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Overminty posted:Nah they did anyway https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/26/jeremy-corbyn-the-war-on-terror-is-simply-not-working Has anyone pointed out that it's irrelevant if they hate our foreign policy if our foreign policy keeps giving them all guns? Sonderkraftfahrzeug 253 leichter Gepanzerter Beobachtungskraftwagen sounds kind of funny, and was also a german artillery observation vehicle in WW2.
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spectralent posted:I just saw the loving beeb talk on it and it was a humming and hawwing "Hmm very controversial, yes. Opens him to attacks on politicising tragedy, hmm. Raises questions on his commitment to security. Says he won't do deals with IS but he didn't take press questions so he probably will." bullshit. I know the mail is always going to take that line but what the christ is happening when auntie's going with "With lack of any evidence (aside from the stuff he said against it), we're going to have to assume Corbyn's pro-ISIS"? Actually thinking about it now "opens him to attacks" is my favourite bit of journalistic fuckery, it's a great way to imply a criticism of someone without actually having to defend it, on account of how it's not you that's making it but some theoretical third party that may or may not exist. good work
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Fans posted:I hate to mention the Orange faced turd but Trump ran a very "Let's stop loving with the Middle East" campaign and it went down well with his base. I don't think there's any demographic that thinks our actions in the Middle East are not causing any issues even the usually hawkish ones The Manchester bomber had links to Libya in North Africa, not in what is generally referred to as the Middle East. There has been some speculation that he traveled to Syria at some point after visiting Libya one time, but even then it is hard to establish how bombing the Middle East would have personally affected this 22 year old kid to radicalize him all by itself. Radicalization isn't just "they're not treated well in the UK" otherwise we'd have an amount of bombers from other ethnic/religious groups that are treated like poo poo. It also isn't solely "we bombed the Middle East" because not all of the people involved in terror even have a personal link to that place before they were radicalized. Those above points are obviously contributing factors but it's (radicalization) a lot more ideological and amorphous a process than to simply say that the UK had it coming because we are the sole cause of it. The reason that line is unpalatable for many is not that it infers British responsibility, but also it naively omits to mention the mindset of the people who groom young people like Salman Abedi, and divorces them of their own responsibility. There are some very sick individuals that support ongoing attempts to radicalize British youth and they loving know how to make these individuals feel worse than any reality of living in the UK. The level of socio-cultural manipulation is off the charts.
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Why the loving gently caress are the guardian listing Breivik as "other"? He's a right wing extremist you dense cunts
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Tesseraction posted:Hang on, *looks at Montana special election* that's it! The Lib Dem Fightback just needs to be a literal fight. Farron needs to give May the peoples' elbow and they'll go right up in the polls! That fight is over as soon as John "Two Jabs" Prezza gets tagged in.
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Rakosi posted:The Manchester bomber had links to Libya in North Africa, not in what is generally referred to as the Middle East. There has been some speculation that he traveled to Syria at some point after visiting Libya one time, but even then it is hard to establish how bombing the Middle East would have personally affected this 22 year old kid to radicalize him all by itself. Agreed, Britain has never been involved with Libya in any way.
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TheRat posted:Why the loving gently caress are the guardian listing Breivik as "other"? He's a right wing extremist you dense cunts I think they're just comparing Islamist terror to other flavors of terror, not what qualifies as terror compared to mass murders or something.
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TheRat posted:Why the loving gently caress are the guardian listing Breivik as "other"? He's a right wing extremist you dense cunts Because he's not a 'Jihadist'? I mean, it's still misleading but they don't have a listing for 'Neo Nazi shitlords'
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Rakosi posted:I think they're just comparing Islamist terror to other flavors of terror, not what qualifies as terror compared to mass murders or something. Why? What purpose does that comparison serve?
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TheRat posted:Why the loving gently caress are the guardian listing Breivik as "other"? He's a right wing extremist you dense cunts It doesn't fit the narrative, same reason the press were very insistant on not calling out Jo Cox's murderer's pretty blatant far-right beliefs.
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Angepain posted:Actually thinking about it now "opens him to attacks" is my favourite bit of journalistic fuckery, it's a great way to imply a criticism of someone without actually having to defend it, on account of how it's not you that's making it but some theoretical third party that may or may not exist. good work If I were a teacher grading a piece of homework, "by whom?" would be in red pen next to that comment.
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May 26, 2017 13:35
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Spuckuk posted:I mean, it's still misleading but they don't have a listing for 'Neo Nazi shitlords' And I'm saying they should
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May 26, 2017 13:36
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TheRat posted:And I'm saying they should And I'm agreeing with you tbh.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Why? What purpose does that comparison serve? For the reader to decide I suppose. I'm guessing it's along the the lines of "Islamist terror kills more than the sum of all other kinds" but we knew that since 9/11 anyway.
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May 26, 2017 13:38
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Daily Mail 03 June 2006: Iraq war 'to blame for 7/7 attacks'
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Spuckuk posted:And I'm agreeing with you tbh. Norway is more egregious for that than Britain anyway.
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Spectator: The most dangerous thing about Jeremy Corbyn’s speech today, blaming terror attacks in Britain on wars we have fought abroad, is that it is partly true.
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May 26, 2017 13:42
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You know the myth / story about pandoras box? The one where all the horrible poo poo in the world now was once locked inside a box that pandora opened out of curiosity. Never forget that hope was in there as well. Hope was in with depression, war, hatred, famine, pain, sadness and all the other horrible poo poo. Hope was in there for a reason. It was released last for a reason. Its the worst of them. Vote Corbyn, prepare for May.
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May 26, 2017 13:48
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TheRat posted:Why the loving gently caress are the guardian listing Breivik as "other"? He's a right wing extremist you dense cunts you could put them all under that tag really
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ukle posted:ISIS in Iraq was, its how they went from having no territory to within a week controlling half the country. But ISIS was around before that in Syria and was a rag tag bunch of extremists estimated at the time to be less than 5000, its why them suddenly massively growing and almost taking over Iraq was such a shock. Lol this is incredibly wrong
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DesperateDan posted:I dunno, find relevant red dwarf quotes then butcher them into an image using paint in a vague attempt at mimicry if I had to guess  NUREEK  RETUT  HANUNGA
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mfcrocker posted:Imagine being a Lib Dem in 2017. Imagine supporting that jibbering chimp as party leader. to be fair it's not as if they had a lot of people left to choose from.
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mfcrocker posted:Imagine being a Lib Dem in 2017. Imagine supporting that jibbering chimp as party leader. "We need a leader to drag us out of the mire of having broken our backs to support the Tories. I know, let's appoint the guy who looks like he's constantly realizing he's left the oven on."
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:"We need a leader to drag us out of the mire of having broken our backs to support the Tories. I know, let's appoint the guy who looks like he's constantly realizing he's left the oven on." 
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May 26, 2017 14:20
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I like how he switches it up at the end with the underhand grip.
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Oberleutnant posted:I like how he switches it up at the end with the underhand grip. I prefer a mixed grip myself.
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Plenty to criticise him on except 'he looks weird', which isn't how political discourse should operate.
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It shouldn't. But it does.
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number one pta fan posted:Plenty to criticise him on except 'he looks weird', which isn't how political discourse should operate. Well it's not like his intended policies will ever be relevant.
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number one pta fan posted:Plenty to criticise him on except 'he looks weird', which isn't how political discourse should operate. Considering the amount of scruffy confused jam grandad comments there have been in this thread its a bit late to start complaining now
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number one pta fan posted:Plenty to criticise him on except 'he looks weird', which isn't how political discourse should operate. His entire party's purpose is to be indecisive, wishy-washy and banal. Also he looks weird.
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His policies are a joke and his pissy little tiptoing around his anti-abortion stance and homophobia is pathetic. There isn't really much to discuss about Farron beyond him looking like a stunned newt.
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if the newspapers were leading with him looking silly i'd agree that's not on, but i hold this thread to a different standard. Speaking of looking silly,dispatch_async posted:
https://twitter.com/scottishlabour/status/868078347376578562 yes, that is a random Labour campaigner dressing up in a SNP rosette in order to get beaten in a photo op. Glamorous work.
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Angepain posted:if the newspapers were leading with him looking silly i'd agree that's not on, but i hold this thread to a different standard. Speaking of looking silly, ScotLab is the most petty, rinky-dink national party and it's loving incredible. I'm genuinely impressed that their entire platform is "We're Not The SNP".
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MrFlibble posted:Vote Corbyn, prepare for May. Vote defeatism, prepare for fist.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:ScotLab is the most petty, rinky-dink national party and it's loving incredible. I'm genuinely impressed that their entire platform is "We're Not The SNP". I am going to laugh so, so hard if Corbyn successfully forms a coalition with the SNP to form a government. The only thing that would make it better would be for Corbyn and Sturgeon to tag team poo poo on Kezia Dugdale's desk.
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