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A big flaming stink posted:you can't spend negative mana on mirror entity. And even if you did, all your creatures get like +15/+15 from every lord suddenly counting.  So: target Kira with Mangara. Finish it with Shauku. Kill Angel of Jubilation with Drana or something, or find a way to get rid of Avacyn and you can kill whatever you want. Go off. Alternatively get rid of the guy in the quoted post and the angel, wait a turn and don't pay any upkeep costs. suicidesteve fucked around with this message at 23:40 on May 24, 2017 |
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Molybdenum posted:Your own burning tree shaman would kill you without first activating abilities that gain you a lot of life. Tree of redemption I guess ?? No, it wouldn't. You have a Platinum Emperion. Your life total can't change.
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suicidesteve posted:Did nobody read the article? No
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Hellsau posted:Yes. Ok follow up. Does it also get sent to the graveyard when the attack is zero?
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Blizzy_Cow posted:Ok follow up. Does it also get sent to the graveyard when the attack is zero? No, zero power creatures can sit around just fine. They just don't deal damage when attacking or blocking, among other things. 
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Blizzy_Cow posted:Ok follow up. Does it also get sent to the graveyard when the attack is zero? Nope, it'll just deal zero damage. It can still die if a creature with a power equal or greater than the 0 power creature's toughness blocks it.
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You can even have creatures end up with negative power if they have enough penalties applied to them! Negative numbers are functionally zero for the purposes of doing damage (a creature with -2 power won't heal a player by attacking them, for instance), but it matters if another bonus tries to give them more power later or something. One key note is that creatures with no power don't assign combat damage and thus don't count as having dealt damage for the purposes of effects that care about these things. Suppose you attacked your opponent with a 0 power creature enchanted with this card:  Even if your opponent didn't block, you wouldn't get to draw a card because it never did damage. Stuff like deathtouch works the same way.
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So I can pay 6 for final judgement where looking at okagachi gets creatures exiled or I can play okagachi and get a bad vindicate on a creature. Make kamigawa great again Edit:. In my head I had okagachi on the same level as the three eldrazi Titans but this card seriously disappoints in that regard. Molybdenum fucked around with this message at 03:51 on May 25, 2017 |
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An insanely cool legendary that is actually just kinda garbage is absolutely very in-theme with Kamigawa. Glad to see wotc still knows what made that plane notable.
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Okay, what are you guys talking about?
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Veyrall posted:Okay, what are you guys talking about? http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/777087-c17-possible-leaks-real-fake-not-yet-determined       e: my guess is they're fake due to the low collectors number on Wasitora e2: or maybe gatherer doesn't actually sort by the actual collectors number for some goddamned reason Hellsau fucked around with this message at 04:15 on May 25, 2017 |
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Veyrall posted:Okay, what are you guys talking about? Unverified supposed Commander 2017 spoils    
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I could see 5 color dragons as a theme, but those all seem...just so bizarre and awful? Just...awful. Each of them. Just, like what? Cat dragon? Why? Why is Okagachi not indestructible? And the Ur-Dragon looks like a card an over-enthusiastic 9-year old would design.
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All I can think of is how adorable the Cat Dragon token is 
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Veyrall posted:I could see 5 color dragons as a theme, but those all seem...just so bizarre and awful? Just...awful. Each of them. Cat-Dragons are actually an old mtg lore thing. And Okagachi is presumably not indestructible because this is after That Which Was Taken was stolen from him. That said, 'if that player attacked you' wording makes me think this is pretty suss. ZeroCount fucked around with this message at 04:22 on May 25, 2017 |
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Okay, so apparently Nekoru is an actual figure in old magic lore, but even so... God I hope these are fake.
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the cat dragon token is too adorable to be real
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If it weren't fake, the token would indicate what colors it is 
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Cat Dragon. Unfortunately that token looks incredibly fake.
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Ur-Dragon is the dumbest card that still could be real I've seen in a while
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I feel like I've seen that art from Ur Dragon before. But yeah that cat dragon token proves they're fake.
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Anyone with SCG Premium have MIchael Majors' latest Death Shadow list?
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These seem fine for edh dragon decks and the first one is a completely reasonable card? What am I missing? idk don't play edh tho In other news, this weekend in cube I managed to beat a near ultimate JtMS and Elspeth Sun's Champ by taking a soldier token with v shackles, tapping it with opposition to tap another one, sac it to greater gargadon, swing with goblin dark dwellers which had flashed back ancestral recall, over and over. The game alone lasted an hour and was incredibly sweet. In another game I blocked a dragonlord atarka with a reveillark, bringing back a phantasmal image cloning the dragonlord and shot atarka for the rest and a lotus cobra. Tons of other cool plays as well. cube
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Mistaken For Bacon posted:If it weren't fake, the token would indicate what colors it is CITATION NEEDED
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Mistaken For Bacon posted:If it weren't fake, the token would indicate what colors it is  To the best of my knowledge this is the only real 3 color token in existence, but you may or may not count it as precedent E: Keep forgetting that mc.info is blocked Elyv fucked around with this message at 06:47 on May 25, 2017 |
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Pontius Pilate posted:These seem fine for edh dragon decks and the first one is a completely reasonable card? What am I missing? idk don't play edh tho Now, don't get me wrong. If you'd shown me the partner commanders as a leak, I'd have thought those were fake as poo poo too, because of how utterly weak they were. I could very well be wrong here and those could all be real cards and spoilers. It's just not likely. Edit: Also, I would submit "Wasitora, Nekoru Queen" as a candidate for worst loving name for a card in existance. It is 2/3rds made-up nonsense fantasy language and the whole card reads like bad fanfiction. Veyrall fucked around with this message at 06:34 on May 25, 2017 |
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Mistaken For Bacon posted:If it weren't fake, the token would indicate what colors it is They don't seem to do three color tokens that often, the last time I could find was the Beast token from Shards of Alara, and that doesn't appear to have any outward sign of its colors. Still not convinced though, that art looks super sketchy.
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To my recollection the #1 indicator a leak is real is that the art is new. I'm not sure I've ever seen a fake that had plausible original art on it
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I mean I think O-Kagachi and The Ur Dragon are cool, but that Cat Dragon token looks fake as gently caress.
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Veyrall posted:The first one is weird because Wizards is all about "resonance" and branding and since there's no pre-existing anything for cat dragons, it'd be weird as poo poo for them to bring it back now. There's no worse fanfiction than the real thing. Lone Goat fucked around with this message at 06:45 on May 25, 2017 |
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Commander has a history of having weird jank going on with it's original cards so while I don't know that they're real I wouldn't discount it due to awkward elements in the cards
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cheetah7071 posted:To my recollection the #1 indicator a leak is real is that the art is new. I'm not sure I've ever seen a fake that had plausible original art on it Edit: Also, the cat token has an artist credit to Cynthia Sheppard, but the token itself doesn't really look like her style. But then, she's also never done anything "cutesy" before either, and the pic is blurry. I just really, really hope these are fake, at least with different rules text. Veyrall fucked around with this message at 06:48 on May 25, 2017 |
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Okagachi not having divinity counters or indestructible is plausible because the whole reason the kami war started in the first place is because his source of both was stolen. To be honest, the fact that these both have original art and are such a deep cut of weird mtg old-lore makes me think they're real. If someone had shown me Oloro before he was released I'd have been sceptical too. I kind of want them to be fake though because 'literally every multicoloured dragon stuffed into a pile' is not my idea of an ideal tribal precon. 
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Veyrall posted:The first one is weird because Wizards is all about "resonance" and branding and since there's no pre-existing anything for cat dragons, it'd be weird as poo poo for them to bring it back now. Not impossible, but just bizarre. O-Kagachi breaks the traditional Kamigawa god-spirit mold by not having divinity counters or indestructible, on top of having an extremely weak effect and low stats for the cost. Again, not impossible, but super-weird. And finally, the Ur-Dragon is just a complete pile of abilities, including a keyworded version of Oloro's ability to affect things from the command zone, which makes sense, coupled with an absolutely bonkers card-advantage and battlefield advantage ability that might as well read "you win the game" because there's effectively no way for the opponent/s to make any kind of comeback from that. Again, not impossible, completely, but now we're three for three for cards that just don't seem right. It makes sense for them to jam tribes together for the tribal edh set just to hit a broader spectrum of players. And I'm pretty sure they think, rightly so, that a kamigawa callback doesn't need to follow the mechanics exactly. Re: pile of abilities see Samut; and yes the 9 drop is pretty damned good when you cast it and successfully attack with dragons. Still not comprehending why these seem implausible considering we've had a couple weird commander sets recently and Wizards. Pontius Pilate fucked around with this message at 06:57 on May 25, 2017 |
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Still waiting for someone to say "COLLECTOR NUMBER IS WRONG!!!!!!" for the Bad At Spotting Fakes trifecta
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Pontius Pilate posted:Still not comprehending why these seem implausible considering we've had a couple weird commander sets recently and Wizards.
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e: whoops For contentish: another point in favor of these being real is that commander sets are basically the only way they can do weird callbacks these days. Pontius Pilate fucked around with this message at 07:03 on May 25, 2017 |
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Lone Goat posted:Still waiting for someone to say "COLLECTOR NUMBER IS WRONG!!!!!!" for the Bad At Spotting Fakes trifecta Bit late on that, homie, though that might be because Gatherer is poo poo and I'm stupid for even trying to use it.
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They're probably real, and I say that mostly because I'll believe almost any reasonable leak after the mess that was colorless mana spoilers
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Hellsau posted:Bit late on that, homie, though that might be because Gatherer is poo poo and I'm stupid for even trying to use it. Missed your edit, and you should be using http://magiccards.info
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