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Mitsubishi is probably gonna try to cash their "favor" regardless of what side we're on.
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Yooper, is piracy something that can be done in engine? That is, can we radio unprotected ships and order them to our harbour instead of bombing them?
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May 26, 2017 21:13
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I bet it's the kind of thing you could do with the scripting system, though I have no idea how much effort it would take to make a piracy script or if it would work that well.
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May 26, 2017 21:16
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Crazycryodude posted:I bet it's the kind of thing you could do with the scripting system, though I have no idea how much effort it would take to make a piracy script or if it would work that well. Yeah that was basically my thought. Just curious.
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May 26, 2017 21:17
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Guys who didn't want a hundred pounds of diamonds now want to literally steal boats from poor fishermen. I like the cut of Native Corp, what with their being callous deporters and mass murderers, and the effect it's having on our mission goals. Could we start painting some disturbing native-esque blood red imagery on our planes?
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May 26, 2017 21:19
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TildeATH posted:Guys who didn't want a hundred pounds of diamonds now want to literally steal boats from poor fishermen. One side has a fleet of unmanned vessels, the other one is led by ted nugent. I see no moral quandry here. Its either piracy or bombing the poo poo out of them, frankly the latter option is preferable.
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May 26, 2017 21:22
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orcbuster posted:Yooper, is piracy something that can be done in engine? That is, can we radio unprotected ships and order them to our harbour instead of bombing them? Yes, it could be scripted. Once a set of conditions are met you could easily swap the sides.
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May 26, 2017 21:22
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I mean we made 50 million more dollars by not taking the diamonds so 
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May 26, 2017 21:25
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If the fishermen don't want to get bombed, they should be on strike, not acting as tools for their capitalist oppressors. Maybe piracy is what they need to awaken a little class consciousness. We're doing them a favor, really. Actually, are the Mitsu fishing workers unionized? Getting them to go on strike is honestly not the worst way to take them out of the theater without excess murder.
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May 26, 2017 21:26
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Crazycryodude posted:I'd say deny it unless they've somehow got a video of us taking a large sack labeled $$$ while explicitly saying "Yes hello Mr. Bulgarian Mobster we will fraud the bote for you". I agree with this general strategy, but not on the exact details. I wouldn't launch a complete, 100% denial just in case they do have incontrovertible evidence. Admit to having planes "in the air" (note the vagueness), and prepare a last-ditch "it was an accident/misidentification" style excuse in the event they do release effective proof showing it was us who did it.
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May 26, 2017 21:27
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orcbuster posted:One side has a fleet of unmanned vessels, the other one is led by ted nugent. I see no moral quandry here. The unmanned vessels are all in the shop because of the EMP.
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May 26, 2017 21:28
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Oh, yeah, we can't pretend that we weren't up there at all, they have hard irrefutable proof that at the very least our Saab was in the air and emitting. But we sure as hell don't have to admit we killed the boat unless they've somehow got hard proof for that, too.
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May 26, 2017 21:30
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TildeATH posted:The unmanned vessels are all in the shop because of the EMP. Good, harder to pirate unmanned and insured ships. (Though I suspect their premiums have skyrocketed recently.)
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May 26, 2017 21:31
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Mitsubishi is probably gonna try to cash their "favor" regardless of what side we're on. Agreed. The point I was ineptly trying to make was that when that time comes, it's better to be with the group where acquiescing won't have a high probability of pissing off our employers (since Mitsubishi will likely want Mitsuhashi to succeed, so if we're against them they'll probably want us to do something that helps Mitsuhashi and hurts the other guys - and since we'd be employed by the other guys, well...). Whereas the other options carry a non-zero risk that no matter what we do - doing Mitsubishi a 'favour' or telling them to get hosed - things are going to go poorly. It's entirely possible that I'm jumping at shadows and bigging up a danger that simply doesn't exist. I'll happily admit I'm wrong if need be. But it's worth at least considering the risks, right? Soup Inspector fucked around with this message at 21:37 on May 26, 2017 |
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May 26, 2017 21:35
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Crazycryodude posted:Oh, yeah, we can't pretend that we weren't up there at all, they have hard irrefutable proof that at the very least our Saab was in the air and emitting. But we sure as hell don't have to admit we killed the boat unless they've somehow got hard proof for that, too. This might just be my cautious, worst-case self talking, but we should assume that they do. The tone seemed very confident that they had the dirt.
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May 26, 2017 21:35
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Coiler121 posted:This might just be my cautious, worst-case self talking, but we should assume that they do. The tone seemed very confident that they had the dirt. Or we could spin it around and say: "Well our sources told us you had some birds in the air and we just acted accordingly....."
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May 26, 2017 21:38
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See, if we'd gone for Big Fella we wouldn't have this problem.
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May 26, 2017 21:40
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Soup Inspector posted:Agreed. The point I was ineptly trying to make was that when that time comes, it's better to be with the group where acquiescing won't have a high probability of pissing off our employers (since Mitsubishi will likely want Mitsuhashi to succeed, so if we're against them they'll probably want us to do something that helps Mitsuhashi and hurts the other guys - and since we'd be employed by the other guys, well...). Whereas the other options carry a non-zero risk that no matter what we do - doing Mitsubishi a 'favour' or telling them to get hosed - things are going to go poorly. I dunno, it wouldn't surprise me if some Mitsubishi exec tries cashing our favor to advance his career at some Mitsuhashi Exec's expense.
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May 26, 2017 21:40
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I dunno, it wouldn't surprise me if some Mitsubishi exec tries cashing our favor to advance his career at some Mitsuhashi Exec's expense. Now that's a fair point I hadn't considered (or more accurately had been giving short shrift). I 100% trust Yooper not to force us into a "gotcha!" situation, but I don't think he'll give us an easy ride either - and I don't think he mentioned Mitsuhashi and Mitsubishi's links for the hell of it. My gut feeling is that the unpleasant choice scenario is more likely if we plump for a non-Mitsuhashi employer. I'd love to be wrong, though.
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May 26, 2017 21:43
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Coiler121 posted:This might just be my cautious, worst-case self talking, but we should assume that they do. The tone seemed very confident that they had the dirt. That's just how a corporation (or really, anyone) talks when they're trying to blackmail you. Getting scared and worrying about what they MIGHT have is exactly what they want us to do, because that allows them an order of magnitude more leverage than what they actually have. What they actually have is a record that our Saab was emitting near our airbase for about half an hour. Nothing more. They know that it's not effective blackmail on its own, because if they go public with it, a random goon with no formal training can spin it enough that it won't particularly hurt us, much less what people like Jack can do. So they send us an ominous, vaguely worded letter implying that they might kinda sorta possibly maybe have more to get us scared and thinking what if they DO?, but it's all bullshit headgames and we can safely ignore it. If they want to call in something relatively minor, fine what the hell let's humor them. But if the favor is too much, we can tell them where to stuff it without too much fallout. Certainly not company ending fallout, at least. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 21:49 on May 26, 2017 |
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May 26, 2017 21:46
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Soup Inspector posted:Now that's a fair point I hadn't considered (or more accurately had been giving short shrift). I 100% trust Yooper not to force us into a "gotcha!" situation, but I don't think he'll give us an easy ride either - and I don't think he mentioned Mitsuhashi and Mitsubishi's links for the hell of it. My gut feeling is that the unpleasant choice scenario is more likely if we plump for a non-Mitsuhashi employer. I'd love to be wrong, though. Honestly I figure it'd probably be something similar to the DeBeers mission, going out of our way to accomplish something. Plus we can always tell Mitsubishi to go screw, even if we're working for Mitsuhashi.
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May 26, 2017 21:49
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Crazycryodude posted:That's just how a corporation (or really, anyone) talks when they're trying to blackmail you. Getting scared and worrying about what they MIGHT have is exactly what they want us to do, because that allows them an order of magnitude more leverage than what they actually have. Right. We'd know if they were radiating, which limits what they can have, especially considering which radars could've seen the Kfirs and who ended up with them (mostly bombs and us, NOT the free state). We could say that we had a transient past our land radar and we scrambled the Saab to keep track in case they went for a terrain following strike on us.
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May 26, 2017 21:54
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Is it technically conceivably possible that they could somehow know? Yeah, I guess, but it would mean us having an organization riddled with corporate spies or the Kfirs being fitted with bugs good enough that our tech guys missed them or some other equally implausible thing. No matter what, if SMARF can somehow prove we frauded the bote we've got much larger problems than whatever they want us to do, so don't worry too much.
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May 26, 2017 22:00
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Voting Closes in 2 hours. At the moment we are at an almost tie. If you change a vote, please do it after this post. If there is a tie I'm going to give my dog two treats. One with a BSNC on it, the other with Mitsuhashi on it. Whichever he eats first wins.
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May 26, 2017 22:17
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Crazycryodude posted:Is it technically conceivably possible that they could somehow know? Yeah, I guess, but it would mean us having an organization riddled with corporate spies or the Kfirs being fitted with bugs good enough that our tech guys missed them or some other equally implausible thing. No matter what, if SMARF can somehow prove we frauded the bote we've got much larger problems than whatever they want us to do, so don't worry too much. It's conceivable. They'd be able to get, not even eyewitnesses, just people who heard a bunch of jets take off. Shortly later, the boat blows up. The owner of the boat also happens to be the guy who runs the Bulgarian PMC, and they switch sides to us. There's a bit of smoke wafting from the gun here.
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May 26, 2017 22:19
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VOTE MITSUHASHI BOMB THE US KILL THE FISHSTICKS YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO
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May 26, 2017 22:20
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A Vote for Mitsuhashi is a vote for Boatloads of cash for buying botes.  A vote for Natives is a vote for SLAUGHTERS AND MASS GRAVES
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May 26, 2017 22:22
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Quinntan posted:It's conceivable. They'd be able to get, not even eyewitnesses, just people who heard a bunch of jets take off. Shortly later, the boat blows up. The owner of the boat also happens to be the guy who runs the Bulgarian PMC, and they switch sides to us. There's a bit of smoke wafting from the gun here. Lawyers call that "circumstantial evidence" and it's not nearly as convincing in court. The PR guys can spin it all away for the news, too. Just off the top of my head, we had planes taking off because our guys on the ground tipped us that the FS had their Wedgetail up so we were just being cautious, the Bulgarians surrendered because who the hell wouldn't when there are 24 SDB's pointing at you and the war's all over but the crying.
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May 26, 2017 22:23
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Yooper posted:Voting Closes in 2 hours. At the moment we are at an almost tie. If you do, please videotape it. Decisions by daugury should be shared.
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May 26, 2017 22:23
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Blugh ok, fine. Switch from natives to mitsu
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May 26, 2017 22:23
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You're breaking my heart here Slaan.
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May 26, 2017 22:24
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Yooper posted:Voting Closes in 2 hours. At the moment we are at an almost tie. Change my vote to whatever ensures a tie.
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May 26, 2017 22:24
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Galaga Galaxian posted:A Vote for Mitsuhashi is a vote for Boatloads of cash for buying botes. ftfy
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May 26, 2017 22:24
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Slaan posted:Blugh ok, fine. Switch from natives to mitsu This puts us at a tie. So, if you want to see dogmocracy...
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May 26, 2017 22:25
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Seriously we're all that stands between a good dogge getting two treats.
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May 26, 2017 22:25
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May 26, 2017 22:28
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Oh damnit, I can't be the one who lets that Good Boy miss out on two treats. Switching votes to whatever is necessary for dogmacracy
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May 26, 2017 22:29
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Shoot give that dog two biscuits.
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May 26, 2017 22:29
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The two options I like in contest and a dog gettin' treats? Awesome.
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Don't do it. Don't your dare do it. I know there is someone out there waiting to swoop in and deprive that good doggie of his two treats, but don't you do it.
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