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If a team doesn't have good wave clear against Xul, he doesn't need to go near a tower to take it. Just constantly rotating to clear waves and spawn skeletons will naturally wear down towers with active defenders, and will take forts without.Spudd posted:It's also because pushing across the bridge is a death sentence in most games. You're extremely cramped and there are lots of heroes who can just impede your progress backwards. By the time you're at the bridge you shouldn't have a "solo lane".
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Nephzinho posted:By the time you're at the bridge you shouldn't have a "solo lane". The point is there's no reason to ever push the top lane in Dragonshire. So you can just let your solo guy safesoak without worrying about getting any siege damage in.
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May 26, 2017 15:41
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So Hanamura: at the QM, low/mid ranked level, if you knock down both of their forts and keep them from knocking down your forts, you are going to win the game. You don't really need to defend them pushing payloads, I mean, you should put in a token effort, but don't get wiped for it or lose a bunch of soak. Try to defend the payload as it crosses the lane so you get XP. They are gonna get it eventually. You don't need to be in a hurry to push your payload, you're gonna get them eventually, and they'll be worth more shots (with both forts that's almost HALF as many payloads you need to push). The camps give a shitload of XP, so if you can bribe or otherwise quickly do the camps, you don't even really need to soak both lanes. Just commit to pushing the forts, you don't have to 5 man a single lane, but splitting up over and over again to try to get picks, defend payloads, push payloads, rotate lanes, etc, is all a waste of time. If you get the forts down you win (assuming the other team isn't capable of just wiping you over and over). Obviously if you can get a keep that's super awesome with the sappers that spawn after. Have had a lot of teammates recently angry about people not pushing payloads or defending with their lives or whatever. None of that poo poo matters unless they are going to win with the next payload or boss.
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May 26, 2017 16:10
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GenericOverusedName posted:Man. Can somebody tell me how to Xul. I always feel completely worthless and ineffectual when I try to play him. I've been using him to counterpick other specialists with some success. He can bully Sylv/Azmo/Murky/Zagara really easily and reverse the lane momentum. It seems counter to his passive, but he really shines when he's roaming. Show up, scare whoever is pushing away, instantly clear the wave and replace with skeletons, wander off.
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May 26, 2017 16:31
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The skellies stick around until he makes new ones. It's why he's so good at roaming -- Q, W, let his trait make four new bodies, then mount and throw a bone prison on someone in another lane.
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May 26, 2017 16:32
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bamhand posted:The point is there's no reason to ever push the top lane in Dragonshire. So you can just let your solo guy safesoak without worrying about getting any siege damage in. Removing the enemy's top lane structures gives them no safe retreat zone up there and makes going for that shrine a very risky option. Heck even soaking past the bridge is not safe if your top fort is down since that huge opening above the bruiser camp exists.
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May 26, 2017 16:47
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Yo this new Brawl loving owns.
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May 26, 2017 17:37
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Isn't it the same one they've had twice already? Naz still doesn't have superstition right?
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May 26, 2017 17:44
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I love this brawl because you can just go absolutely nuts with Medivh on it.
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May 26, 2017 17:48
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The biggest thing that Xul brings to a team is that his root takes like 1.5 seconds to go off. This gives your teammates enough time to get their poo poo together.
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May 26, 2017 18:15
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This new brawl is great when you get all your team to pick Li-Ming and then throw gigantic purple globes around the arena. Li Ming in general seems to be super strong in comparison to the other mages.
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May 26, 2017 18:22
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jimmydalad posted:This new brawl is great when you get all your team to pick Li-Ming and then throw gigantic purple globes around the arena. Li Ming in general seems to be super strong in comparison to the other mages. It's the mobility and range. They built into her kit the parts they nerfed or took out of other mages within the first year. Guldan is pretty solid too/ditches the usual positioning and glass cannon weaknesses of other mages without sacrificing damage for it.
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May 26, 2017 18:28
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During a Brawl game the enemy team all picked Jaina. I was Nazeebo 
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May 26, 2017 18:28
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Orthodox Rabbit posted:I love this brawl because you can just go absolutely nuts with Medivh on it. Medivh seemed really lacklustre given he has exactly one damaging ability, whose cooldown reduction doesn't play well with the structure damage gimmick. Then again when I picked him it was against 3 Li-Mings and 2 Jainas.
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May 26, 2017 18:28
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Mierenneuker posted:During a Brawl game the enemy team all picked Jaina. I was Nazeebo Didn't they disable Superstition for this brawl ?
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May 26, 2017 18:56
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They did 😐
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May 26, 2017 19:43
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EdRush posted:We like to dump on the matchmaking but this is something that should never never happen even in quick match. Sonya/DVa/Zarya vs no tanks and Abathur. Honestly the worst mismatch on paper I think I've ever seen. Holy poo poo that's bad. That is awful, and it's more awful because by the QM matchmaking rules as we know them, that is absolutely one hundred percent a valid match for the game to make. I am in general not an advocate of adding a ton more matching rules for QM, but a screenshot like that is basically a distilled blast of why sometimes my opinion is rear end-fuckingly wrong. Basically the only thing I can think of to make it worse would be if the Genji had been Varian instead.
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May 26, 2017 19:49
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On the positive side his suffering only lasted 13 minutes.
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May 26, 2017 19:56
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Yeah and quite frankly if I was shown that matchup without the scores listed, I would have expected something a lot more lopsided than 11 to 20.
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May 26, 2017 20:01
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I wonder how many people that complain about QM matchmaking have played blind pick in other MOBAs
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May 26, 2017 20:39
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Kashuno posted:I wonder how many people that complain about QM matchmaking have played blind pick in other MOBAs Tangentially related, how does the role-select thing from LoL work and would it be a more viable addition here?
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May 26, 2017 20:50
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Toshimo posted:Li-Ming is great if you show up late to a fight and everyone is low. In a sustained fight where your team is gunshy or behind (QM), she burns mana too quick to be able to capitalize in my experience. Take Astral Presence at tier 1 instead of Power Hungry and you'll be able to sustain much better in teamfights.
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May 26, 2017 20:52
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Dumb Question: Is D.va the only hero who can disjoint projectiles in this game? A good amount of League experience and a shameful amount of DOTA games but I'm fairly new-ish to HOTS. Played a bit a long time ago and just started playing again a week before 2.0 dropped. D.va's been pissing me off since.
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May 26, 2017 20:54
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Kashuno posted:I wonder how many people that complain about QM matchmaking have played blind pick in other MOBAs I have not. Is it it better or worse?
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May 26, 2017 20:54
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Toshimo posted:Tangentially related, how does the role-select thing from LoL work and would it be a more viable addition here? Been a while since I played league, but iirc the way it ended up working out was "pick a primary and secondary role you'd like to play, then wait quite a while for the queue, then deal with the guy who queued up with ADC secondary and got stuck with ADC." Queue times were VERY bad for some roles, and you basically couldn't queue as support or "fill" as a secondary because if you did you'd get support 100% of the time. I think they've added an "exclude" option now for fill.
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May 26, 2017 20:58
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I would love something like that for ranked but it would make the queue times insane for the abysmal population.
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It also enforces a meta, showed you on the map the lane you were expected to play, and is all around bad time for anyone looking to have fun.
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Sab669 posted:Dumb Question: Is D.va the only hero who can disjoint projectiles in this game? zeratul and li ming can disjoint projectiles with carefully timed blink, tracer can disjoint with rewind and illidan with metamorphosis, any ice block type effect also disjoints
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May 26, 2017 21:08
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beejay posted:I would love something like that for ranked but it would make the queue times insane for the abysmal population. Queue times were abysmal even for the league population. It got to the point where for high rank (diamond-challenger) queue times could easily be upwards of 60 minutes.
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Belzac posted:It also enforces a meta, showed you on the map the lane you were expected to play, and is all around bad time for anyone looking to have fun. Check. Check. :recordscratch:
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Toshimo posted:Tangentially related, how does the role-select thing from LoL work and would it be a more viable addition here? It wouldn't. You queue up by lane position in league which isn't a thing in hots. There's still plenty of types of characters that go mid, you can still have clown shoes no tank
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What do people think of talents for nu-Alarak? At 1 and 7 specifically, I'm not really convinced that the Sadism-reducing talents at those tiers are all they're cracked up to be--especially the quest talent at 1. It is hard to get to 15, and the reward seems pretty anemic.
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May 26, 2017 22:32
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Lightning really isn't hard to stack and the slow and range are both excellent.
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May 26, 2017 22:51
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Is nitro still the popular dva talent? I still think it's trash
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May 26, 2017 22:54
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Varian not being classified as a tank makes me want to quit this loving game. I just want to practice Alarak!
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Ciaphas posted:What do people think of talents for nu-Alarak? At 1 and 7 specifically, I'm not really convinced that the Sadism-reducing talents at those tiers are all they're cracked up to be--especially the quest talent at 1. It is hard to get to 15, and the reward seems pretty anemic. Both Lightning talents are good at level 1. The healing boost one can be useful if you don't have reliable healing. Overall the quest one is better imo because once you complete it you get your sadism back. More importantly the slow it gives you lets you trigger the CD on auto talent you can pick up later. The rewards for the quest talent are pretty powerful. Make sure you're targeting the minions behind enemy heroes in lane to help stack it early. At 7 I think both telekinesis talents are good. The slow one has some decent utility but overall the the boosted push range on telekinesis has always been powerful. The sadism you loose for this should be compensated by the extra picks and safety you get from the boosted push.
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skipThings posted:Didn't they disable Superstition for this brawl ? They did, like others have said. Voodoo Ritual just made me very hard to kill. I guess it helped that we had a Medivh that was frequently point with shields, so I could take two people down without breaking a sweat. The times I did die, I just set them up to get mopped up by our Li Ming.
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Yeah, I got to pick Nazeebo in one earlier and even without a Medivh on our side I was walking all over the enemy team at points. I think I only died once and that was when I got too greedy trying to save the gems of our bad Jaina.
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Time to give up on Alarak a while, I think. I pulled Probius out of a box recently, what's his build du jour? Cannons or explosives?
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