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Yeah the factional struggle is less about changing talking points and more about disrupting good-ol-boy networks. MA is as blue as blue gets and Bernifying our state-level government would be a Sisyphean ordeal (although at least our congressmen and senators are mostly good) (except the one being primaried by Brianna Wu) (which makes me re-lol every time I remember it) GalacticAcid posted:giannnopofortissimo lost some of his major newspaper endorsements I wanna be encouraged by this but it's just too late to matter plus in this worst of all timelines of course Rob Quist will lose the day after his opponent is charged with assaulting a reporter
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SKULL.GIF posted:Heitkamp supporting Pruitt is primary worthy and I don't care one single bit about how hard it is to win in a red state. resource extraction is a big part of North Dakota's economy, and the slow death of the fossil fuel industries are hitting the state economy pretty hard. good look electing someone who campaigns on "I think oil and coal companies should be more heavily regulated" there
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can't slam the giant fort fam
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May 25, 2017 17:23
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Remember when the senate was supposed to turn blue
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/eschor/status/867777463618867201 Oh so $15 an hour sounds good once Dems have lost every seat of power across our wide nation  Welcome to the dark side
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May 25, 2017 17:57
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senate will magically have 3 bad centrist dems pull out at the last minute so we'll get like 9 dollars instead
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May 25, 2017 17:59
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hello this is me ama https://twitter.com/pebo4u/status/867779022654189568
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May 25, 2017 18:00
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did pelosi/reid ever commit to obama's $10.10 proposal cuz it'd be lol af if they ignored him but jumped on the sanders bandwagon
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May 25, 2017 18:02
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I thought we still had really bad odds of winning anything in 2018 let alone taking the House
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May 25, 2017 18:04
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loquacius posted:I thought we still had really bad odds of winning anything in 2018 let alone taking the House (thats why pelosi is jumping on the bandwagon, she wont have to follow thru)
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May 25, 2017 18:05
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loquacius posted:I thought we still had really bad odds of winning anything in 2018 let alone taking the House That was before trump created his own Watergate and dems are winning in r+15 districts
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May 25, 2017 18:06
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got any sevens posted:(thats why pelosi is jumping on the bandwagon, she wont have to follow thru) Well if they win miracle bigly they might follow through because the hail Mary clearly worked
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Raskolnikov38 posted:did pelosi/reid ever commit to obama's $10.10 proposal cuz it'd be lol af if they ignored him but jumped on the sanders bandwagon idk about reid but schumer and pelosi both did iirc. it wasn't very loud or front-and-center because dems were still on their "we can win elections without promising anything because demographics are destiny and the republicans will always be worse" thing
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May 25, 2017 18:13
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loquacius posted:I thought we still had really bad odds of winning anything in 2018 let alone taking the House Senate is bigly hosed, house could go anywhere with enough of a wave. Midterms are bad for Dems generally though.
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Remember when the senate was supposed to turn blue I remember when they won 2 seats and liberals saw it as an unprecedented victory lol
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Vox Nihili posted:Senate is bigly hosed, house could go anywhere with enough of a wave. Midterms are bad for Dems generally though. it's not just midterms, it's all off-presidential elections that dems have done badly in for the past few decades. however the recent special elections have been going pretty good for them post-trumpocalypse so far so something may have changed.
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loquacius posted:I thought we still had really bad odds of winning anything in 2018 let alone taking the House The house is always up for reelection but the senate map isn't favorable in 2018. The way the GOP has gerrymandered itself though makes them very vulnerable to a wave election. Gerrymandering it supposed to give you reliable seats....so long as your party doesn't drop in the polls by 14 points
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Business Gorillas posted:That was before trump created his own Watergate and dems are winning in r+15 districts r+15 state legislative districts which obama won twice
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May 25, 2017 18:27
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This thread being salty about the democrats adopting exactly what you want them to will never stop being funny
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May 25, 2017 18:32
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Is the 15 pegged to inflation? Because it should be.
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the thing is though that the democrats have a long history of, as one somewhat notable dem politician has stated it, holding both a public and private position
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zegermans posted:This thread being salty about the democrats adopting exactly what you want them to will never stop being funny It's more not trusting that they'll actually follow through, and that this is just craven opportunism that'll get discarded the moment the electoral crisis has passed and donor dollars are secure once more.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's more not trusting that they'll actually follow through, and that this is just craven opportunism that'll get discarded the moment the electoral crisis has passed and donor dollars are secure once more.
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May 25, 2017 18:37
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Spergymans: Big Left isn't giving poor Dems fair treatment 
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Is the 15 pegged to inflation? Because it should be. iirc it is, and it's bumped to 15 over several years instead of a single bump
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May 25, 2017 18:39
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zegermans posted:This thread being salty about the democrats adopting exactly what you want them to will never stop being funny Lol if you give them what they want before they sign it into law.
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just lmao that this thread wont trust a bunch of duplicitous whores who have repeatedly sold out any values they proclaim to have to the highest bidder
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Shattered Out Of Context continues:quote:Matt Paul, who rode in the motorcade to Drake, believed he’d done everything he could have for Hillary. The caucuses were a test of Sanders’s message and momentum against Hillary’s superior organization. He had spoken to Hillary and Bill countless times about that question. Could Sanders win purely on energy and enthusiasm? In the final several weeks, Sanders’s campaign began to build the infrastructure to match the sentiment that had captured the hearts of liberal, young, and politically unaffiliated Iowans. To counter Sanders, the Clinton team focused on making sure that every ally heard from a top campaign official five or six times over the course of the caucus season—and on training precinct captains to master the intricacies of the complex caucus process. “Had we not had every single organizer that we had, had we not reached out to every possible group or every newly elected person or every advocacy community, we would have lost,” said one Clinton adviser. “The current was that strong against us. At the end, it was all that muscle.” Mook’s field operation had been just strong enough to withstand Bernie, but not by the margin his analytics team had predicted and not by enough to quiet his critics. He was flying very close to the sun. Bernie would have won... if he had had more time. Fortunately that's exactly what he and the other progressives in this country have been doing since 11/9, continuing on working to swell this wave and flip seats and push for real change instead of waiting for Obama to do it for us and inevitably being disappointed.
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May 25, 2017 18:51
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Is the 15 pegged to inflation? Because it should be. it is, and its raised by a dollar per year until 15$. the bill also gets rid of paying people under 20 less than min. wage
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SKULL.GIF posted:Shattered Out Of Context continues: i mean that was pretty much my thought as well. bernie should have done something to gain name recognition a few months before he ran. in the end i think not making himself visible until he launched his campaign was his greatest undoing and his own fault.
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anime was right posted:i mean that was pretty much my thought as well. bernie should have done something to gain name recognition a few months before he ran. in the end i think not making himself visible until he launched his campaign was his greatest undoing and his own fault. In all honesty, I think at the beginning he didn't realize just how weak a candidate Hillary truly was, or that his ideas would resonate as strongly as they have (he has been more or less saying the same thing for decades, after all). Expecting that his role would be just to provide leftward pressure on a strong candidate, he was caught off-guard by his own success and had to scramble to improvise larger efforts.
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anime was right posted:i mean that was pretty much my thought as well. bernie should have done something to gain name recognition a few months before he ran. in the end i think not making himself visible until he launched his campaign was his greatest undoing and his own fault.  He only ran in the first place because nobody else from the left wing ran. I think he was operating under the assumption that (say) Warren was going to run until it became clear late in the game that no such thing would happen and he'd have to do it himself. His biggest mistake was not preparing earlier for that possibility.
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