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Advice: Buy a Madone like a real man/woman.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcepG9Twa_8 NIO EP9 on the Ring. 06:45:90. Sounds like direct drive all the way.
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May 16, 2017 21:40
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I have heard the future, and it is gear whine.
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May 17, 2017 23:51
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MrYenko posted:I have heard the future, and it is gear whine. So weird that they didn't pick more quiet drive train components or add sound deadening or even upholstery to a purpose built track car.
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May 18, 2017 12:26
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So a spec sheet for the Model 3 leaked. Per Autoblog:
The basic gist is it's going to be a de-contented, smaller Model S.
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May 25, 2017 16:25
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I'm curious to see where the eventual AWD one will land in price/performance once they start making them.
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May 25, 2017 16:30
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If we guesstimate an ideal consuption of 230Wh/mile, 215 miles range means a 50 kWh pack. 60 kWh if you figure 280 Wh/mile, which is easily achievable in a Model S. So by that logic I'm kind of leaning towards 50, but it would be absurd if Tesla launches a 50 after GM's 60.
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May 25, 2017 16:36
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Where did I get it in my head that they were aiming for 300miles+ range at base?
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May 25, 2017 16:42
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El Grillo posted:Where did I get it in my head that they were aiming for 300miles+ range at base? I had that idea too, for some reason, but I think I might have been confusing it with the intended sub-$30,000 base price. Speaking of which, have they specified exactly what you get for the lowest possible price? Is that gonna be just the strippo model that they legally have to have one of in stock but when you get to the dealership the boss's son already bought it every single time? Thwomp posted:
So compared to the Bolt, it's moderately quicker (vs 6.3s to 60), has a marginally shorter rated range (vs 238 miles), is twenty inches (!) longer (vs 164in), and has 20% less cargo space (vs 17 cubic feet).
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May 25, 2017 17:02
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Sagebrush posted:I had that idea too, for some reason, but I think I might have been confusing it with the intended sub-$30,000 base price. Base price is $35000. Unless you were including tax rebate.
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May 25, 2017 17:48
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ClassH posted:Base price is $35000. Unless you were including tax rebate. I think it's always advertised net of tax rebate.
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May 25, 2017 18:39
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Thwomp posted:So a spec sheet for the Model 3 leaked. Per Autoblog: It's also been revealed that, contrary to previous speculation, Tesla will use a brand new platform for the Model Y instead of reusing the Model 3 platform. Hopefully, this means they'll be offer to offer more cargo space and/or battery power than would reasonably fit on the Model 3 chassis. Hopefully, this won't also drive up the price too much.
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May 26, 2017 02:33
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Sagebrush posted:I had that idea too, for some reason, but I think I might have been confusing it with the intended sub-$30,000 base price. The 3 being all those things, also looks (imo), 100% better. This is GM's flagship EV and that's the best poo poo they can roll out visual design wise? poo poo. In other news, I am closing in on an i3 w/ Range Extender and some type of oddly named premium package that comes with the fun wood interiors. The motorcycle esque tires have me a little concerned, handling wise. But all in all, the car seems stout.
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May 26, 2017 04:10
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I looked at the rumors for the 18 leaf and now I can't wait to trade in my 2011.
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May 26, 2017 04:13
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The Sicilian posted:The motorcycle esque tires have me a little concerned, handling wise. But all in all, the car seems stout. I think sport motorcycle tires would have better grip tbh. The class you're looking at for the i3 is "wagon wheel"
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May 26, 2017 04:41
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I thought this was pretty impressive. Model X towing a trailer with a boat, 5000 lbs. Total weight around 5 tons, overtaking other cars going uphill. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op2JZi7zMbM
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May 28, 2017 09:50
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It lost 80km of range in 13km. I wonder how much it would recover going back down.
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May 28, 2017 10:16
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Powershift posted:It lost 80km of range in 13km. I wonder how much it would recover going back down. Yeah the consumption is pretty wild. Something you don't see as plainly when doing the same thing in a fossil car. It can regen max 50 kW and it uses way more than 50 kW uphill, plus aero and heat works against you both ways, so it would not recover anywhere near the same amount.
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May 28, 2017 11:33
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Ola posted:Yeah the consumption is pretty wild. Something you don't see as plainly when doing the same thing in a fossil car. It can regen max 50 kW and it uses way more than 50 kW uphill, plus aero and heat works against you both ways, so it would not recover anywhere near the same amount. Also, you shouldn't think about regen like that. Regen is icing on the cake, the cake is driving up hill and then coasting down the other side. As long as the starting and ending elevations are the same, there won't be very much loss compared to doing the same distance on a flat road. Sure it takes 2x more energy to get to the top of the hill, but then it takes 2x less energy to come back down. Regen is only to be used to keep you from exceeding a target speed or from hitting other traffic, otherwise the most efficient driving style downhill is to coast in neutral.
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May 28, 2017 17:18
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When grades are moderate, up/down mostly cancel. When the slope is steep enough, you can be at max regen and overshooting your desired speed. At that point, you’re wasting energy in drag and/or the friction brakes.
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May 28, 2017 18:31
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If anyone can deal with the limitations of a Leaf and needs a new car, now may be the time to buy if you're in a state that stacks state rebates with utility company discounts like Colorado. I got one for a bit more than $4,500 before sales tax and after federal tax credit because it had the poo poo kicked out of it with a bunch of hail, but you can get undamaged ones for $7.5-8k around here after all credits/rebates. I can light this car on fire after five years and it will have paid for itself, even with our low gas prices and $0.11/kWh electricity. Also, re: slopes: if you're in CO, get up to the top of Mt. Evans (elevation: 14k+ ft, highest paved road in North America) and see how much you regen on the way down. I was able to make it to the top with 5% SOC, and ended up in Denver 35+ miles away with 20% SOC call to action fucked around with this message at 01:10 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 01:03
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call to action posted:$0.11/kWh electricity Cherish that.
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Subjunctive posted:Cherish that. Nah, I'll cherish my $0.08/kWh off-peak rate instead 
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May 31, 2017 01:27
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Mine is even cheaper... (Duke Energy in Indiana) 9 cents for the first 300kWh, 5 cents for the next 700kWh, and 4 cents for every kWh over 1,000. This applies to all single-phase residential service. There are some additional riders that make it more like 10.5, 6.5, and 5.5 respectively and an $9.50 connection charge. Peak/Off-peak and time of use is not even an option here. I would imagine this is because none of the utilities are allowed to use Smart meters. The state regulatory commission just recently (a year ago) approved Duke and other utilities to use smart meters. So I would imagine such pricing schemes will eventually be available.
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May 31, 2017 03:00
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call to action posted:Nah, I'll cherish my $0.08/kWh off-peak rate instead Ohio, $0.05 all the time. I honestly couldn't even tell when we started charging the volt full time, even multiple times a day. ClassH fucked around with this message at 15:57 on May 31, 2017 |
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May 31, 2017 15:15
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My $0.26 CAD ($0.20 US) kWh are sad-making.
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May 31, 2017 15:46
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0.00/kWh, I get free electricity from work (enough for the round trip), and only charge maybe twice a month out of the garage. Owns.
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May 31, 2017 16:01
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Yeah, when I lived in California I didn't even have a charger at home for the first 6 months. Charging at work and superchargers worked just fine.
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May 31, 2017 16:55
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Am I the only one that favors the Hyundai IONIQ? Looks good (shame about the lack of a grill though), seems good, good price.
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May 31, 2017 18:09
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MrOnBicycle posted:Am I the only one that favors the Hyundai IONIQ? Looks good (shame about the lack of a grill though), seems good, good price. Nope, I think it seems like a great choice, particularly for regular commutes and home charging, although a screaming deal on a Leaf like call to action describes might be too good to pass if range requirements are low. It charges faster than the Bolt as well, if you can find a CSS charger that delivers more than 50 kW. It could do with a wrap of sorts over the non-grill.
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May 31, 2017 18:22
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Had to see what a maxed out one costs here. It's $43k (after our government discounts), a bit high for something that I'd imagine would be a bit plasticy. Still my favourite of the current non Tesla EV cars though. Might have to go and test drive one actually.
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May 31, 2017 18:42
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Set to cruise at 26 mph, the Bolt can do 387 miles on one charge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EaEvIqaj4k
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May 31, 2017 21:06
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Pretty interesting study by the Swedish Environmental Research Institute about the CO2 emissions of electric cars: http://www.ivl.se/download/18.5922281715bdaebede95a9/1496136143435/C243.pdf Exerpt from conclusion: quote:How large are the energy use and greenhouse emissions related to the production of lithium-ion batteries? The results from different assessments vary due to a number of factors including battery design, inventory data, modelling and manufacturing. Based on our review greenhouse gas emissions of 150-200 kg CO2-eq/kWh battery looks to correspond to the greenhouse gas burden of current battery production. Energy use for battery manufacturing with current technology is about 350–650 MJ/kWh battery. But that's how it is currently, they emphasize that with better technology and more non-fossil electricity it'll go down. Like using the electricity "mix" we have in Sweden would reduce it massively.
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Jun 3, 2017 15:41
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If anyone here is interested in more of a DIY EV, EVTV has a great deal on a Siemens electric motor: http://store.evtv.me/proddetail.php?prod=1PV5135
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Jun 3, 2017 18:31
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Anybody interested in the Tesla solar roof?
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Jun 4, 2017 02:49
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CharlesM posted:Anybody interested in the Tesla solar roof? Sort of? They don't give you enough info to make an informed decision, and what they do give you makes it look incredibly uneconomical compared to a more traditional setup.
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Jun 4, 2017 03:04
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Do the solar roofs use that newfangled perovskite solar panel technology? Or is that poo poo too new?
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Jun 4, 2017 03:12
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I'm interested enough to give it a serious look the next time I need a new roof but not interested enough to think about replacing my roof early.
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Jun 4, 2017 18:51
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bull3964 posted:I'm interested enough to give it a serious look the next time I need a new roof but not interested enough to think about replacing my roof early. This is the great big asterisk for me. My roof is currently fine, but probably not going to last to 2028, so I'm in their market, but I don't have a reason to pull the trigger just yet.
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I ran their estimator; the savings on my house was over negative $20k. Doesn't seem like a good deal for me.
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