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stopgap1
Jul 27, 2013
I just beat my first End-Game Crisis. I am a huge fan of the ending of the Undead Scourge.

I also retired and my save is gone... I don't know if I am up to start over yet.

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golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

I imagine my entire backline looks like this:



Also, why are undead War Scythes so rare? Unique polearms are far easier to come.

Wizard Styles
Aug 6, 2014

level 15 disillusionist

stopgap1 posted:

I am a huge fan of the ending of the Undead Scourge.
I, too, am a huge fan of the Undead Scourge coming to an end.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

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I just had scourge start in my game with all my archers :( Time to start training some pikemen.

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Gridlocked posted:

I just had scourge start in my game with all my archers :( Time to start training some pikemen.

Nope, now is time to start accumulating throwing axes and continue putting those archers to good use by destroying the enemy pikeman from safety

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

Gridlocked posted:

I just had scourge start in my game with all my archers :( Time to start training some pikemen.

Throwing axe + Longaxe archers served me just fine against the undead, even though I didn't realize all the ancient legionaries have shield expert.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
Honestly all you need is a couple of shieldwall plebs that you don't expect to survive, throwing axes and maybe a 2h berserker to flank once they're sufficiently weakened. I expect you could beat most aux lines with 8 archers and 4 melee dudes this way.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
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AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

GlyphGryph posted:

Nope, now is time to start accumulating throwing axes and continue putting those archers to good use by destroying the enemy pikeman from safety

Throwing axes eh? Good plan.

Feels like a wasted point in Bow mastery though :(

Tias
May 25, 2008

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Is throwing axe masters a legit build? Might attempt this rather than my longbows, because frankly I'm having some trouble reaching out and touching heavy knights as it is.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
They legitimately do more damage than bows to armour but most people are recommending them because they actually do damage to skele's whereas bolts and arrows do gently caress all.

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Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound
Throwing weapons benefit from Duelist perk but they also use up 3x the "ammunition" so they can get expensive fast.

Tias
May 25, 2008

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I'm thinking Quick Hands, two bundles of flying ouch and a halberd/2-hander ought to do it?

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
Yeah, if you're up against undead you can just use the axes with no shield, if you're up against knights rotate the shield in and forgo duelist so you don't get sniped.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

Tias posted:

Is throwing axe masters a legit build? Might attempt this rather than my longbows, because frankly I'm having some trouble reaching out and touching heavy knights as it is.

Most of the heaviest armored enemies in the game are not the most dangerous threats in the enemy composition. Longbows are meant to kill billmen, arbalesters, and orc berserkers in those battles. Orc warriors have slightly more attack than orc young, but a lot more defense. Only ancient honor guards manage to have the most offense and the best armor in their faction, but it's worth it for those sweet, sweet warscythes.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
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golden bubble posted:

Most of the heaviest armored enemies in the game are not the most dangerous threats in the enemy composition. Longbows are meant to kill billmen, arbalesters, and orc berserkers in those battles. Orc warriors have slightly more attack than orc young, but a lot more defense. Only ancient honor guards manage to have the most offense and the best armor in their faction, but it's worth it for those sweet, sweet warscythes.

Also Ancient Honor Guards behave similar to other Ancient Undead in that they will try to operate with the shield wall/pike wall set up so you can easily out flank them with hammerbros

Tias
May 25, 2008

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Finally completed the game, after clocking in 299 hours. Yes, I am aware I'm an idiot.

In related news, I really, really like throwing weapons now! I never got into it because I didn't really have the impression enemies were hurting me with them, but at least in the start and middle game, they're brutal af :stare:

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
I still don't like them because they're expensive and the use you'll get out of them isn't much because of the range.

That said, i've got a guy with unique javs, they hurt pretty well.

grrarg
Feb 14, 2011

Don't lose your head over it.
In case no one else noticed the bit at the end of the art book announcement:

quote:

The 1.1 Update
Work is also progressing on the 1.1 update to the game. As announced last time, we are are having our post-release vacations this month, so you can expect the update to be finished and go live later in June, which is also when we’ll announce our future plans. See you then!
I hope they do not make any rash decisions before the summer sale later in the month. I get the impression that they were kind of disappointed in sales. Given the excellent word of mouth, I think it will do really well in the sale if they give it a decent discount.

Tias
May 25, 2008

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dogstile posted:

I still don't like them because they're expensive and the use you'll get out of them isn't much because of the range.

That said, i've got a guy with unique javs, they hurt pretty well.

I've picked up two jav bundles for under 150 apiece, just had to repair them a bit myself, which seems like a decent deal.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
We're talking about ammo. Gold wise they're cheap (i'm running around with 80k at any given time now) but they eat through ammunition like crazy, which makes long expeditions into the wild unfeasible.

Tias
May 25, 2008

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Is ammo perishable? Otherwise it's just taping arrows to your nutsacks and going to town.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

Find a town with a fletcher and get to a decent standings with them. Stacks of 50 ammo for less than 80 gold means who gives a drat about Jav/Throwing Axe costs.

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
I do, because 250 ammo is the max you can carry at a time and i burn through that really quickly if i use lots of throwing weapons.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

Tias posted:

Finally completed the game, after clocking in 299 hours. Yes, I am aware I'm an idiot.

In related news, I really, really like throwing weapons now! I never got into it because I didn't really have the impression enemies were hurting me with them, but at least in the start and middle game, they're brutal af :stare:

If they had another tier of throwing weapons, they'd be great. But bows and xbows can be upgraded to warbows and heavy crossbows at any old fletcher, instead of having to pray for a unique throwing weapons. Sure, the throwing mastery increases damage, but only at very close range. So now throwing weapons are competing with longaxes, billhooks, or god forbid warscythes.

Miss Lonelyhearts
Mar 22, 2003


Is there an event with an ancient sword + historian since he's mentioned in it's description? I've already had him remove a 'dumb' trait, but nothing else yet. Do I need to keep it equipped??

Tias
May 25, 2008

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Miss Lonelyhearts posted:

Is there an event with an ancient sword + historian since he's mentioned in it's description? I've already had him remove a 'dumb' trait, but nothing else yet. Do I need to keep it equipped??

Only other event I had him proc was interpreting a treasure map I bought.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Historians own bones if you can get a decent one because of events like the one where he's like 'No, guys, the sun is at least 10,000 miles away, it's crazy far! And some guys I know say the stars aren't our dead ancestors' souls at all, but rather more suns that are even crazy further!' and after he reassures everyone he doesn't believe that blasphemy they all have a good laugh at the 'smart' guy and gain morale.

Tias
May 25, 2008

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Man, are they ever gonna fix the hung screens? I'm going insane having to quit and reload autosaves :negative:

Also, is it possible to regain favour with a noble house you made hostile? I had an ambition to take out a merc band, but didn't realize it made their employers insta-hostile :(

Tias fucked around with this message at 20:13 on May 30, 2017

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?

Tias posted:

Man, are they ever gonna fix the hung screens? I'm going insane having to quit and reload autosaves :negatives:

Also, is it possible to regain favour with a noble house you made hostile? I had an ambition to take out a merc band, but didn't realize it made their employers insta-hostile :(

You're the only person i've heard of complaining of the screens. Verify your files?

Faction relations drift towards neutral over time, but it takes a long rear end time.

Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

I'm​in the middle of a Greenskin Invasion crisis and just had a guy with the background "Orc Hunter" join up. He's shaping up pretty nicely - is he really gonna abandon me when the crisis is over like his flavor text says?

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

Tias posted:

Man, are they ever gonna fix the hung screens? I'm going insane having to quit and reload autosaves :negatives:

Also, is it possible to regain favour with a noble house you made hostile? I had an ambition to take out a merc band, but didn't realize it made their employers insta-hostile :(


dogstile posted:

You're the only person i've heard of complaining of the screens. Verify your files?

Faction relations drift towards neutral over time, but it takes a long rear end time.

For a game that is balanced around a 160 day campaign, it takes like 80 days to go from 100% hostile to neutral. You may as well write off the entire noble house for until the next crisis. But if you can take on 10-16 noble soldiers, small noble companies and supply wagons are a good source of high tier armor and weapons.

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

Clark Nova posted:

I'm​in the middle of a Greenskin Invasion crisis and just had a guy with the background "Orc Hunter" join up. He's shaping up pretty nicely - is he really gonna abandon me when the crisis is over like his flavor text says?

Yes

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?

Does he take his stuff when he leaves?

Wafflecopper
Nov 27, 2004

I am a mouth, and I must scream

IIRC he drops it. Not 100% on that though. He doesn't leave immediately when the crisis ends, so you'll definitely be safe having him geared up until that point, then stripping him or giving him gear you don't care about. Like 90% sure he drops it though.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

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Wafflecopper posted:

IIRC he drops it. Not 100% on that though. He doesn't leave immediately when the crisis ends, so you'll definitely be safe having him geared up until that point, then stripping him or giving him gear you don't care about. Like 90% sure he drops it though.

I believe it depends on the difficulty setting, same as deserters.

stopgap1
Jul 27, 2013
Guys! I just switched sides during the noble war... to the losing side. On the other hand I was bribed with a unique weapon so it was worth it.

Gridlocked
Aug 2, 2014

MR. STUPID MORON
WITH AN UGLY FACE
AND A BIG BUTT
AND HIS BUTT SMELLS
AND HE LIKES TO KISS
HIS OWN BUTT
by Roger Hargreaves

stopgap1 posted:

Guys! I just switched sides during the noble war... to the losing side. On the other hand I was bribed with a unique weapon so it was worth it.

Remember your objective isn't to WIN the war, it's to make a profit.

Trillhouse
Dec 31, 2000

I got bribed by a unique weapon too. It was a barely
better pack of throwing axes.

I felt really dumb.

stopgap1
Jul 27, 2013

Trillhouse posted:

I got bribed by a unique weapon too. It was a barely
better pack of throwing axes.

I felt really dumb.

Mine was a badass flail. hugely more damage. I have a sellsword who is going to duelist that son of a gun.

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Trillhouse
Dec 31, 2000

stopgap1 posted:

Mine was a badass flail. hugely more damage. I have a sellsword who is going to duelist that son of a gun.

I'd kill for a good flail. It's probably my favorite early-mid game weapon until you start transferring to two-handers. Popping unhelmeted bandit heads is how I get most of my armor. So many broken noses.

I'm actually running a flail specialist with the two handed orc flail right now and it's going well. He's got enough stamina to handle the penalty and it's always nice to land stuns on a bunch of enemies at once.

Trillhouse fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Jun 4, 2017

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