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Yes future researchers will never be able to understand a ten story apartment building with a plain brick facade without at least 300 extant examples.
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You can laugh, but to have a fully intact Roman insula to study would be awesome and probably teach us loads of things about how random rear end people lived back then. And the more examples you try and preserve now, the likelier it is that at least one will last long enough for someone to give a gently caress about it.
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May 26, 2017 04:35
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P-Mack posted:Yes future researchers will never be able to understand a ten story apartment building with a plain brick facade without at least 300 extant examples. "No one would want to study MY lovely hovel", said the bronze age peasant that everyone wants to know more about.
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May 26, 2017 04:38
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No one will want to learn about the lives of whores, famous or otherwise
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May 26, 2017 04:50
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A future researcher pores over the ancient document before him, its mysteries hidden, perhaps for all eternity, within the fragile form of ink and decaying paper. "Who was Dickbutt," he asks, "and why did they revere him so?"
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May 26, 2017 05:39
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This and also all the things people never recorded because, to them, it was everyday commonplace stuff.
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May 26, 2017 05:57
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You know, I was just making a goof up there, but come to think of it something like Dickbutt would probably be one of the things that translates best across time. We can still appreciate why something like this is hilarious:  Or, on the topic of this thread, get why Romans would draw crude penises on walls. Sex humor (and scatalogical humor) transcends culture and time. One day our dick and fart jokes will amuse long-distant generations of bored students reading what passes for the internet in their time. They're our truly undying legacy. 
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May 26, 2017 06:26
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Evidence Of Some Of South America's Earliest Modern Humans Found Under Pyramid In Peruquote:Beneath what is itself an ancient human-made earth pyramid built long ago, archaeologists have uncovered some of the earliest evidence of modern humans living in South America. Dating to around 15,000 years ago, researchers have found a whole host of artifacts documenting how these ancient people made a living and seemingly thrived along the coastal plains of Peru.
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May 26, 2017 06:39
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Ainsley McTree posted:No one will want to learn about the lives of whores, famous or otherwise Lives of Obscure Whores was the first true work of microhistory
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May 26, 2017 07:16
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Dalael posted:We can only hope that the 80's are a decade that will forever remain lost to history. How could you arrive at the singlest worst opion on history ever formed? Did you have help? 
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May 26, 2017 07:19
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Deteriorata posted:This was a common thing everybody did. Until fairly recently, old stuff was just considered old stuff without any cultural or historical significance. It was recycled and reused often. Much of Cairo is built from the limestone facings of the pyramids. I was gonna say if the church didn't do it someone else would nick all that masonry and use it to build a cesspit or something.
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May 26, 2017 10:11
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Tias posted:How could you arrive at the singlest worst opion on history ever formed? Did you have help? Don't worry, I'm currently involved in a project to bury thousands of time capsules containing the entire back catalogue of A Flock Of Seagulls. The decade will endure.
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May 26, 2017 10:52
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OwlFancier posted:I was gonna say if the church didn't do it someone else would nick all that masonry and use it to build a cesspit or something. Or use it as a gunpowder magazine. 
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May 26, 2017 12:06
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:"No one would want to study MY lovely hovel", said the bronze age peasant that everyone wants to know more about. Yeah. There's really no way of knowing what future historians will want to study so it is in our interest to preserve a representative sample of everything possible. Think of how useful the Vindolanda tablets are, and those are literally just garbage leftover from everyday correspondence. The ancient equivalent of a bunch of hotmail accounts. Nobody would've thought "man people in 2000 years are really going to want to read about my socks" but here we are.
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May 26, 2017 12:50
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah. There's really no way of knowing what future historians will want to study so it is in our interest to preserve a representative sample of everything possible. If I could time travel or look down from heaven or whatever, I'd be really excited to see what future archaeologists think of the digital age. We'll either bequeath an absolutely massive cache of media, or all our digitally-recorded poo poo will one way or another become worthless and we'll be a huge enigma. We barely even write on paper anymore. Most of our photos only exist in devices, not in print. But I mean, imagine how much poo poo we'd flip if somehow we got a single 15-minute youtube video from some dweeby roman. If all our social media crap survives in some form then our generation will be more well-recorded by orders of magnitude than anyone before us.
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May 26, 2017 13:10
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:"No one would want to study MY lovely hovel", said the bronze age peasant that everyone wants to know more about. What would be useful is preserving interiors, not facades.
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May 26, 2017 13:38
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A single day of wandering ancient Rome with a GoPro would be the greatest archaeological treasure ever.
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May 26, 2017 13:38
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:If I could time travel or look down from heaven or whatever, I'd be really excited to see what future archaeologists think of the digital age. We'll either bequeath an absolutely massive cache of media, or all our digitally-recorded poo poo will one way or another become worthless and we'll be a huge enigma. We barely even write on paper anymore. Most of our photos only exist in devices, not in print. Now this makes me wonder if some of those weird stone-CDs used to store important data for the future will include some social stuff, or if future archaeologists will think we were a dour, completely funless society of robots, since everything they can find are those "important" data depots. The fun stuff like YouTube or Facebook better be included in our underground archives. Alternatively, imagine the shock wrecking the future world if archaelogists spend decades finding only tons of this government-approved important crap, only to suddenly stumble upon a still working server with tons of horrific porn from the internet saved on it. The screams could probably be heard back in our time. 
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May 26, 2017 13:44
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There are various projects to try to archive the digital world. There used to be a goon working in the field, I dunno if he's still lurking around here.
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May 26, 2017 13:50
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Grand Fromage posted:There are various projects to try to archive the digital world. There used to be a goon working in the field, I dunno if he's still lurking around here. SA is archived by the American Folklife Center at the Library of Congress in Washington.
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May 26, 2017 13:58
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There are even things in my area (Prairie Canada) from 50, 100, 150 years back which already puzzle local historians who have to piece things together from a few poorly-archived pictures. When the style of the commonplace changes, the old commonplace gets very quickly forgotten. (I have a much better illustrative example near the top of my memory but It's not coming to the surface - I'll post later if I can think of it  )-There was a synagogue in my town at one point. People argue about the exact location because the records aren't there, and it just dwindled and disappeared rather unceremoniously, to be replaced with housing somewhere along the way. I've never seen a picture. -The exact locations of several WW1/WW2 training grounds in the area are now matters of dispute.
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May 26, 2017 14:02
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CommonShore posted:When the style of the commonplace changes, the old commonplace gets very quickly forgotten. Probably my favorite example of this is the gesture the Romans used to kill or spare gladiators: we don't know what it actually was. The thumbs up/thumbs down thing is a modern assumption, it could have been precisely the opposite. Contemporaries just referred to it as the "turning of the thumb" because why on earth would you need to explain something so obvious?
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May 26, 2017 14:24
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P-Mack posted:What would be useful is preserving interiors, not facades. Except facades can include advertisements, graffiti and other informative poo poo. The outside of a building is in many ways as informative as the interior.
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May 26, 2017 14:36
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Dalael posted:We can only hope that the 80's are a decade that will forever remain lost to history. No because it brought us Commando and Predator
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May 26, 2017 14:37
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Libluini posted:Now this makes me wonder if some of those weird stone-CDs used to store important data for the future will include some social stuff, or if future archaeologists will think we were a dour, completely funless society of robots, since everything they can find are those "important" data depots. The fun stuff like YouTube or Facebook better be included in our underground archives. Anyone can buy and burn their own artificial stone based DVDs to write stuff on permanently. They don't really even need special recorders, most computer DVD burners can handle them. Go ahead and record a bunch of goofy history to be stored In various places!
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May 26, 2017 14:55
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WoodrowSkillson posted:No because it brought us Commando and Predator Truly the greatness of Predator is immortal. You could adapt and stage that for a Roman two thousand years ago and he'd understand it just as well as someone from AD 4000. PRAEDATOR, starring the Rhaetian Sensation as centurion Teutonicus.
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May 26, 2017 15:15
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CommonShore posted:There are even things in my area (Prairie Canada) from 50, 100, 150 years back which already puzzle local historians who have to piece things together from a few poorly-archived pictures. When the style of the commonplace changes, the old commonplace gets very quickly forgotten. When I lived in Canada, my city also had a forgotten synagogue. This was Kingston, ON, not a metropolis but a pretty important little city in times past. But there was a conservative synagogue up until a few decades ago, and now it's a thing of legend. No one can agree where it was. It's fascinating how quickly we forget. I was also a Fort Henry guard for a summer. We're barely a century removed from when real british redcoats manned the fort, but we've forgotten so much about what life was like at the time. There are still areas of Fort Henry that are unexcavated, and it's a well-touristed UNESCO site that's constantly inhabited. Tours go into one reverse firing chamber, for example, that's authentic except the moldy ancient wood floors have been torn out, but the twin chamber on the other side of the fort remains in pristine, spider-infested 1860s condition. There's still carronades and ammo rusting in there. And that's the most well-known. The fort still has a lot of lower passages that have been mouldering for a century while everything from POWs to government officials to us modern LARPers walk around above them. Every year the Guard tour guides get told to tell guests how many firing slits there are, and every year it's different because they're constantly being found and lost. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 15:43 on May 26, 2017 |
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May 26, 2017 15:40
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WoodrowSkillson posted:No because it brought us Commando and Predator Yes but its also the decade that tried to keep alive the mullet, brought us boys bands like New Kids on the Block, and thought that that Vanilla Ice did was "good rap". Im sure that decade held more horrors than good things. If you need further proof of how horrible it was, i was born in the 80's. I rest my case
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May 26, 2017 16:49
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Dalael posted:Yes but its also the decade that tried to keep alive the mullet, brought us boys bands like New Kids on the Block, and thought that that Vanilla Ice did was "good rap". Vanilla Ice's commercial success took place entirely in the 1990s.
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May 26, 2017 17:12
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CommonShore posted:There are even things in my area (Prairie Canada) from 50, 100, 150 years back which already puzzle local historians who have to piece things together from a few poorly-archived pictures. When the style of the commonplace changes, the old commonplace gets very quickly forgotten. Dick Harrison points out in his work about the 30YW that using first-hand sources from any era has this problem in general. We remember the uncommon, but not the common. So a guy who gets mugged or wins the lottery will mention it in his autobiography or write about it in his journal, but he probably won't mention what he has for breakfast every morning.
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May 26, 2017 17:19
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Telsa Cola posted:Except facades can include advertisements, graffiti and other informative poo poo. The outside of a building is in many ways as informative as the interior. See also: a tonne of stuff at Pompeii, famously.
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May 26, 2017 17:32
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glynnenstein posted:Vanilla Ice's commercial success took place entirely in the 1990s. His debut album came out in 1989, but yes he didn't enter the popular consciousness until 1990 when "Ice Ice Baby" climbed the charts. It's easy to forget/repress.
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May 26, 2017 17:36
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Dalael posted:Yes but its also the decade that tried to keep alive the mullet, brought us boys bands like New Kids on the Block, and thought that that Vanilla Ice did was "good rap". I was born in 84 so conversely, it's owns even harder cause I'm loving dope
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May 26, 2017 18:05
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Being born in the late 70s, the 80s left me with a profound and lingering hate for all things 80s.
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May 26, 2017 18:07
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Kemper Boyd posted:Dick Harrison points out in his work about the 30YW that using first-hand sources from any era has this problem in general. We remember the uncommon, but not the common. So a guy who gets mugged or wins the lottery will mention it in his autobiography or write about it in his journal, but he probably won't mention what he has for breakfast every morning. All the commercials with "part of a balanced breakfast" will be taken as showing a typical breakfast.
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May 26, 2017 18:43
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The 940's kind of sucked.
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May 26, 2017 18:51
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skasion posted:Truly the greatness of Predator is immortal. You could adapt and stage that for a Roman two thousand years ago and he'd understand it just as well as someone from AD 4000. PRAEDATOR, starring the Rhaetian Sensation as centurion Teutonicus. I really want the roman version of predator now.
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May 26, 2017 18:52
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Kemper Boyd posted:Dick Harrison points out in his work about the 30YW that using first-hand sources from any era has this problem in general. We remember the uncommon, but not the common. So a guy who gets mugged or wins the lottery will mention it in his autobiography or write about it in his journal, but he probably won't mention what he has for breakfast every morning. Pepys owns.
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May 26, 2017 18:54
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Were the Romans big on plays? I've never really heard about anything other than the Ancient Greeks'.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Were the Romans big on plays? I've never really heard about anything other than the Ancient Greeks'. I mean, probably. They didn't just use it for pro wrestling.
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