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Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Just started putting base colors down on another squad of Emperor's Children. All the previews for 8th have gotten me really excited for Slamming Ham (especially Tyranids). This has definitely revitalized the local 40k scene, so I hope to convert more people to the true path of 30k.

I believe in you ForgeWorld! :pray:

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MasterSlowPoke
Oct 9, 2005

Our courage will pull us through

BULBASAUR posted:

Dear thread. What house rule should we institute to address Panascope's constant blatant cheating?

Invite him over for a game, then call a company to have his car towed while he's distracted.

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

MasterSlowPoke posted:

Invite him over for a game, then call a company to have his car towed while he's distracted.

Hixson's ham dungeon is within staggering distance of my house. I've covered all possibilities.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
panascope's cheating: the 30k thread decides

ZachAttack
Mar 17, 2009

Malevolent Hatform
Nap Ghost

BULBASAUR posted:

panascope's cheating: the 30k thread decides

Hire a woman to wear a dress and tear stained mascara. Have her scream inconsolably outside of his house and spray-paint CHEATER on the hood of his car.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

All I wanna do is make you bounce

BULBASAUR posted:

panascope's cheating: the 30k thread decides

Fulgrim's pear, but with a Kharybdis Assault Claw.

tallkidwithglasses
Feb 7, 2006
Tell panascopes kid that daddy drinks so much because he can't win little mans games fairly.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
If we catch him cheating he can only move his units using the scatter dice.

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

BULBASAUR posted:

If we catch him cheating he can only move his units using the scatter dice.

The punishment fits the crime.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Mango Polo posted:

Keep in mind the Templars-Brethren with their swords are going to get even meaner.

I'm more worried about power fists appearing to strike first on the charge. A squad of vanilla terminators with fists charging out of a raider will be a big problem.

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

JBP posted:

I'm more worried about power fists appearing to strike first on the charge. A squad of vanilla terminators with fists charging out of a raider will be a big problem.
I was going to make a lightning claw Terminator command squad, but now I'm waiting to see their rules. I may not even need the chainfist I was going to toss in there.
:getin:

Alternatively, I'm waiting to see their rules so I can just give them all powerfists instead because it turns out lightning claws are garbage. :v:

chutche2
Jul 3, 2010

CUPOLA MY BALLS

JBP posted:

I'm more worried about power fists appearing to strike first on the charge. A squad of vanilla terminators with fists charging out of a raider will be a big problem.

It won't be that bad, they'll hit on 4s instead of the 3s that stuff like force weapons will hit at, and will still have a fairly low volume of attacks. I don't believe you get extra attacks for charging anymore, I think it was mentioned on their facebook. So like, against a boxnaught you're swinging 10 times, hitting 5 times, wounding 2.5 times, and it gets a 6+ save. You'll still wound T4 guys on a 2+, but the new wound rolls means T5 and 6 are wounded on a 3+ now. Against single wound targets being swung at by a power fist isn't much worse than being swung at by a power sword. It has a definite edge vs multiwound models but the lower accuracy is a big enough deal that there's room for lightning claws to still win out against lower toughness targets through accuracy, rending, and volume of attacks.

chutche2 fucked around with this message at 00:44 on May 23, 2017

Broken Record Talk
Jul 28, 2009

A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.

JBP posted:

I'm more worried about power fists appearing to strike first on the charge. A squad of vanilla terminators with fists charging out of a raider will be a big problem.

To be fair though, they SHOULD be a big problem; they're the most elite infantry in one of the most elite factions in the fluff.

It's about time vanilla Terminators had their time in the sun. I mean, when was the last time you saw a vanilla Terminator squad in game? I've seen less vanilla Terminators than I've seen Tyranid Warriors.

Edit: thought I was in the 40k thread. Whatever.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Broken Record Talk posted:

To be fair though, they SHOULD be a big problem; they're the most elite infantry in one of the most elite factions in the fluff.

It's about time vanilla Terminators had their time in the sun. I mean, when was the last time you saw a vanilla Terminator squad in game? I've seen less vanilla Terminators than I've seen Tyranid Warriors.

I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying I am worried about my guys having their heads punched off.

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you

BULBASAUR posted:

Dear thread. What house rule should we institute to address Panascope's constant blatant cheating?

Dip the last model of his that he touched into a barrel of acetone like that shoe from Roger Rabbit

tallkidwithglasses
Feb 7, 2006

adamantium|wang posted:

Dip the last model of his that he touched into a barrel of acetone like that shoe from Roger Rabbit

SW WA crowd gives not a poo poo about the state of their models. They're all beautifully made but they laugh as they smash them against walls and garage floors.

Anyway, feedback on a 2k Ironwing list I'm thinking about trying out this week please:

+++ 2k ironwing (1995pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List (Age of Darkness) (1995pts) ++

+ HQ (120pts) +

Legion Centurion (120pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon (35pts), Melta Bombs (5pts), Terranic Greatsword (15pts)]
Consul, Independent Character
····I: Dark Angels, Legiones Astartes
····May be upgraded to one of these Consul roles: (15pts)
········Delegatus (15pts) [Master Crafted Weapon]
········Master Craftrd
············Rite of Command
················Master of the Legion [Ironwing Protocol]

+ Troops (400pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (200pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade (20pts)]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant (20pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Calibanite War Blade (10pts)]

Legion Tactical Squad (200pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade (20pts)]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant (20pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Calibanite War Blade (10pts)]


+ Elites (775pts) +

Legion Terminator Squad (515pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 2x Chainfist (20pts), Legion Spartan Assault Tank (305pts), Legion Terminator Sergeant, 4x Legion Terminators (120pts), 3x Power Fist (15pts)]

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (260pts) [9x Legion Veteran Space Marines (108pts), 2x Melta Gun (30pts)]
····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (50pts) [Multi-melta (15pts)]
····Legion Veteran Sergeant (20pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Calibanite War Blade (10pts)]

+ Fast Attack (395pts) +

Legion Seeker Squad (395pts) [Legion Land Raider Proteus (180pts), 7x Legion Seeker Space Marines (140pts)]

+ Heavy Support (305pts) +

Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (115pts)

Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer (190pts)

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



tallkidwithglasses posted:

Anyway, feedback on a 2k Ironwing list I'm thinking about trying out this week please:

+++ 2k ironwing (1995pts) +++


Play a good Legion.

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

Your two troops choices are just 10 tac marines on foot? Those won't last long.

tallkidwithglasses
Feb 7, 2006

panascope posted:

Your two troops choices are just 10 tac marines on foot? Those won't last long.

They're in rhinos, because it's Ironwing. Vets in a rhino and termies in a Spartan can also score.

E: looks like I deleted and pasted battlescribe wrong. Tacs in rhinos!

Hixson
Mar 27, 2009

tallkidwithglasses posted:

They're in rhinos, because it's Ironwing. Vets in a rhino and termies in a Spartan can also score.

E: looks like I deleted and pasted battlescribe wrong. Tacs in rhinos!

Have you considered using vets instead??

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

tallkidwithglasses posted:

Anyway, feedback on a 2k Ironwing list I'm thinking about trying out this week please:

+++ 2k ironwing (1995pts) +++

++ Legiones Astartes: Age of Darkness Army List (Age of Darkness) (1995pts) ++

+ HQ (120pts) +

Legion Centurion (120pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon (35pts), Melta Bombs (5pts), Terranic Greatsword (15pts)]
Consul, Independent Character
····I: Dark Angels, Legiones Astartes
····May be upgraded to one of these Consul roles: (15pts)
········Delegatus (15pts) [Master Crafted Weapon]
········Master Craftrd
············Rite of Command
················Master of the Legion [Ironwing Protocol]

+ Troops (400pts) +

Legion Tactical Squad (200pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade (20pts)]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant (20pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Calibanite War Blade (10pts)]

Legion Tactical Squad (200pts) [9x Legion Tactical Space Marines (90pts), Take an additional Chainsword or Combat Blade (20pts)]
····Legion Tactical Sergeant (20pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Calibanite War Blade (10pts)]


+ Elites (775pts) +

Legion Terminator Squad (515pts) [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, 2x Chainfist (20pts), Legion Spartan Assault Tank (305pts), Legion Terminator Sergeant, 4x Legion Terminators (120pts), 3x Power Fist (15pts)]

Legion Veteran Tactical Squad (260pts) [9x Legion Veteran Space Marines (108pts), 2x Melta Gun (30pts)]
····Legion Rhino Armoured Carrier (50pts) [Multi-melta (15pts)]
····Legion Veteran Sergeant (20pts) [Artificer Armour (10pts), Calibanite War Blade (10pts)]

+ Fast Attack (395pts) +

Legion Seeker Squad (395pts) [Legion Land Raider Proteus (180pts), 7x Legion Seeker Space Marines (140pts)]

+ Heavy Support (305pts) +

Legion Whirlwind Scorpius (115pts)

Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer (190pts)
Is there any chance you can swap the terminator squad and their spartan for a terminator command squad and a land raider? It's not like you really need the capacity and you'll save a good chunk of points. This will let you slap multi-meltas on your tactical squads' rhinos and you could even nab some speeders or something. You have enough tanks for one more non-tank unit and your lack of dreadnoughts is disheartening.

I know seekers seem like they'd be really cool in Ironwing, but I don't know if it's worth giving them a proteus or running them without combi-weapons. I'd probably just take vets with two acid bolters instead. Speaking of which, I don't know if your vets need meltaguns if you get melta on all of your rhinos, give them acid bolters instead.

Finally, whatever the gently caress format you copied and pasted out of is terrible.

tallkidwithglasses
Feb 7, 2006

Safety Factor posted:

Is there any chance you can swap the terminator squad and their spartan for a terminator command squad and a land raider? It's not like you really need the capacity and you'll save a good chunk of points. This will let you slap multi-meltas on your tactical squads' rhinos and you could even nab some speeders or something. You have enough tanks for one more non-tank unit and your lack of dreadnoughts is disheartening.

I know seekers seem like they'd be really cool in Ironwing, but I don't know if it's worth giving them a proteus or running them without combi-weapons. I'd probably just take vets with two acid bolters instead. Speaking of which, I don't know if your vets need meltaguns if you get melta on all of your rhinos, give them acid bolters instead.

Finally, whatever the gently caress format you copied and pasted out of is terrible.

Ok, cutting termies and Spartan, putting in foot leviathan and another squad of vets in a melta rhino. Trimmed CCWs off mareens, acid bolters for vets.

HQ: centurion with terranic sword, 95 pts

Troops: 360 pts
2x 10 man tac squads in rhinos, sergeant with artificer and a calibanite blade

Elites: 570 pts
2x 10 man vet squads in melta rhinos, 2x acid bolters, sergeant with artificer, melta bombs, and a calibanite blade

Fast attack: 375 pts
6x seekers in a proteus

Heavy support: 600 pts
Whirlwind Scorpius

Sicaran Venator

Leviathan dread with graviton and drill

2000 on the nose.

ZachAttack
Mar 17, 2009

Malevolent Hatform
Nap Ghost

Safety Factor posted:

Is there any chance you can swap the terminator squad and their spartan for a terminator command squad and a land raider? It's not like you really need the capacity and you'll save a good chunk of points. This will let you slap multi-meltas on your tactical squads' rhinos and you could even nab some speeders or something. You have enough tanks for one more non-tank unit and your lack of dreadnoughts is disheartening.

I know seekers seem like they'd be really cool in Ironwing, but I don't know if it's worth giving them a proteus or running them without combi-weapons. I'd probably just take vets with two acid bolters instead. Speaking of which, I don't know if your vets need meltaguns if you get melta on all of your rhinos, give them acid bolters instead.

Finally, whatever the gently caress format you copied and pasted out of is terrible.

Yea but think of all the cupolas he would need for those Multi Meltas.

tallkidwithglasses
Feb 7, 2006

ZachAttack posted:

Yea but think of all the cupolas he would need for those Multi Meltas.

Don't worry, I just put the pintles in the existing cupolas like an animal.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
Show of hands. Who's excited for 7.5 this weekend?

chutche2
Jul 3, 2010

CUPOLA MY BALLS

BULBASAUR posted:

Show of hands. Who's excited for 7.5 this weekend?

7.5?

Broken Record Talk
Jul 28, 2009

A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.

BULBASAUR posted:

Show of hands. Who's excited for 7.5 this weekend?

Raises a template.

tallkidwithglasses
Feb 7, 2006

FW is announcing what they're doing with HH this weekend and BULBASAUR is an optimist that is still clinging to his templates and vehicle facings.

Mango Polo
Aug 4, 2007

tallkidwithglasses posted:

FW is announcing what they're doing with HH this weekend and BULBASAUR is an optimist that is still clinging to his templates and vehicle facings.

It's going to be beautiful.

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer
Incoming murder suicide. :rip: all you PNW hams.

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

A second template has hit Seattle

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
I'm going to ride the ironfire all the way down

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

All I wanna do is make you bounce
Second match against Salamanders, quick notes:

- Marksmen Vets are so absurdly good it's not funny, especially with heavy bolters.

- He got real salty when he realized that losing a Sweeping Advance roll in 30k meant that his entire Tac + Apothecary blob got wiped out. I tried not to gloat but I'm only human.

- Legion Medusa, I love you, let's run away to Olympia together.

- War of Lies, man. Fuckin' War of Lies. You think you've got this sewn up and the variable score objectives gently caress you bad.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
With war of lies I feel you gotta focus either heavy on the primary objectives or heavy on the secondary objectives. It's when you have 1 VP and one random objective on the last turn that things get really hairy.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Vehicle facing didn't even occur to me. What a poo poo rule change.

krursk
Sep 11, 2001

Your anguish sustains me.

JBP posted:

Vehicle facing didn't even occur to me. What a poo poo rule change.

Streamlined for more tactical play!

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

PantsOptional posted:

- Marksmen Vets are so absurdly good it's not funny, especially with heavy bolters.
Now imagine them with heavy bolters that always wound on a 2+ and have AP D6. Dark Angels :pcgaming:

It's basically all we have. :smith: Well, and all the swords.


JBP posted:

Vehicle facing didn't even occur to me. What a poo poo rule change.
I keep hoping that there's something in the ruleset like shooting a vehicle in its rear facing gives +1 to wound or something along those lines. I'm not really expecting it at this point.

I honestly think that removal of any sort of bonus for outmaneuvering your opponent is a dumb idea. I am especially not a fan of returning to old-style wound allocation where the owning player chooses. Positional wound allocation didn't slow the game down that much and rewarded smart flanking. Without that, it's just kind of :geno: I mean, I played in 3rd, 4th, and 5th. I know what it's like and it's stupid when every single unit always gets pared down to its sergeants and specialists or when a horde is removing models from the back.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Unifying the stat blocks is going to lead to a smoother game ultimately. Removing the facing is a reaction to chariot drifting.

Ghazk
May 11, 2007

I can see EVERYTHING

tallkidwithglasses posted:

Ok, cutting termies and Spartan, putting in foot leviathan and another squad of vets in a melta rhino. Trimmed CCWs off mareens, acid bolters for vets.

HQ: centurion with terranic sword, 95 pts

Troops: 360 pts
2x 10 man tac squads in rhinos, sergeant with artificer and a calibanite blade

Elites: 570 pts
2x 10 man vet squads in melta rhinos, 2x acid bolters, sergeant with artificer, melta bombs, and a calibanite blade

Fast attack: 375 pts
6x seekers in a proteus

Heavy support: 600 pts
Whirlwind Scorpius

Sicaran Venator

Leviathan dread with graviton and drill

2000 on the nose.

It might be too much to add at this point, but I like my seeker squads to have more than a cupola combi-plas, and their proteus to have an augury web and multi melta. Makes them a major threat to anything on turn 1.

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DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.

BULBASAUR posted:

I'm going to ride the ironfire all the way down

The only way to ham. With Ironfire and Phosphex, we commend you to the depths.

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