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qirex
Feb 15, 2001

currently the bda recommends 1000 nits only for speculator highlights or other small areas and only for a brief time but that's assuming a light-controlled room so a tv in a sunny living room will need to be way super bright

quote:

BDA Authoring Guideline for HDR Content will be prepared to include the following recommendation text: “Maximum Frame Average
Light Level” not to exceed 400nits. Over 1000 nits should be limited to specular highlights which are expected to be a small
percentage of the picture area.
when dolby did the original vision presentation at ces a few years back they had to dial their crazy laser projector down after the first day because people were like running into things on the way out

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hifi
Jul 25, 2012

they're going to do the fade to white transition and ruin everyones eyeballs

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

does nobody read a single thing i put on here?

Average frame brightness doesn't change, its just specular highlights and other impossible exposure scenarios like unlit rooms with windows to sunny daylight outside.

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

400 nits average light level of a display is just STUPID, you better have died in the movie and just woke up from a coma, and are in the jonny ive white room in a horror film for that poo poo to occur.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




pagancow posted:

does nobody read a single thing i put on here? outside.

this fairly accurately reflects arguments on internet

pram
Jun 10, 2001

pagancow posted:

does nobody read a single thing i put on here?


lol no

pram
Jun 10, 2001
what a delightfully delusional statement

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

pagancow posted:

400 nits average light level of a display is just STUPID, you better have died in the movie and just woke up from a coma, and are in the jonny ive white room in a horror film for that poo poo to occur.


source [warning large boring pdf]

just admit it you edit those youtube videos where people make complicated inedible desserts

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

my work got me a new monitor! :unsmith:

it's a 20" 1600x900 edge-lit hp from 2012 :smith:

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

qirex posted:

my work got me a new monitor! :unsmith:

it's a 20" 1600x900 edge-lit hp from 2012 :smith:

quit

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

qirex posted:


source [warning large boring pdf]

just admit it you edit those youtube videos where people make complicated inedible desserts

The HDR10 spec was bad at launch, it's getting better, but i'm not sure if UHD-Bluray will need a version update like blu-ray got where the 2.0 discs pretty much broke on 1.0 launch units.

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009

qirex posted:

my work got me a new monitor! :unsmith:

it's a 20" 1600x900 edge-lit hp from 2012 :smith:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constructive_dismissal

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

this is me posting irl

qirex posted:

my work got me a new monitor! :unsmith:

it's a 20" 1600x900 edge-lit hp from 2012 :smith:

i work for a company whose bread and butter is selling dead trees and we literally never upgrade anyone with anything less than 24"

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


qirex posted:

my work got me a new monitor! :unsmith:

it's a 20" 1600x900 edge-lit hp from 2012 :smith:

better than mine

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


pagancow posted:

does nobody read a single thing i put on here?

Average frame brightness doesn't change, its just specular highlights and other impossible exposure scenarios like unlit rooms with windows to sunny daylight outside.

yes surely everyone will follow the standards

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

people follow the standards for rec.709 otherwise nobody would see anything near what you mastered.

longview
Dec 25, 2006

heh.
hey pagancow what gamma should i calibrate to when i like to watch movies in the dark?

displaycal says i should use 2.8

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

get 6500k bias lighting

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
it hurts to look at my hdr screen at night

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


I set my tv to vivid sport mode and turn all the options to max

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


sound comes out of the tv speakers and a Bluetooth sound bar at the same time because more sound is better

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

audio return channel

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

longview posted:

hey pagancow what gamma should i calibrate to when i like to watch movies in the dark?

displaycal says i should use 2.8

lol no.

2.2 in bright rooms. 2.4 in theater rooms with almost no light on when watching.

just go 2.2 if you ever turn the lights on, or have windows

pagancow
Jan 15, 2001

Video Stymie

HAIL eSATA-n posted:

I set my tv to vivid sport mode and turn all the options to max

you forgot "auto motion plus" so you can interpolate between ads faster.

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

i crank the gamma all the way to the end that lets me see in shadows better

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


if they didn't want us to turn everything up to 100 we wouldn't have the option :colbert:

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

HAIL eSATA-n posted:

if they didn't want us to turn everything up to 100 we wouldn't have the option :colbert:

Yeah I didn't pay good money to NOT use it at full strength.

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮

pagancow posted:

lol no.

2.2 in bright rooms. 2.4 in theater rooms with almost no light on when watching.

just go 2.2 if you ever turn the lights on, or have windows

good to kno

longview
Dec 25, 2006

heh.
alright so i'll give 2.4 a try

just bought this spyder 5 a week ago and it seems pretty ok, all my monitors look pretty similar now at least.

gotta laugh at how they sell express pro and elite versions with different "hardware functions" when it's the exact same device in the box. displaycal+argyllcms doesn't seem to care that i have the express one so functions like the ambient light meter work there despite allegedly being a hardware difference.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

HAIL eSATA-n posted:

sound comes out of the tv speakers and a Bluetooth sound bar at the same time because more sound is better

set the TV volume to 0 and try to train up your wife on using the other remote for volume

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)

smh if your tv doesn't automatically turn off the tv speakers whenever the soundbar turns on

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


~Coxy posted:

set the TV volume to 0 and try to train up your wife on using the other remote for volume

only an idiot would pay for speakers they don't use

plus the delay really widens the soundstage and warms my bits

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

lol if an undismissable "switching speakers to external amp" message doesn't block the bottom of your screen the first minute your tv is on

big shtick energy
May 27, 2004


fancy oppo Blu-ray player remote has an HDR button on it, presumably to enable and disable HDR output. why would you want to turn it off? Probably because with most current TVs and HDR sources turning on HDR mostly makes things lovely and dim. Like yeah maybe the extra bits have *~potential~* but at the moment it's poo poo

big shtick energy
May 27, 2004


as a bonus we found that an A/V receiver from a manufacturer of very expensive speakers is totally broken. It claims to support HDR and does not, and in fact violates the HDMI specification in a few important areas

Stymie
Jan 9, 2001

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
it's vitally important to me to be able to see every pore on an actor/newscaster's face when i watch tv

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

DuckConference posted:

as a bonus we found that an A/V receiver from a manufacturer of very expensive speakers is totally broken. It claims to support HDR and does not, and in fact violates the HDMI specification in a few important areas

I am not looking forward to buying a new receiver, my current one has been a champ and even the really expensive new ones I'm looking at all have something stupid about them like a giant remote with 200 buttons or only 3 hdmi inputs [srsly] and every single one lies about the amp rating

burning swine
May 26, 2004



things I discovered today:

monitors plugged into dells new thunderbolt dock (TB16) arent HDCP-compliant


lol

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Stymie posted:

it's vitally important to me to be able to see every pore on an actor/newscaster's face when i watch tv

no, only in porn

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~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

COACHS SPORT BAR posted:

things I discovered today:

monitors plugged into dells new thunderbolt dock (TB16) arent HDCP-compliant


lol

that doesn't surprise me that much since we have no end of trouble with new laptops not being able to charge off old docks even when Dell says they are cross compatible

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