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paragon1 posted:Or at least their pension fund offices. Goldman Sachs is right down the street  xthetenth posted:Freeing us from the chains of capital is a worthy goal. Yooper, if we get 475m, can we buy our shares in the company back?
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Night10194 posted:If we get to fight moon nazis this will be the best LP ever despite any misgivings or thread strife. As long as they have orphanages and we include atmospheric charges to make sure the napalm works. And we call off the mission at the last minute because the clone of Hitler offers us 500lb in Nazi Diamonds.
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Loel posted:Goldman Sachs is right down the street That is a very interesting question. I'll have to read up on corporate valuations, I do believe we're worth more than we were during the IPO phase. Now we've proven we can not only make money, but we have significantly more assets on the books.
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Buying back our shares would mean we get some more breathing room before having to start the Revolution, I'd be down for it if we can afford it. No matter what, this ends with seizing the means of destruction and nuking Wall Street, though.
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Crazycryodude posted:Buying back our shares would mean we get some more breathing room before having to start the Revolution, I'd be down for it if we can afford it. I also like the idea of being a worker owned military/state. Like Prussia, but the soldiers have equal say in policy. What even is that, militant syndicalism? Right wing anarchism?
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I think it's closest to the idea of professionalized military unions within a larger syndicalist structure. Though if the military union(s) are dominating the state/other unions.... hmm. Time to go check out some books.
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May 29, 2017 02:06
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A military owned and run by its own soldiers? Diamond Dogs? Militaires sans Frontiers? Outer Heaven? Metal Gear!?
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May 29, 2017 02:08
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Big Boss was a socialist all along
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We should only buy back the shares from the teachers union pension. Those sickos are bloodthirsty maniacs that will call for anything in pursuit of the almighty dollar. Goldman wants steady, unobtrusive growth with the long term in mind. Like any good investment company 
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May 29, 2017 02:09
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Yooper posted:so the dogmocracy method doesn't get old Does not compute.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Does not compute. You have to think about the dog's health too you know. Can't feed to her too much, she'd get fat.
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omegasgundam posted:You have to think about the dog's health too you know. Can't feed to her too much, she'd get fat. We only do new decisions what, once a week? She'll be fine
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Joe getting extra treats just means Yooper has to take them on more walks. There is only good for the dog in dogmocracy.
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Loel posted:We only do new decisions what, once a week? She'll be fine But its the PRINCIPLE of the thing! What would we mercenaries be without principles? 
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 Ice. In the Bering Sea the ice is everything. It dictates what you fish for, how you fish, and how much time until it returns. Every year it comes back, but every summer it recedes even further. Mitsuhashi has taken advantage of this fact and eagerly plowed across what was once an ancient land bridge and into the arctic sea itself.  Or at least that was the plan before some rear end in a top hat set off an EMP optimized nuclear weapon. But that's old news to us, so let's see how the situation is looking! Mitsuhashi At the moment 8 of the massive processing ships are afloat amidst the midnight sun. Each is tended to by a maintenance tug while the teams work furiously to get them operational again. It's going to take another week, at least, to get them up and running and out of the area. Or, if they feel comfortable enough, they'll keep operating. The Dutch PMC, Dunkirkers, are currently holding north of us in the protected areas under SAM cover. The coast is lined with a variety of SAM-1C Tan-SAM Kai launchers paired up with older Vulcan M163A systems. There's also a line of older Japanese surplus radars. This is what covers the strait and then some. There's also a big golfball looking thing north of us, a FPS-3 BMD. But, since you know, a nuclear weapon went off, all of this poo poo is half-rear end fried.  There is three more processing ships coming in from south. These are covered by... drumroll please... SMARF. Yah. Smarf is also working for Mitsuhashi. They're based out of Emellen Airbase. I'm not sure on the exact make up of the units but it's looking like Japanese made fighters and bombers. There AO is due south, covering the supply approaches from Japan and back. Bering Sea Native Corp Once they'd "secured" the airfields they flew in a few plane loads of people to take over the boats. Yah. Boats. Not only did they capture the Sea Shepherd but also a group of surplus French missile boats. The Flagship, F 792 Premier Maitre L'Her is somewhere near Savoonga. We're not sure how operational those ships are just yet. On land they've got other French ground units including some Roland AA. And, unfortunately, some Mamba's. Depending on the location they can almost reach our birds the moment they take off from Provd. Expect that island to be well fortified from aerial attack. There's a big pack of either Cubans, South Americans, or both, covering the air on Savoonga. These guys look mean, if rather cold.  We're still not sure what the end game is. Our Mitsuhashi contact says the corporation is still researching the legal aspects of the BSNC charter. So for now consider us to have leeway in regards to that area. Iceberg Nome is bustling like it's the new gold rush. Tourists are flying in to see Ted Nugent and Ted is flying around shaking hands with all the locals. We've got media shots of what appears to be some Norwegian fast attack missile boats. The photos are all focused on Ted so it's hard to know for sure. What we do know for sure is they have surplus US equipment including a line of FAA radar on the coast. This is protected by either Patriot batteries, Vulcans, or both. Way off to the east is Clear Air Force Station with a massive ballistic missile warning system. Expect this data to go to the folks at Iceberg.  They've hired the services of some batshit crazy French-Canadians. Seems there's not many people who can operate in this sort of weather, but Canadians can. Neutrals Over 200 fishing vessels are traversing the area ranging from little cod boats all the way up to cannery ships. These are to be left alone. Mitsuhashi is requiring positive target verification prior to engaging any sea target. Operatives Zack is going to get us some satellite feeds. This may be live, or it may occur prior to the mission. In addition he might deploy a couple of drones in the AOO. Cobbie is still making his way North. It took him a few days to round up his crew from the various bars, bordellos, and strip clubs in Australia. Once Cobbie is up here we can begin planning some ground ops.  Mission More details to come, but Mitsuhashi has recognized that they have been mistaken in thinking that the rule of law is effective here anymore. Previously they were content to just continue to fish and block any attacks. Now that things have escalated they are willing to back more... aggressive ventures should we be able to prove ourselves. My contact went on about some analogy involving a snow monkey, three bottles of wine, and a comb, but the gently caress if I know what he was talking about. Long story short, we gotta cover them boats while they're getting patched up and maybe get a chance to potshot the neighbors. Jack  Oh, and Jack has a hunch that Smarf isn't there to cover the boats but to keep us "honest". Gotta love a lobbyist talking honesty.
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Welp, our corporate overlords are going to want improved metrics every eval period. Which means we need to half rear end the first few missions enough to make improvement easy while still keeping our contract.
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Or it means we need to sabotage the other mercs they hired so we can take over their jobs.
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Honestly knowing how our arrival in whatever AO tends to cause things to escalate dramatically I think it'll be fine. Enough poo poo will go crazy that we'll have to be constantly improving.
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In fairness: Stuff escalates because we escalate it. We're pretty aggressive.
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"Norwegian fast attack missile boats" huh. Sounds like MTBs (Motor Torpedo Boats) to me. Skjold (Shield) class at a guess, or possibly Hauk (Hawk). Those things are murder. For reference: Hauk class MTBs come equipped with 6 Penguin missiles, 2 torpedoes, Mistral missiles, 40 mm cannon and two 12,7 mm machine guns. If we want to secure Mitsu boats, we'll want to prioritize those things. Condoleezza Nice! fucked around with this message at 03:34 on May 29, 2017 |
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I want to at least get the first mission in the bag, get the lay of the land, before we start plotting who to double and triple cross, backstab, betray, bribe, and blackmail
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Going to want the Gorgon Stare to do the hard looking at a lot of small targets, I think. We may need to use it fairly forward and would need to protect it. e: Oh! But good news in this timeline: ice still exists in the arctic!!!
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You people better not get MEAT's drone destroyed  he has grown quite attached to that thing!I haven't tested Gorgon Stare vs ships but I assume given past performance it'll be spotting them from like, before it left Angola. Identifying might be harder. Also don't forget a bunch of our planes can mount targeting pods which would be good too and would have the advantage of "any ability to dodge whatsoever" should things inevitably go sideways.
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The freezing Arctic should be a nice change of pace for Cobbie and his friends. Maybe the cold will even deter his ex. Also of note, the russians have a militarized border with restricted access for non-military that runs up to maybe 250nmi south of our theatre. I thought this would be worth mentioning because if the Russians want to intervene, they're in a good position to do so.
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Condoleezza Nice! posted:"Norwegian fast attack missile boats" huh. Sounds like MTBs (Motor Torpedo Boats) to me. Skjold (Shield) class at a guess, or possibly Hauk (Hawk). Those things are murder. For reference: Assuming there's nothing heavier than this kind of thing, all that's being packed (that we're going to care about for air losses) is MANPADs (Mistrals and the like) so like 3 nmi range. We should be able to identify our targets from outside that range whether with MEAT's Gorgon Stare or some other CCD/Visual method. We're probably going to want to have the Mirages and/or a Tornado playing recon also, and don't forget we have a MPA for identifying targets purposes. We should be good to go as far as the target identification goes.
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quote:The coast is lined with a variety of SAM-1C Tan-SAM Kai launchers paired up with older Vulcan M163A systems  Oh VADS, how I love thee! Let me count the *VVRRRRRRRRTTTTT*s!quote:But, since you know, a nuclear weapon went off, all of this poo poo is half-rear end fried. ahem. Anyway, while not explicitly mentioned I'm a little worried about subs. One MPA, as good as it may be, can only cover a small area of a very large ocean and an old diesel or even a dinky narcosub (with, I dunno, frogmen or limpet mines or something) that gets past us can do some serious damage. Good news though! Once we get to the midmission Willie Sales Extravaganza I've got the perfect choice for additional MPAs for us! I'll wait until them to get into it. Some hints though. They're cheap! They're plentiful! They can shoot rockets for some reason! ...did I mention they're cheap? Oh, and one last little hint as to why we should get them: they look like this 
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Ok, here's a bit of unit analysis. For the BSNC, we have 60 nm Mamba SAM clusters, which fling top of the line Aster 30s with 8 missiles per launcher. A cluster has 4 launchers, so that means 32 tubes ready to go. They also have a reload, so don't count them out in extended operations. On the bote side of things, the Premier could be worse. It only has Blk 2 Exocets, so it's strike range is 32 nm. It's gun has 7 nm against other botes, so that might also be a problem. It's AA consists of MANPADs, so it's not a huge concern. We don't really know what to expect in terms of planes though. They might have Soviet era birds from Cuba or what ever the hell the various South Americans use. That might consist of everything from A-4 Skyhawks, F-5E, Mirage IIIs to 2000s, and Kfirs. We might even get F-16's and Su-30s from Venzuela, but I think the government would dump their F-5s first. Unless this really is a covert operation. Iceberg is slightly less concerning on the SAM front. I'm willing to be that they have PAC-2 Patriots, which have 55nm, notably inferior accuracy, and no reloads. The bote front is more troubling. I'm going to say that they have a mix of Hauks and Skjords. The Hauks aren't a huge problem, with only a four pack of 20 nm Penguins missiles, but the Skjords are a much larger issue. They have a whopping 8 Naval Strike Missiles, with 100 nm range. They could easily one shot any of the boss's autoships, so we need to get them out of the picture as soon as possible. For planes, they almost certainly have CF-18's with AMRAAM Cs and JDAMs, so they are going to be a problem. On the plus side, they only have Sidewinder Ls, so there's that. For our friendlies, I don't think we can count on the SAMs. Even discounting the EMP damage, their Tan-Sams only have 8 nm. The Dutch should be flying F-16AM or BMs, so are stuck with AMRAAM Bs. They do have Sidewinder X-2s, so they can take care of themselves in a dog fight. They can also fling Paveway IIIs and JDAMs, so they can take out any ship that leaves coastal SAM coverage. They also have SDBs for if we REALLY need to take out targets. They might also have some Reapers, but who knows. We've seen the SMARF before, and we know they have a Wedgetail EWACs. Assuming their using F-2s and F-15Js, so they have more AMRAAAM C knockoffs then they know what to do with, and if they've retained any Korean Golden Eagles they also have the ground attack role covered. IF we're going to see any friendly ships, they're going to be JSDF Hayabusas. They have a four pack of 100 nm SSM-1Bs, but no air defense worth mentioning. It's possible that a Hatsuyuki DD might get leased, and those have 14 nm Sea Sparrows, put I don't think it's going to happen omegasgundam fucked around with this message at 04:50 on May 29, 2017 |
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omegasgundam posted:Ok, here's a bit of unit analysis. The Mamba SAMs also have a 90 nmi radar, and considering their position, they will know when we launch and what we launch. That thing really needs to go. Also the Dutch bring botes, not planes. If we're looking at national equipment, the Dutch Navy does not have Motor Torpedo Boats or Fast Attack Craft. They have some lightly armed (no missiles) long range patrol vessels, with an excellent sensor suite for their size. They have the Karel Doorman frigates, which will probably all have been sold to foreign navies by now, but are still fairly capable. And then they have the De Zeven Provinciën-class air defense I'm expecting the Dutchies to be bringing the DZP class ships to be honest.
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Skjold is stealth too, as is it's missiles, just remember that. Could be Hauks too as 5 were sold to an english buyer back in 2008 but both are likely.
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RandomPauI posted:Why are the Dutch here again? Mitsuhashi paid them.
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RandomPauI posted:Why are the Dutch here again? they're bote mercs, so I assume they're here to get paid.
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Dance Officer posted:The Mamba SAMs also have a 90 nmi radar, and considering their position, they will know when we launch and what we launch. That thing really needs to go. Where was it stated that the Dutch are bote based?
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orcbuster posted:Skjold is stealth too, as is it's missiles, just remember that, I wonder if spray when they're moving fast is modeled as being decidedly non stealthy.
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xthetenth posted:I wonder if spray when they're moving fast is modeled as being decidedly non stealthy. Well radar signature is listed as virtually invisible when compared to similar size vessels. Moreso for the NSM. Interception might not even be an option if launched. orcbuster fucked around with this message at 05:18 on May 29, 2017 |
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I'm thinking we are going to want to put all our strength into an active defense until our employers get their big capital assets mobile. That means a CAP that can shoot down planes before they get into missile launch range and recon patrols investigating any sea going contacts that look like they might be vectoring in for an attack. I'm hoping that once the big trawlers are able to redeploy we'll be able to convince our client to work with more of a distributed convoy setup instead of just going all over the place. Might be a tough sell if they decide to prioritize MAXIMUM FISH over silly things like their ships being less likely to explode. Yooper posted:That is a very interesting question. I'll have to read up on corporate valuations, I do believe we're worth more than we were during the IPO phase. Now we've proven we can not only make money, but we have significantly more assets on the books. Are we closely held between the pensioners and GS or are we publicly traded? Also does HG itself retain control over any of its own stock are are we wholly owned by those two? The great thing about publicly traded stocks is that the prices they're trading at can be hilariously off from the value of any assets the company actually holds. Our stock could be worth drat near anything but considering our very public successes it's probably way more than when we started. Going private could be very difficult in this situation but not impossible. If we are closely held, then our value is probably much closer to what we are actually worth. What we are actually worth will largely depend on how the equipment we own is being depreciated and how highly any non-tangible assets are valued ( ex. what's the HG's brand worth?). Assuming those wash out I'd say we are probably worth about double the initial investment. Buying out the investors in this situation will be very difficult if we own any of our own stock, as they have much less reason to actually sell it to us since they get 10% of our revenue (which is an insanely good for them btw). If we are wholly owned then you can pretty much forget it. We don't even get a seat at the table in that conversation, legally and financially speaking. Apologies for the above  that are not about planes and botes and explosions.
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