentially authoring the bill themselves, then refused to vote for it and immediately started attacking it. Exactly why were they allowed to add all that poo poo when dems didn't need their votes? Stupidity?
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May 24, 2017 22:50
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Republican voter won't change, but their children who watched their grandparents die from this will.
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May 24, 2017 22:50
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Khisanth Magus posted:True, need to diversify my investments that are a precursor to the coming purge. I suggest torches and pitchforks. Guillotine futures are also unique in that it's good when they go up and even better when they come down. 
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May 24, 2017 22:50
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Captain Monkey posted:You think Ohio and Michigan are on the east coast? Wow, Montana has some bad schools. I know they don't directly touch the Atlantic, but they are very close to the East Coast, and there are no mountains or natural barriers. Its a short drive with no intervening mountains between Grand Rapids and New York City, so its pretty much the East Coast. If you look at Ohio and New York State, there is no real demographic difference between them. They are both states with no wilderness areas, no mountains, similar population densities, most of their population lives in a few megapolises. Also, states where people are parochial and backwards. If I am talking to someone from either state, I have to remember not to bite my tongue when they talk about mountains, and not to smirk condescendingly when they talk in conspirational whispers about buying marijuana. glowing-fish fucked around with this message at 22:53 on May 24, 2017 |
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May 24, 2017 22:51
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What? Against who? Is the US invading the Philippines?
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May 24, 2017 22:51
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Covok posted:That's all you're going to find in the head of a trump voter or republican in general. They are just animal they are not human. Do not expect anything related to empathy from them. Empathy comes from humans. Cruelty comes from Republicans. I genuinely can't tell if you're trolling or insane.
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May 24, 2017 22:51
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Covok posted:This guy gets it. There is no hope. What will happen is political theater. Just like with DeVos. I said it back when this past the house but it will pass the Senate unchanged. I will be right about this again. It will play out exactly as I said and everyone else will be shot it happened. then why did the first ahca bill fail if the republicans are masters of the political universe
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May 24, 2017 22:51
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RandomBlue posted:Exactly why were they allowed to add all that poo poo when dems didn't need their votes? Stupidity? It was during the misguided attempt to be appear bi-partisan to heal the "wounds" from the 2008 election. FizFashizzle posted:What? Against who? Iraq, third times the charm.
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May 24, 2017 22:52
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glowing-fish posted:I know they don't directly touch the Atlantic, but they are very close to the East Coast, and there are no mountains or natural barriers. Ok. This is a weird hill to die on though.
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May 24, 2017 22:52
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ImpAtom posted:No I'm not. I'm saying they are grown adults who are making decisions. They need to be treated like adults and not like children. The constant desperation to treat rural Americans (and ONLY rural Americans) as these poor snowflakes who are just so left behind and deserve the lightest of feather touches makes no sense. Their suffering deserves to be understood but it doesn't excuse them taking that suffering and using it as a barrier against criticism. Gotta go back an emphasize the special snowflake class are white rural americans. PoC trapped in rural poo poo stains get lumped together with their inner city cousins. This is america! Everything comes back to race, spite, or race-based-spite.
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May 24, 2017 22:52
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Captain Monkey posted:You think Ohio and Michigan are on the east coast? Wow, Montana has some bad schools. Also apparently 45k population Binghamton is a city.
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May 24, 2017 22:52
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glowing-fish posted:Sorry, Binghamton, New York, Toledo, Ohio, and Grand Rapids, Michigan. yeah i was just joking that we are way too self-absorbed to know what any city smaller than, like, Washington DC is unless it has a sports team in it
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May 24, 2017 22:52
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Covok posted:They are just animal they are not human. 
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May 24, 2017 22:52
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FizFashizzle posted:What? Against who? They decided it's cheaper and easier if they just kill all our poors right now. This time the war on drugs is literal.
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May 24, 2017 22:53
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They are, in a collective, one animal, you see. A giant pink elephant.
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May 24, 2017 22:53
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Uh who is getting a dose of freedom this time?
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May 24, 2017 22:53
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FizFashizzle posted:What? Against who? Presumably ISIS, and formally retiring the old AUMFs that are still kicking around from the Bush Administration.
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May 24, 2017 22:53
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:What the gently caress, WaPo: Must be her well-reasoned response to CNN's The ugly truth behind Saudi Arabia's love for Melania Trump.
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May 24, 2017 22:53
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Covok posted:This guy gets it. There is no hope. Jesus christ, shut the gently caress up, you lovely loving gimmick. I legitimately don't understand why you haven't just killed yourself already. You know what would be more useful than spending every day masturbating 'til your dick bleeds? loving working. On anything. Anything the gently caress at all. Do you write your congressman? Do you phonebank for progressive candidates? Volunteer at a soup kitchen? Pass out flyers? loving anything that would make anyone on the surface of this loving earth glad you exist? We've got life and death issues here and the only thing you're capable of talking about, incessantly, is how good you are at gargling your own cock. If all you've got to say in the midst of one of the most significant political periods in American history is "Appreciate the congrats" then just loving be honest with your worthless self for once and go join the GOP. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 24, 2017 22:53
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So wait is the CBO report fully out now? I cannot seem to find it...
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May 24, 2017 22:53
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Zil posted:It was during the misguided attempt to be appear bi-partisan to heal the "wounds" from the 2008 election. I was going to spell that out as an option but I figured it was covered by the stupidity option.
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May 24, 2017 22:54
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In the southeast, we just have one large, sprawling city that starts in atlanta and ends in the research triangle. there's lines on a map but it's mostly performative.
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May 24, 2017 22:54
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Um, what?
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May 24, 2017 22:54
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RandomBlue posted:Exactly why were they allowed to add all that poo poo when dems didn't need their votes? Stupidity? Trying to make the bill bipartisan to avoid, well, the last 7 years of heath care wars.
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Captain Monkey posted:Ok. It's not that we're dumb (well, it's not the reason we're dumb), we just don't care about useless trivia. It's east. Oh it's not directly on the water? okay
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