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Evil Fluffy posted:He's their All told Asians are probably the better target for the GOP. They aren't European but their voters rely heavily on stereotypes and they could probably run with "quiet, hard-working people if a bit boring" to get the base online. Of course they'd have to get by the white supremacy to get there so even that might not be possible.
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The Glumslinger posted:He probably still is How many brain cells do the Trumps have all together?
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Michael Scott posted:You guys are thinking that this Kushner thing matters. Classic mistake. Go gently caress yourself.
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If these guys had just waited till they were in office to do this, would there have been any problem with this? It doesn't seem like the worst thing to have a back channel by itself. But, doing it before taking office and with the specter of collusion is incredibly dumb. Edit: but I am thinking about a back channel to have a candid conversation if needed. There is probably no good reason to have one the IC isn't supposed to know about. Raccooon fucked around with this message at 04:11 on May 27, 2017 |
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The Glumslinger posted:He probably still is haha that's probably true.
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Cabbit posted:If Christie manages to put both Kushners in jail I will buy that rear end in a top hat a drink. I hope you mean the biggest diet soda you can get at 7-11.
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PhazonLink posted:I hope you mean the biggest diet soda you can get at 7-11. The small time crime of loving with the NJ transportation seems quaint these days.
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I propose we have the forums autochange Jared Kushner to "GOOD KUSH 🙏"
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I know..."it's not treason because we aren't at war." But a lot of states have their own versions of treason laws, sedition, etc. even if nobody has ever once been charged for the crime there. And I would love to see a bunch of states charge Trump and crew with crimes, at which point federal pardons don't mean poo poo. Heck, in some states it'd be a death penalty case. (ex. statutes, CA, WA, FL) A guy can dream. Edit: Haha, all the GOP right now: WA RCW 9.82.030 Misprision of treason. Every person having knowledge of the commission of treason, who conceals the same, and does not, as soon as may be, disclose such treason to the governor or a justice of the supreme court or a judge of either the court of appeals or the superior court, shall be guilty of misprision of treason and punished by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars, or by imprisonment in a state correctional facility for not more than five years or in a county jail for up to three hundred sixty-four days. follow that camel!! fucked around with this message at 04:15 on May 27, 2017 |
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Deadulus posted:If these guys had just waited till they were in office to do this, would there have been any problem with this? Well, for one thing, if the President wants to have a candid conversation with the Russians he can just pick up the appropriate secure line. Doing it via unofficial contacts is just asking for things to be less secure than they should be. I thought Trump said something during campaign about what should be done about people who get sloppy with opsec....
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Hollismason posted:So what are the odds Puerto Rico becomes a state? Cause I am reading that there is a really big push for that right now. Puerto Rico kinda doesn't have a choice at this point; they do not have the money to continue their current territorial status.
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OddObserver posted:Well, for one thing, if the President wants to have a candid conversation with the Russians he can just pick up the appropriate secure line. Doing it via unofficial contacts is just asking for things Yeah plus this is a back channel that the Russian government and FSB would know about but the CIA and NSA were supposed to be ignorant of. However it looks like the American IC has been tracking this from the beginning. What is the innocent explanation for that lol
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Grapplejack posted:Puerto Rico kinda doesn't have a choice at this point; they do not have the money to continue their current territorial status. Well they kind of don't have a choice either way because even if they vote for statehood it's up to congress to ratify.
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OddObserver posted:Well, for one thing, if the President wants to have a candid conversation with the Russians he can just pick up the appropriate secure line. Doing it via unofficial contacts is just asking for things Yeah but he isn't Emailing while Woman.
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Holy gently caress http://www.wweek.com/uncategorized/...men-passengers/ quote:A man riding the MAX in Northeast Portland fatally stabbed two passengers who tried to stop him from hurling racial and anti-Muslim insults at women on the train, witnesses tell WW's news partner KATU-TV.
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Evil Fluffy posted:It's not like "the Irish are white people and not negroid monsters" is something that WASPs just all accepted immediately either. Yes it'd take years but it'd also allow a lot of awful and "I'm not racist, but" Hispanics to embrace the GOP when they otherwise wouldn't. I mean you already see the foundation for it with native born hispanic citizens who see immigrants and refugees as subhuman scum. Or the whitewashing that some people attempted for Zimmerman when he murdered Treyvon Martin. My mother, who was Irish/Italian and raised in Louisiana and was pretty racist in her younger years, would not believe me when I told her that both the Irish and Italians were not considered white people, not even very long ago. Made her super mad 
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After some reflection I have realised what this administration reminds me of. Justified. They are season villains from the TV programme Justified. Top to bottom it's Dewey Crowe in a suit.
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Flesh Forge posted:My mother, who was Irish/Italian and raised in Louisiana and was pretty racist in her younger years, would not believe me when I told her that both the Irish and Italians were not considered white people, not even very long ago. Made her super mad Mad how exactly? I feel she could be mad for a number of reasons. And did she learn anything from it?
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Well they kind of don't have a choice either way because even if they vote for statehood it's up to congress to ratify. It would be kind of a dick move to deny them, I think, even if it would shift the senate. I'm pretty sure they can tell Trump that it's been forever since a state was inducted and how big of a win that would be for a sitting president and he'd do that goofy face and sign whatever they want.
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Deadulus posted:Yeah plus this is a back channel that the Russian government and FSB would know about but the CIA and NSA were supposed to be ignorant of. However it looks like the American IC has been tracking this from the beginning. Let's find out: T.S. Smelliot posted:this poo poo grows increasingly absurd, so kushner was (rightfully) concerned over illegal wiretapping and requested his foreign communications be secure? A very subtle, nuanced take
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Moatman posted:Holy gently caress http://www.wweek.com/uncategorized/...men-passengers/ This is just gonna keep getting more common.
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Ice Phisherman posted:Mad how exactly? I feel she could be mad for a number of reasons. And did she learn anything from it? Specifically, she had a lot of bad prejudice against nonwhites, and when I pointed out to her that her own whiteness was only a recent thing, she got really angry at the notion that she might not be in the privileged class. She also had voted Republican her entire life, frequently telling me as I was growing up, "I'm a Republican because they're for the upper class of people" - when I got a little life experience I started telling her "but you're not IN the upper class of people, the only upper class people you even know are the ones you've worked for." Eventually she did change her views and I'm happy to say she even voted for Obama both times  She passed away two years ago and it's not totally a bad thing that she missed out on how hosed up things are now.
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Moatman posted:Holy gently caress http://www.wweek.com/uncategorized/...men-passengers/ Yeah, that's pretty hosed up. Hits close to home because I'm an Oregoon and would have done the same thing as those two who got killed for their effort. 
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follow that camel!! posted:I know..."it's not treason because we aren't at war." People keep saying this. It is inaccurate both in precedent (although you could argue that attempted rebellion is an act of war, and by extension the Blair Mountain stuff counts) and in statement - there's no explicit summary of what constitutes an enemy of the United States, and therefore no explicit summary of who you can't give aid and comfort to. More specifically, there's some room for waggle-handed weirdness with eg nonstate actors or, conversely, North Korea. Russia... probably doesn't count. Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 04:34 on May 27, 2017 |
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Tir McDohl posted:Go gently caress yourself. What's wrong with saying this now? I'm betting it doesn't matter, does that make me a dick? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Moatman posted:Holy gently caress http://www.wweek.com/uncategorized/...men-passengers/ Can we please make it so that the death penalty applies to pieces of poo poo like that guy?
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Michael Scott posted:What's wrong with saying this now? I'm betting it doesn't matter, does that make me a dick? Eat a dick.
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Michael Scott posted:What's wrong with saying this now? I'm betting it doesn't matter, does that make me a dick? It's complacency
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Flesh Forge posted:Specifically, she had a lot of bad prejudice against nonwhites, and when I pointed out to her that her own whiteness was only a recent thing, she got really angry at the notion that she might not be in the privileged class. She also had voted Republican her entire life, frequently telling me as I was growing up, "I'm a Republican because they're for the upper class of people" - when I got a little life experience I started telling her "but you're not IN the upper class of people, the only upper class people you even know are the ones you've worked for." Eventually she did change her views and I'm happy to say she even voted for Obama both times I feel the same way about a buddy of mine actually. He was an old hippie and I'm sort of glad he didn't go out seeing Trump in office. Was able to dodge Vietnam by going to Kent state the year after the massacre. Saw the worst excesses of conservatism of the time. Sorry about your mom. Hope you're okay. It's good that your mom was open to change. Once upon a time non Northern Europeans coming to the US were considered subhuman. Only after years and years were they considered white and were allowed to integrate. Mormons would be lumped into the lot as well as undesirables and while they're more accepted most Christians I know consider them heretics.
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Turtlicious posted:Eat a dick. theyre delicious
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/greatopinionman/status/868290625807974400 "Now who's holding the bag?" says Christie, secret sauce smeared upon his face.
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Moatman posted:Holy gently caress http://www.wweek.com/uncategorized/...men-passengers/ “He said, ‘Get off the bus, and get out of the country because you don’t pay taxes here,’ [he said he] doesn’t like Muslims, they’re criminals,” Evelin Hernandez said. Ironic words to say right before stabbing two people to death.
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Willo567 posted:Can we please make it so that the death penalty applies to pieces of poo poo like that guy? The death penalty only applies to white people if they killed a small child or something.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:People keep saying this. It is inaccurate both in precedent (although you could argue that attempted rebellion is an act of war, and by extension the Blair Mountain stuff counts) and in statement - there's no explicit summary of what constitutes an enemy of the United States, and therefore no explicit summary of who you can't give aid and comfort to. I thought you could only commit treason by aiding an enemy during a declared war. Is that incorrect? I guess this has been blurred somewhat by the expansion of the Presidents war powers though. There hasn't been a Congress declared war since WWII right? So it should be impossible to commit treason now. Anyone know exactly how all that works?
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Michael Scott posted:What's wrong with saying this now? I'm betting it doesn't matter, does that make me a dick? Probably because people are tired of seeing it. The mealy-mouthed "Nothing Matters" suggests that the speaker can't see the forest for the trees since it hasn't immediately resulted in arrests and jail time 20 minutes after the news came to light. It's at this point, unoriginal and untrue. Watergate took two loving years. Just because Trump and crew aren't currently wearing orange jumpsuits doesn't mean poo poo doesn't matter. Uncleanly Cleric fucked around with this message at 04:47 on May 27, 2017 |
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Deadulus posted:I thought you could only commit treason by aiding an enemy during a declared war. Is that incorrect? I guess this has been blurred somewhat by the expansion of the Presidents war powers though. There hasn't been a Congress declared war since WWII right? So it should be impossible to commit treason now. Anyone know exactly how all that works? The Constitution defined treason as "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort" and is further defined in US Code as "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere" So I think "there needs to be a declared war" is correct. If it isn't, that's still what the GOP will use so that they won't try anyone for treason.
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Spaced God posted:The Constitution defined treason as "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort" and is further defined in US Code as "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere" Yeah I take from that helping an enemy during a time when either they or the US has declared the war would be treason. So, a non state actor like ISIS may count but Russia currently definitely wouldn't.
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mcmagic posted:You guys who think rich and powerful people end up in jail for stuff like this in america are cute. The Intelligence Community views Jared as a traitor. He'll be lucky if he just ends up in jail.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Looks like an "or" after war to me there Yeah that's what I am trying to figure out. What counts as an enemy? I would assume some sort of declaration of war because otherwise you could get real loose with the definition.
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