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s.i.r.e. posted:The guy that goes into the spoopy dungeon with the large alien, flowering nutsacks that open up to expose their living flesh interiors and then peers into them isn't dumb? lol Excuse mne, it's a large alien, flowering vagina 
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s.i.r.e. posted:The guy that goes into the spoopy dungeon with the large alien, flowering nutsacks that open up to expose their living flesh interiors and then peers into them isn't dumb? lol Nope. Like I said, my child, he's a man of doubt in a position of authority. He's a brow beaten figure looking for alleviation from his faith, which is why he willingly follows David below into The devil waits to embrace you with open arms. E: I wonder what other Catholics think of this movie. As a man of faith, I adore it with all my heart.
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May 26, 2017 02:56
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Hodgepodge posted:Excuse mne, it's a large alien, flowering vagina My mistake. ruddiger posted:Nope. Like I said, my child, he's a man of doubt in a position of authority. He's a brow beaten figure looking for alleviation from his faith, which is why he willingly follows David below into Sounds like a moron to me. For the "Giger's Alien" book everyone is talking about, there seems to be 2 on Amazon I'm assuming it's the one that's 660 pages as opposed to the one that's 70~? They both seem to be $90 or so in hard cover, want to make sure I'm getting the right one.
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May 26, 2017 02:58
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ruddiger posted:E: I wonder what other Catholics think of this movie. As a man of faith, I adore it with all my heart. I'm an extremely lapsed Catholic (I've been to Mass a grand total of once in the past decade), and while I thought it was just okay in the moment, reflecting on it has made it one of my favorite movies of the year.
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s.i.r.e. posted:My mistake. This is the book I've got: Giger's Alien https://www.amazon.com/dp/0962344702/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_I04jzbMD9HAAT I got it when it was semi-new and I certainly didn't pay $100 for it. Is it worth $100? I guess it depends on how much you like Giger's artwork and what kind of premium is acceptable to you for an out-of-print book. It looks like this is the 600 page one you mentioned and I'm honestly not familiar with it: Alien https://www.amazon.com/dp/3905929457/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_b44jzbK0KN037 $100 for over 600 pages of Giger's diary notes, production photos, and drawings doesn't sound like a totally bad deal when the Alien Covenant art book is $25 and just under 200 pages. I guess it would depend on the ratio of diary notes to photos, and the quality of the reproduced photos/artwork.
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May 26, 2017 03:14
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Yep that's the one! Large format and beautiful images. I haven't seen that second one either. e: I'm watching Alien3 now - the Special Edition is NOT the Assembly Cut right? Little guy just popped out of the bull.
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May 26, 2017 03:22
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That's the right one yes
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May 26, 2017 03:26
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Good, good. I think this is the only version I've seen. Definitely got some 90's cheese but It's alright so far!
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May 26, 2017 03:36
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Covenant is so, so loving good. The great thing about it is that, whereas Prometheus functioned as a spiritual, 'better than' remake of Alien vs. Predator, this movie functions as a 'better than,' condensed remake of Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien: Resurrection.
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May 26, 2017 03:49
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superh posted:Good, good. I think this is the only version I've seen. I'll say that it's worth watching both versions; although the Assembly Cut is the stronger movie overall, the theatrical cut has a bunch of alternate scenes that I prefer. My ideal version of Alien3 would be a mix of the two versions.
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May 26, 2017 03:49
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K. Waste posted:Covenant is so, so loving good. The great thing about it is that, whereas Prometheus functioned as a spiritual, 'better than' remake of Alien vs. Predator, this movie functions as a 'better than,' condensed remake of Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien: Resurrection. How so?
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K. Waste posted:Covenant is so, so loving good. 
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K. Waste posted:Covenant is so, so loving good. The great thing about it is that, whereas Prometheus functioned as a spiritual, 'better than' remake of Alien vs. Predator, this movie functions as a 'better than,' condensed remake of Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien: Resurrection. This is a good post.
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Lord Krangdar posted:How so? The dropship sequence, prep, and hopeless optimism (I just need to know one thing "where they are"/"O ye of lil' faith") is reminiscent of Aliens, the fatalistic ending of Alien 3, the playful "Don't let the bed bugs bite" steals the tone from Resurrection. Ridley's dunking on these hoes. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 04:22 on May 26, 2017 |
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Lord Krangdar posted:How so? If you're talking about AvP, the comparisons are almost to the point of plagiarism. It's kinda funny.
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CelticPredator posted:Don't tell me you didn't think for a second that would be the safest option. If you didn't, fine, but the logic was perfectly sound. "I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability." Name the movie! The name is ironic in relation to the quality of an alien movie plot.
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May 26, 2017 04:13
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Tenzarin posted:"I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability." That Jack Nicholson movie with Helen Hunt!
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CelticPredator posted:If you're talking about AvP, the comparisons are almost to the point of plagiarism. It's kinda funny. What were the Christ allegories in AvP again?
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I'm an extremely lapsed Catholic (I've been to Mass a grand total of once in the past decade), and while I thought it was just okay in the moment, reflecting on it has made it one of my favorite movies of the year. 
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May 26, 2017 04:28
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Maybe the next movie, another colonists can be like the focal point of the movie with another religion. Surely Hindu and aliens would go together.
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May 26, 2017 04:30
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Space Hindis finds a crashed alien spaceship with a decayed alien carcass wearing a human shaped helmet, but it turns out to be Vishnu underneath.  Then Vishnu rapes them.
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ruddiger posted:Then Vishnu rapes them. Hot.
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May 26, 2017 04:47
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ruddiger posted:What were the Christ allegories in AvP again? Story and plot wise they're pretty much the same. Until the midway point where Prometheus branches off. I guess you can say Scar Predator is Christ or something. Dying for the sins of the Predators and being reborn as a predalien. But that wasn't what I was talking about.
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Boy, we are in for some interesting readings ITT when SMG's probe is up, aren't we
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Damon Lindelof posted:Here’s the thing. Ridley invented this. He created this Alien universe. He birthed it out of his own heart and soul. So he gets to do whatever it is he wants to do and he wanted to use Weyland as a conduit in the story, and was not interested at all when I said to him, “You know, Weyland was a character in one of the Alien Vs. Predator movies,” he just sort of looked at me like I had just slapped him in the face. That was the beginning, middle and end of all Alien Vs. Predator references in our story process. ruddiger posted:I am Ridley's empty stare when asked about Aliens canon from AVP.
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I'm not talking about canon. K. Waste is right that Prometheus is a good remake of AvP. They both have a very similar through line running through. Weyland looking for immortality. Both Weylands are dying, and despreate for something to live on past, whether it means being alive forever, or having a lasting legacy. Also they both have a similar opening. Main characters dig around in ruins. Main characters have a meeting with Weyland briefing them on their mission. Main leads both ask why the need for guns. Heck Milborn and Fifiled are very similar to Miller and Verheiden. It's an odd coincidence.
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K. Waste posted:Covenant is so, so loving good. The great thing about it is that, whereas Prometheus functioned as a spiritual, 'better than' remake of Alien vs. Predator, this movie functions as a 'better than,' condensed remake of Aliens, Alien 3, and Alien: Resurrection. So the boring and completely unnecessary fight with the Alien on the Covenant, that's the masterful remake of the iconic Queen vrs Ripley fight? Really? The scene that even people who like the film, are saying should be cut? Trying to cram all of his remakes into one movie has made it A) poorly paced B) gives poo poo motivations to characters who are trying to ape older scenes And the movie suffers quite a bit for it
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CelticPredator posted:I'm not talking about canon. K. Waste is right that Prometheus is a good remake of AvP. They both have a very similar through line running through. Weyland looking for immortality. Both Weylands are dying, and despreate for something to live on past, whether it means being alive forever, or having a lasting legacy. Lance Henriksen plays a better Weyland. There, I said it.
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May 26, 2017 06:19
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He played a nicer Weyland. Both are interesting though.
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May 26, 2017 06:21
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Just like the Covenant novelization "fixed" issues with the movie. 
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May 26, 2017 06:25
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The Weyland scene at the start of Covenant was pretty perfect.
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May 26, 2017 06:32
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He kinda snarls at David, doesn't he? Guy Pierce is so good in that role.
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May 26, 2017 06:34
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The looks, too. When David says "May I please ask a question?" and Weyland says sure but the look he's giving him could peel paint off the wall
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I think David deserves respect because he did genetic engineering with charcoal, glowing rocks and flutes.
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Lord Krangdar posted:How so? It helps that Alien 3 already begins as a 'condensed' version of Aliens - which is to say, it begins with the protagonist of the first film waking up to discover that her family is dead. In Covenant, this narrative is streamlined so that Newt's biological mother and Newt's adoptive mother are the same person. The explorers arrive on a planet that, explicitly, has already been colonized. There is wheat growing, someone had to plant it. They don't know that, retroactively, wheat is actually an alien organism, and that it only appears on Earth because the space jockeys cultivated it first. Much like in Aliens, the objective of the colony is that it represents the hope for 'new earths,' to 'build better worlds.' Covenant streamlines the events of Aliens so that what happens to the marines and what happens to the colonists occurs simultaneously. Progressing further, and despite the crediting of the performers as 'neomorphs,' it is revealed that the xenomorphs themselves are 'clones' or the genetically engineered offspring of the originals/neomorphs. David himself assumes the role of the post-Weyland-Yutani military operation which clones Ripley and the alien queen. Again, the narrative is streamlined: Rather than concocting an entirely new organization and military-industrial order, Covenant simply says that Weyland's son (David) made aliens from researching other aliens. The climax of the film cycles back to Aliens, explicitly referencing both it and Alien with Daniels plan to just isolate the xenomorph and shoot it out of the airlock. The twist that Covenant adds is that, now, the synthetic is actually aligned with the xenomorph against the humans. David/Walter/Bishop now embraces the "perfect organism," as opposed to human beings, who are consumed by "duty" rather than "love." Unoriginal Name posted:So the boring and completely unnecessary fight with the Alien on the Covenant, that's the masterful remake of the iconic Queen vrs Ripley fight? Really? The scene that even people who like the film, are saying should be cut? Lol, the climax of Aliens was already 'unnecessary.' Ripley already saved her adoptive daughter from the feminine monstrous, and on the Sulaco she does it again, this time in a giant robot suit. This is the problem one encounters when, instead of straightforwardly discussing the formal elements of the film, you instead beat around the bush and talk about anecdotal feelings. Covenant has the same climax as Aliens, but the conclusion is more interesting and horrific: Bishop betrayed Ripley after all. All that "not bad for a ... h-u-u-u-man" poo poo was just a put-on.
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Eau de MacGowan posted:I think David deserves respect because he did genetic engineering with charcoal, glowing rocks and flutes. Iron Man Covenant
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Yeah, that's actually a good question, David kept doing these experiments... how the gently caress exactly? That lab looked extremely low-tech for a genetic engineering lab, and the way black goo creatures breed would seem to preclude low-tech artificial selection.
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May 26, 2017 07:24
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Yeah, that's actually a good question, David kept doing these experiments... how the gently caress exactly? That lab looked extremely low-tech for a genetic engineering lab, and the way black goo creatures breed would seem to preclude low-tech artificial selection. Joke answer: David is an artist, man, not a scientist. Serious answer: David is an artist, man, and a stand-in for H. R. Giger against the pedantic, biological realism of Alien fans. He's also archetypically harkening back to Dr. Morbius from Forbidden Planet. alf_pogs posted:the cave did have automatic mood lighting so presumably the primitive cave decor was an artful choice David learned enough about space jockey technology that he could use mood-lighting in a far-flung attempt to seduce Walter. This is why this movie is dope as gently caress, and why I feel really bad for cats who get hung up upon 'necessity.'
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