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Barreft posted:If anyone likes the weirdness and mystery of Twin Peaks but hates how slow and boring it is, along with the creator jerking himself off with weird things that mean nothing just to appear "out there" or whatever, give Legion a try. It's just as weird but has a story and isn't filmed with 50% silence/staring every episode. This is really helpful to me, a person who watched the episodes, thought "this is too slow paced for me", then went to the Something Awful Twin Peaks Thread and read all 37 pages hoping someone would tell me what to watch. I'm definitely a real person and there are thousands like me. We are all banding together to give you a medal and a lovely big cake.
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Barreft posted:BCS has a story and a plot. If I had to watch 20 minutes of Saul Goodman making coffee and farting then finally just get up and walk out the door yeah I wouldn't like it either. I mean this show has a story and plot. It uses a pretty specialized vocabulary that it developed over the first two season. We understand everything that we are meant to at this point. The stuff with the eyeless women is unclear for now (except for the practical mechanics of what happens in the scene). That stuff may not be totally decipherable yet but it was creepy and intense and moody. I understand how if none of that landed for you the scene would be boring but swaggering into the thread and being like "let me tell you about a little show called Leigion" is pretty goofy. On a related note I think it's kind of incredible that the show has trained it's audience to an extent that a lot of the Black Lodge stuff IS largely readable despite seeming like nonsense when written out. Sam Sanskrit fucked around with this message at 03:19 on May 29, 2017 |
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May 29, 2017 03:16
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really liking this so far, except for the amnesia plot line, because those are terrible
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eSporks posted:She didn't mosey back down, that was a different girl. I said he moseys back down. It doesn't suck. I really liked episode 4 because stuff actually happened. Ep. 3 was just a piece of poo poo and incredibly boring and people get really defensive so here I am typing how I feel about it. e: If you notice I haven't been combative or calling people stupid like someothers. People get real passionate about their shows I guess. Barreft fucked around with this message at 03:25 on May 29, 2017 |
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May 29, 2017 03:22
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Legion is legitimately garbage, and this is coming from an austinite who is inherently compelled to defend Noah Hawley The show poopoo stinks Meanwhile for all us box-watching enthusiasts I'd recommend serial experiments lain
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atrus50 posted:Legion is legitimately garbage, and this is coming from an austinite who is inherently compelled to defend Noah Hawley I can't even parse half this post. What does "box-watching enthusiasts" and "serial experiments lain" mean?
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I don't get the criticism of this as just weird for the sake of being weird, because "weird" is such a broad term. I mean Twin Peaks is weird, The Leftovers is weird, Xavier Renegade Angel is weird, the Transformers movies are weird, that criticism is weird. But they're all very different, under the same general adjective. Lynch creates a certain mood, tone, and symbolic vocabulary that is unique to him. The pacing is a big part of that.Barreft posted:I can't even parse half this post. What does "box-watching enthusiasts" and "serial experiments lain" mean? Serial Experiments Lain is another tv series, and I guess they mean people who liked the sub-plot of the guy hired to watch the box would like that show too.
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Barreft posted:
Not like when you came in here to tell people to watch Legion instead, that was a cold-blooded move devoid of any passion whatsoever, right? If the show is too slow for you then it's too slow for you, but you look like a dumbass when you act surprised that people get defensive when you insult the things they like. If you hated episode 3 there's without a doubt going to be more episodes like that going forward. But if it means that much to you I will tell the next stranger I meet to watch Legion and buy Legion on dvd and blu ray.
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May 29, 2017 03:37
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Tallgeese posted:Not being streamed early again? I'm re-watching 3 & 4 though because I can't go another week without this show  [intense ominous whooshing]
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May 29, 2017 03:42
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If I were to recommend a show developed by fox that has lynchian sensibilities I would recccomwnd king of the hill. Please watch king of the hill and buy king of the hill blu rays and dvds
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atrus50 posted:If I were to recommend a show developed by fox that has lynchian sensibilities I would recccomwnd king of the hill. Please watch king of the hill and buy king of the hill blu rays and dvds I tell you hwat
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atrus50 posted:If I were to recommend a show developed by fox that has lynchian sensibilities I would recccomwnd king of the hill. Please watch king of the hill and buy king of the hill blu rays and dvds 
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Cicadalek posted:Not like when you came in here to tell people to watch Legion instead, that was a cold-blooded move devoid of any passion whatsoever, right? You can watch Twin Peaks AND Legion! Are we really at the point we can't discuss opinions at all? quote:Not like when you came in here to tell people to watch Legion instead, that was a cold-blooded move devoid of any passion whatsoever, right? Like that's loving embarrassing it's only a tv show, and I'm not a dumbass because I simply want to discuss what I feel is wrong about the show. And yes I *AM* surprised at the response, it's only a tv show and I've said my opinion and have been called all kinds of names, THAT'S embarrassing. Calm the gently caress down we have Trump as president and you're being a baby over an opinion of a tv show only 4 episodes in.
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Having finally finished my Twin Peaks re-watch after already catching the first four of the new season I am left with one question before I move onto the expanded Fire Walk with me. How's Annie?
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Barreft posted:You can watch Twin Peaks AND Legion! Hey friend, you don't know me, but I'm here to tell you there's this amazing new show called Legion that you gotta see. It's got style, action, everything. It's available on dvd and blu ray and you'ld be a fool not to buy the full set. E: Posted this in the wrong thread, sorry
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Barreft posted:I'm not a dumbass Well
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNynxWZK30A
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Papa John Misty posted:This has probably been asked and answered but in Episode 3 is the casino cashier wearing The Ring? 
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Thank you! We can get back to arguing over whose posts are worse now
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This is probably nothing and there are only two points on this line. But this is the second white cup with a single letter in the show. The first is the coffee cups with a Z on it handed to the box watching dude by his girlfriend.
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Barreft posted:So the Asian woman wasn't anyone special? Did it need to take 1/3 of an episode of staring and camera shakes to get to that point? Jesus. Then did the whole space climb and her fly off into the universe and he just moseys on back down mean anything either? We don't know that she was or wasn't anyone special, and whether she's a character we already know (the original series had one asian woman character, Josie Packard, who was last seen trapped in a wooden drawer knob) or someone who will come into play later in the season. Twin Peaks isn't paced like other TV shows.
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So about the final episode of season 2, I'm wondering if Cooper fleeing his doppelganger was the wrong thing to do. Aren't you supposed to confront your shadow? Is that why Cooper became trapped for 25 years?
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May 29, 2017 05:21
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Every scene of the real Cooper since he came back into the real world is some of the best tv I've ever seen.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Every scene of the real Cooper since he came back into the real world is some of the best tv I've ever seen.
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Kulkasha posted:So about the final episode of season 2, I'm wondering if Cooper fleeing his doppelganger was the wrong thing to do. Aren't you supposed to confront your shadow? Is that why Cooper became trapped for 25 years? I really like how much of a sense of uncertainty you get with the supernatural stuff, it's not like a video game or a set puzzle, you kind of have to feel your way around it and hope you don't gently caress up.
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Cooper hosed up when he didn't suck the fire out of his doppelgänger's head
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Kulkasha posted:So about the final episode of season 2, I'm wondering if Cooper fleeing his doppelganger was the wrong thing to do. Aren't you supposed to confront your shadow? Is that why Cooper became trapped for 25 years? That's the logic I'm working from. Each curtain he moved through was a trial and he failed when he had to confront his evil side. Major Briggs said he was scared Love wouldn't conquer all, and he was right. Coop's "love", for Annie or whatever, wasn't enough when faced with his own capabilities of evil.
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Kulkasha posted:So about the final episode of season 2, I'm wondering if Cooper fleeing his doppelganger was the wrong thing to do. Aren't you supposed to confront your shadow? Is that why Cooper became trapped for 25 years? although my feelings is that it was about him buckling under the pressure, and kinda panicking
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I liked the Michael Cera scene
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Barreft, if this helps, my guess with the place at the start of 3: Hawk describes the Lodges in the original series as being the concepts that his people had of two parallel incarnations of some spiritual plane. The White Lodge was where the spirits who ruled over humanity and the forces of nature dwelt in peace, while the Black Lodge was the "Shadow self" of the White Lodge, a darker place, full of tests and tribulation and where you would face your own shadow self (see: Dopplegangers), who served as one such test that, if faced with "unperfect courage" would basically result in the destruction of the one who was tested. Meanwhile, you also have season 2's antagonist, Windom Earl (Cooper's former mentor and partner in the FBI), who learned of the Lodges through his own government work possibly relating to some of the Project Bluebook stuff happening in the first two seasons with Maj. Briggs. His own description seems to match up with Hawk's description, that the White Lodge was a place of beauty and peace, where people did good for no reason beyond doing good, while he seemed to assign the Black Lodge a certain level of power that someone with the right knowledge and determination could harness to effectively change the world; he also described it as basically being full of howling mad spirits ready to tear you apart just as soon as say hello. So the basic gist is: The Lodges are essentially the Cosmology of the Twin Peaks Universe. You've got the mundane world and then you got the crazy, next-level-up poo poo that consists of the Red Room (said to be the "Waiting Room") and the strange beings who exist there (along with the dead, in some cases). Episode 2, Cooper's basically dropped out of there into the vast Cosmic void until he manages to land on some weird-rear end place with an infinite cosmic sea. So then, really what is all this? What are all these people? The blunt answer is something, I think, along the lines of "The Cosmic Existence beyond the mundane world of humans, the entities/spirits that live in it and work in it, all perceived as best a human mind can probably perceive this crazy poo poo that's well beyond the comprehension of a human brain to perceive and make sense of."
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Franchescanado posted:That's the logic I'm working from. I think Hawk's explaination pretty much agrees with that viewpoint; from the previous series: quote:Deputy Tommy 'Hawk' Hill: My people believe that the White Lodge is a place where the spirits that rule man and nature reside. There is also a legend of a place called the Black Lodge. The shadow self of the White Lodge. Legend says that every spirit must pass through there on the way to perfection. There, you will meet your own shadow self. My people call it The Dweller on the Threshold. EDIT: One can suppose that Dale hasn't necessarily yet failed in his confrontation with his shadow self, but perhaps his arc this season is essentially having to continue to engage with it, lest he be annihilated.
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Its a pretty common idea in fiction that when humans come up against forces completely outside of our understanding of the universe we experience them as familiar things skewed by dream logic. For example, the Q in Star Trek.
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Franchescanado posted:That's the logic I'm working from. Like, when the Laura doppelganger confronts him multiple times, it serves as a warning of what he's about to face. Maybe it was his guilt over Caroline that unraveled his resolve? He seems confused as soon as Caroline and Annie become mixed up. Did he lose focus? Is that why he's nearly braindead now?
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Lord Krangdar posted:Its a pretty common idea in fiction that when humans come up against forces completely outside of our understanding of the universe we experience them as familiar things skewed by dream logic. For example, the Q in Star Trek. I'm reminded of that whole "Flatland" concept, where a two-dimensional being would perceive a three-dimensional being as essentially a chaotic mutation of shapes as it passed through its plane. Basically the bullshit nonsense of the Lodge and its denizens are our chaotic mutation of familiar shapes.
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Lanz posted:I think Hawk's explaination pretty much agrees with that viewpoint; from the previous series: This indicates a Gnostic layering to the Peaksverse, where the White Lodge is the actual source of existence and the Black Lodge serves as a sort of Demogorgon, warping its power to create the Material World. It would certainly fit with the timelessness of the otherworlds and the statements Jeffries makes in FWWM.
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Lanz posted:I'm reminded of that whole "Flatland" concept, where a two-dimensional being would perceive a three-dimensional being as essentially a chaotic mutation of shapes as it passed through its plane. If I remember correctly the Secret History of Twin Peaks book says something very similar to that, near the end.
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For what it's worth I think he is nearly braindead because his doppelganger is still out there. Evil Cooper also didn't seem very functional in the prison interview scene.
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You know what I still want to know? What the hell happened to Maj. Briggs in the Lodge that he came back in an full set of early 20th century aviator gear EDIT: Like, Cooper went in and came out with his FBI uniform, sans shoes. Briggs goes in wearing camping gear and comes back looking like he just loving went toe to toe with the red baron.
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JazzFlight posted:Ehhh, with the way this show deals with supernatural elements, it's easy enough to recast but give it a rational explanation like the Lodge's magic changed his body. what's his deal anyway, I'm not sure i understand what happened to him in the movie
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