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AegisP posted:American Gods is doing a fantastic job of making me wish even more for a Sandman TV adaptation. Yes, but I'd also much prefer no Sandman movie/tv series to a bad one.
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Honestly I hate the comic adaptation because unlike the show everything is in muted water colours and depressing as hell
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May 27, 2017 04:06
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hangedman1984 posted:Yes, but I'd also much prefer no Sandman movie/tv series to a bad one. Sandman would be so much harder to pull off than American Gods. It's much more scattered and well, dreamlike and doesn't always follow a continuing plot and the gods are all kind of their own little thing. Dream's connection to his siblings are more backstories and how they are in the current form than they are plot points. I'd say give it a go if they can figure it out but American Gods is a main plot with flavor scenes added. Sandman is a lot of flavor scenes with a main plot loosely tying them together. That's a pretty challenging thing to pull off without changing how it feels. I loved Sandman btw
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May 27, 2017 04:26
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Maybe Noah Hawley could handle the madness? 
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I feel like they'd blow their CGI budget just having to handle every scene Delirium is in
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Aesop Poprock posted:Sandman would be so much harder to pull off than American Gods. It's much more scattered and well, dreamlike and doesn't always follow a continuing plot and the gods are all kind of their own little thing. Dream's connection to his siblings are more backstories and how they are in the current form than they are plot points. I'd say give it a go if they can figure it out but American Gods is a main plot with flavor scenes added. Sandman is a lot of flavor scenes with a main plot loosely tying them together. That's a pretty challenging thing to pull off without changing how it feels. Depending on how long Legion lasts, Sandman might actually be doable.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Depending on how long Legion lasts, Sandman might actually be doable. poo poo I didn't even know that show existed
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I dunno, Sandman may actually be unfilmable. Or at least unfilmable well. The logistics for such a show would be a nightmare unless you took major liberties with the existing material...and if you took enough liberties to make it a coherent TV show, why bother paying the cash to make it Sandman in the first place?
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May 27, 2017 07:04
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What would be unfilmable about Sandman? The changes in scenario and budgetary limitations haven't been a huge roadblock for Dr Who. The main issue would be the narrative weirdness of a main character who barely shows up in 5% of most stories. It's a lot to ask of new viewers, but maybe after building up a name with American Gods, future audiences will be more willing to give Sandman a gamble. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 08:13 on May 27, 2017 |
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May 27, 2017 08:09
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Steve Yun posted:What would be unfilmable about Sandman? Well, let's see. 1) How do you cast it? You've got one main character, Dream, through the whole series. Virtually everyone else is either a one shot guest character or pops in and out almost at random. And even Dream disappears or has what amounts to a guest role a bunch of the time. 2) How do you visualize everything without either a huge budget or making your show like 90% CGI? American Gods, for all its fanciful elements, takes place much of the time from Shadow's point of view in the real world. Sandman spends huge swaths of time in the Realm of Dream, in people's dreams, in other Realms, and what time you do get in the real world is often in widely varied locations and eras in time. You're going to be hard pressed doing all that poo poo and making it look good on anything less than a truckload of cash, and you're going to have to have great ratings to make back that cash. 3) How do you keep an audience if you're constantly wandering off in weird directions that either don't connect to anything else or only do so years down the line? Let's be honest with ourselves. Sandman goes wandering off the beaten path from the very beginning and never really comes back. It's challenging and difficult and requires you to work at it to really get the most out of it. That's what makes it great. But that very attribute makes it a hard sell for a general TV audience. Twin Peaks and Pushing Daisies only lasted two seasons, after all, and both of them were less quirky and more narratively coherent than Sandman is. Now that isn't to say that you couldn't fix a lot of that. You could excise the Dream County stories, perhaps. You could introduce a human point of view character instead of following Dream around, maybe Rose or Barbie. You could have a fixed set for Dream's castle rather than an ever-changing one. But then you get back to one of my original points, which is that if you stray too far afield from what Sandman is, why should you bother paying to license it in the first place? Honestly, I really believe that Sandman is a product of both its time and its medium, and I have a hard time imaging anyone successfully making the transition from comics to TV or movies and having it be very satisfying.
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The only way Sandman would work is if it was done with a blank cheque, and no fucks given of who watches it. Just all in, let's ruin peoples brains. Snak, i just figured out the undertaker was writing all the arrival intros this week.  The whole Viking intro made me forget about it. Rocksicles fucked around with this message at 10:32 on May 27, 2017 |
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May 27, 2017 09:25
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God drat this show is pretty. Sure it might be a bit distracting to have all these coleidoscope-like magic events interrupting the story but they really add to the ambiance of the events going on around it.
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evilmiera posted:God drat this show is pretty. Sure it might be a bit distracting to have all these coleidoscope-like magic events interrupting the story but they really add to the ambiance of the events going on around it. I love the intro. It's extremely american in a way that almost makes me feel patriotic.
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May 27, 2017 11:19
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I love the intro. It's extremely american in a way that almost makes me feel patriotic. Finally the midwest gets to be the focus in a TV show instead of LA or NYC
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May 27, 2017 12:50
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What the gently caress is sandman? Are you people not talking about the show?
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Sickening posted:What the gently caress is sandman? Are you people not talking about the show? I may go so far as to talk about Lucifer the comic book series or Good Omens the novel.
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May 27, 2017 14:48
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I read Sandman and it wasn't really that great Maybe I am just not the target audience I like Weird stuff but Sandman was mostly just dull
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Sickening posted:What the gently caress is sandman? Are you people not talking about the show? Its the comic book series that put Neil Gaiman on the map. The fact that American Gods by Neil Gaiman seems to be doing well as a TV series led some of our more optimistic fellow goons to suggest that Sandman could also be successfully adapted. I disagree.  Fartbox posted:I read Sandman and it wasn't really that great Yeah, it ain't for everybody. Which is one reason I'm dubious about it succeeding as a TV show.
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jng2058 posted:Its the comic book series that put Neil Gaiman on the map. It's also where he introduced some ideas about that would eventually germinate into American Gods.
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jng2058 posted:Its the comic book series that put Neil Gaiman on the map. The fact that American Gods by Neil Gaiman seems to be doing well as a TV series led some of our more optimistic fellow goons to suggest that Sandman could also be successfully adapted. I think you could successfully adapt it. But there's no way you could successfully faithfully adapt it. You'd need to take an attitude more like the adaptation of Lucifer, taking the bare bones of the concept and rebuild it as something that works for TV. Rabid fans would hate it, but the graphic novels as written just would not work on screen, and at least we'd get something watchable. Of course a faithful panel to screen adaptation might be at least an entertaining car crash.
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SiKboy posted:I think you could successfully adapt it. But there's no way you could successfully faithfully adapt it. You'd need to take an attitude more like the adaptation of Lucifer, taking the bare bones of the concept and rebuild it as something that works for TV. Rabid fans would hate it, but the graphic novels as written just would not work on screen, and at least we'd get something watchable. Of course a faithful panel to screen adaptation might be at least an entertaining car crash. successful + faithful in any adaptation is difficult to accomplish. The most faithful adaptation I can think of was Watchmen - they changed the ending in a specific way to make it work better, but the overall substance was very well done. The fact that it made some money (not a lot) was surprising.
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Absolutely, I'm bang alongside changing things when the story changes medium. Books, films, comics, books and videogames are all different with different strengths and expectations. To me that's why they are called adaptations, because you actually have to do some work and actually adapt the thing. It's very rare that someone can just point a camera at a book and end up with a good visual work without at least tweaking it. Same way that you can have a great movie but if all you do to make it a novel is stick some linking paragraphs into the shooting script it'll be a terrible book. But watching superfans lose their poo poo over minor changes from the source material in the transition between mediums is something of a hobby.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Sandman would be so much harder to pull off than American Gods. It's much more scattered and well, dreamlike and doesn't always follow a continuing plot and the gods are all kind of their own little thing. Dream's connection to his siblings are more backstories and how they are in the current form than they are plot points. I'd say give it a go if they can figure it out but American Gods is a main plot with flavor scenes added. Sandman is a lot of flavor scenes with a main plot loosely tying them together. That's a pretty challenging thing to pull off without changing how it feels. While I agree about the comic as a whole, I think you could make a great season/film out of the The Doll's House
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precision posted:While I agree about the comic as a whole, I think you could make a great season/film out of the The Doll's House
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I mean I wouldn't mind them changing Sandman a bit, I mean they could divert entirely from the source material and have a satisfying ending.
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Good news for the thread about the American Gods TV show - the 5th episode is live on my cable on demand. I haven't checked, but I would assume it's also on Starz Play and all other cable providers.
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try the new taco place posted:Good news for the thread about the American Gods TV show - the 5th episode is live on my cable on demand. I haven't checked, but I would assume it's also on Starz Play and all other cable providers. It is and it appears to be jumbo sized.
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try the new taco place posted:Good news for the thread about the American Gods TV show - the 5th episode is live on my cable on demand. I haven't checked, but I would assume it's also on Starz Play and all other cable providers. This is a wonderful change compared to shows that take Memorial weekend off
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It drops OnDemand/Online at midnight EST, but spoiler etiquette has decided it's tag-worthy prior to the Sunday air-time.  That being said: "The last time I kicked a guy in the nuts..."   
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May 28, 2017 06:56
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That was such a combination of awesome and "wha... But... Anatomy? Other bones?" It was pretty great.
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Snak posted:That was such a combination of awesome and "wha... But... Anatomy? Other bones?" Even better for being true! 
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Aesop Poprock posted:poo poo I didn't even know that show [Legion] existed Everyone in this thread who hasn't seen Legion needs to do so immediately.
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Very little actually happened this ep but drat if it wasn't riveting.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Very little actually happened this ep but drat if it wasn't riveting. New thread title?
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Heaps happened, it just felt like a Quaalude. The music was so sick. As a someone surrounded by Irish, I must say Pornstach has got so much right with his character. It's really funny.
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Gotta hand it to Gillian Anderson, she's nailed Media. (And to whoever does her music, yeah.)
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a kitten posted:05 That entire scene with the Media's entrance, the morphing head, Glover's delivery. Absolutely amazing. Also, Gillian Anderson as Bowie just killed it. War of the Worlds Sound Cue sold that Bowie scene
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Rocksicles posted:Heaps happened, it just felt like a Quaalude. The music was so sick. It saddens me that people think of him as Pornstache and not Nicky Sobotka.
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The intro story of the mammoth old god was beautiful. Does someone knows who was in charge of the whole animation? Gillian is amazing on this.  Her David Bowie and Marylin was so perfect. I most also agree that Crispin Glover was amazing as well. drat. And I was laughing at Odin's raven knocking on the door. Finally, this shows has some really strong Hannibal vibes, it makes me sad because I keep wondering how weird that series could had been in a different network.
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