This western policy is to blame thing is so NUS. Ten years ago I would have agreed, instantly, that it was true. Nowadays I'm a bit wary of that kind of rhetoric, because anyone who would bomb a concert for girls is clearly just an insane gently caress-up.
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jBrereton posted:This western policy is to blame thing is so NUS. Ten years ago I would have agreed, instantly, that it was true. Nowadays I'm a bit wary of that kind of rhetoric, because anyone who would bomb a concert for girls is clearly just an insane gently caress-up. Insane gently caress-ups don't just coalesce fully-formed out of the ether.
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:29 |
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How many times does it have to said that people with mental illnesses are in a vast majority of cases more of a danger to themselves than anyone else?
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:31 |
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How many weddings did the US bomb, again? Because if you're going to talk about "insane gently caress-ups"...
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:34 |
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Oberleutnant posted:
This is obviously amazing, that racist cannot be told to gently caress off enough. Even better though is that I think it reflects a change in narrative. It started following Brexit but to me seems to be gaining momentum after the Manchester attacks. I don’t know what caused it but it no longer seems to be as socially acceptable to blame everything on foreigns. Genuinely think the racists and xenophobes are being marginalised again. Wishful thinking? Reading too much of my own Facebook? Regardless there will be a ton of kicking and screaming before they go back in their box. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 10:39 on May 26, 2017 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:Insane gently caress-ups don't just coalesce fully-formed out of the ether. I mean we've always had terrorism in its modern form by some lot or other who felt sufficiently hacked off about the world since the invention of portable explosives. That genie is not getting put back in the bottle, and I think the persistent nature of people blowing things up across many ideologies suggests that foreign policy might be a great smokescreen for abusers to pick failsons like the last guy up and say "hey bud join my crew, also check out this vid from syria etc. etc. aren't the crusaders bad and so on" but that it's basically led by Charles Manson style dickheads who are a type of person that will probably exist forever, just like their prey, because some people just are that way.
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:39 |
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I really hope she ends up at the job center. If you look at her career she hasn't actually done much.
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:40 |
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Seaside Loafer posted:I really hope she ends up at the job center. If you look at her career she hasn't actually done much.
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:42 |
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jBrereton posted:Hard to say isn't it. they'll always exist but they don't always have powerful groups residing in destabilized regions
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:48 |
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jBrereton posted:Hard to say isn't it. Yeah, the thing is that the more you alienate a minority, the more members of said minority will be susceptible to radicalization. And as you note western foreign policy provides a huge and visible component when it comes to making muslims feeling like second-class citizens, which therefore plays right into the hands of assholes like ISIS. This is why western foreign policy is to blame. It's counterproductive and plays right into the hands of ISIS and their ilk. Pretending like every suicide bomber is some incomprehensible black box is basically denying a huge contributing factor to terrorism and hence directly increases the risk of terror attacks.
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:52 |
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Oborne: Corbyn's election manifesto for the Middle East is radical and morally courageousquote:This cross-party consensus has been smashed, thanks to Jeremy Corbyn, the current Labour leader. Whatever one thinks of Corbyn's political views (and I disagree with many of them), British democracy owes him a colossal debt of gratitude for restoring genuine political debate to Britain.
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:52 |
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Guavanaut posted:As a manager? She's certainly qualified in the empathy department. Sanction rate in DWP would quintuple the moment she gets the job.
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:53 |
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loving hell never thought I'd agree with anything Osbourne said.
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:55 |
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deletebeepbeepbeep posted:loving hell never thought I'd agree with anything Osbourne said. Not him, the Telegraph hack who quit during the HSBC scandal
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:57 |
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deletebeepbeepbeep posted:loving hell never thought I'd agree with anything Osbourne said. Oborne, not Osbourne. He's that rare beast, a genuinely principled right-wing reporter - for instance, he resigned from the Telegraph because they were corrupt as gently caress.
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:58 |
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Since free school meals are a hot topic at the moment, and since I'm dealing with a lot of Parliamentary papers lately, I thought the thread would enjoy some choice quotes from Tories in 1905 concerning free school meals:Sir Frederick Banbury posted:It had been argued that this should be done because it would improve the physical condition of the children. In his opinion good clothing was quite as necessary for the physical development of children as good food. Was it going to be held that they were not only to educate and feed but also to clothe the children? And when all that had been done he supposed it would be necessary to see that they had proper shelter, for that was a very important element in their physical condition. He had as much sympathy with poor people as any hon. Gentleman opposite, but he had spoken as he had because he believed in all sincerity that the very worst thing they could do in that House was to destroy the habit of self-reliance. Sir George Bartley posted:[We are] all agreed as to the existence of the evil [of starving children], the only difference was as to the best mode of treating it... It seemed to him obvious that the introduction into our schools of a system of feeding some of the children would in a short time result in the whole of the children being fed. Would this really be beneficial to the country or to the poor themselves? Sir W. Hart Dyke posted:What does it all lead to? He had been told that if they were going to feed children they must also clothe them. He did not think that need be necessary if proper precautions were taken. gently caress tories forever. communism bitch fucked around with this message at 11:01 on May 26, 2017 |
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deletebeepbeepbeep posted:loving hell never thought I'd agree with anything Osbourne said. Not Osborne, Peter Oborne. A prominent conservative commentator, not as out of time as Peter Hitchens mind you, notable for having quite the Telegraph in 2015 when it was revealed they were suppressing investigations into prominent advertisers like HSBC. In 2013 he did a book on A Dangerous Delusion: Why the Iranian Nuclear Threat is a Myth EDIT: loving hell, beaten badly by two other people.
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# ? May 26, 2017 10:58 |
Edit: beaten to it by others.
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:00 |
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loving hell, normality is restored.
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:02 |
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It's the loving green goblin
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Pissflaps posted:Not sure this Corbyn supporter is doing his campaign any good quote:Buckley was captured on video as she attacked May’s decision to deploy the Army following the murder of 22 children and adults at an Ariana Grande concert in Manchester whoops
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:05 |
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That's probably one of the few articles written by a right winger written in good faith.
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:05 |
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My nipples could cut diamonds right now...
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His Divine Shadow posted:It's the loving green goblin Nah that's Osborn. Do try and keep up.
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:06 |
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Jezza is going live on Faceberk: https://www.facebook.com/JeremyCorbynMP/videos/10155395577533872/ E: Good man - including the Jo Cox murder in a brief list of terrorist actions. Biggus Dickus fucked around with this message at 11:14 on May 26, 2017 |
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Cerebral Bore posted:Yeah, the thing is that the more you alienate a minority, the more members of said minority will be susceptible to radicalization. And as you note western foreign policy provides a huge and visible component when it comes to making muslims feeling like second-class citizens, which therefore plays right into the hands of assholes like ISIS. Now while I agree that knocking over some governments in the middle east and killing loads of people was Bad, and that less wars and jingoism in general would be Good, I'm not sure very much would change wrt terrorism. Kurtofan posted:they'll always exist but they don't always have powerful groups residing in destabilized regions
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:07 |
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he ate a bat once
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:08 |
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This seems like a good speech.
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:15 |
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(YouGov live poll)
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:23 |
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jBrereton posted:You are always likely to gently caress someone off at any given time if you are sufficiently powerful that you could reasonably have any effect on someone's life (if for no other reason than you didn't prioritise someone else instead). Good grief. I think you're overegging the cynical realist gimmick a bit here.
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:24 |
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Firos posted:This seems like a good speech. agreed. dunno what all the fuss was about, nothing was controversial in it.
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:27 |
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Firos posted:This seems like a good speech. I like that he never directly criticised May - kind of undercuts any accusations about political point scoring.
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:27 |
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Guess we'll see how it's covered in the media but agreed, I thought that was a really great speech.
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:28 |
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Speech seems to be going down very well: https://twitter.com/randerssays/status/868050121178656768
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:28 |
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I'm legit pleasantly surprised by the response people are giving to this whole debacle. Outside of the typical swivel-eyed loon demographic, people seem to be really coming around to the correct assumption that indiscriminately bombing the Middle East isn't helping things. Hopefully the Tories will continue their spree of shooting themselves in the balls and double down on the kill 'em all rhetoric, the public are rightfully getting sick of it.
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:29 |
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Looking at the "other side", the Cox comparison looks to have gone down like a lead balloon but not too much criticism of the rest other than the usual lines.
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:30 |
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Depending on how it lands I think corbyns position is a good one that can work well. Remember that even crazy trump voters partially voted for him because he was going to stop going out on random wars in the middle East which the public has been sick of for about 5 years now.
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:31 |
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Spectator has the transcript, I'm reading it through. Smart play to bring up Jo Cox early and often. E: hahaha that repurposed Blair quote. That was impressively vicious.
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jBrereton posted:You are always likely to gently caress someone off at any given time if you are sufficiently powerful that you could reasonably have any effect on someone's life (if for no other reason than you didn't prioritise someone else instead). "You can never stop terrorism so let's not try" -J Brereton, age 5
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Darth Walrus posted:Spectator has the transcript, I'm reading it through. What quote is that out of curiosity?
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# ? May 26, 2017 11:34 |