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Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Tree Goat posted:

the legend of the 10 elemental masters

I've been hanging out in the Sci-Fi thread and have discovered that book is a genre now

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hog fat: Aug 31, 2016; my radical adherence to stoicism demands I be a raging islamophobic asshole. perhaps ten more days on twitter will teach me the errors of my ways

ugh the book by the strangely balding gay buddhist is so gooodddd. gently caress you. anything written in the after 1921 is complete poo poo.

# ? May 20, 2017 21:45

chernobyl kinsman: Mar 18, 2007; a friend of the friendly atom; Soiled Meat

Guy A. Person posted:

What else is thread canon? Dictionary of the Khazars? Anything else?

at swim two birds probably

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Mr. Squishy: Mar 22, 2010; A country where you can always get richer.

Blinkin' in the Lardo

# ? May 21, 2017 01:50

Rolo: Nov 16, 2005; Hmm, what have we here?

Just finished Pevear and Volokhonsky's Crime and Punishment. I liked it.

Should my next Dostoevsky be The Brothers Karamazov or The Idiot?

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Ras Het: May 23, 2007; when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.

BK is more similar to c&p but idiot is better

# ? May 21, 2017 02:31

Heath: Apr 30, 2008; 🍂🎃🏞️💦

Rolo posted:

Just finished Pevear and Volokhonsky's Crime and Punishment. I liked it.

Should my next Dostoevsky be The Brothers Karamazov or The Idiot?

Now go read Oliver Ready's translation of C&P.

# ? May 21, 2017 02:31

Tree Goat: May 24, 2009; argania spinosa

i like karamazov more than the idiot, and i vote

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A human heart: Oct 10, 2012

chernobyl kinsman posted:

petition for lincoln in the bardo to be added to the official thread canon alongside aquarium, by david vann

the thread cannon, where all the books in it have to be shot into the stratosphere

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Nanomashoes: Aug 18, 2012

The Bible

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Peel: Dec 3, 2007

Capital: Critique of Political Economy

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Finicums Wake: Mar 13, 2017; Can't post for 8 years!

A human heart posted:

I think Bernhard agrees

"The activity that goes on in schools, and especially in secondary schools, consists of constantly cramming the pupil full of putrid, useless knowledge and so turning his whole nature into the antithesis of all that is natural. The result is that whenever we have dealings with the products of such schools, we find ourselves dealing with unnatural people, whose real nature the schools have managed to destroy. Secondary schools, and, above all, grammar schools, serve only to putrefy human nature, and it is time we considered abolishing these centres of putrefaction, as in fact they should be, because it has long been obvious that they are nothing but centres for the putrefaction of human nature. They deserve to be abolished. The world would be better off if all these so-called middle schools, grammar schools, secondary schools, and so on were abolished and we were to confine education to elementary schools and universities. For elementary schools are not destructive, they do not destroy anything in a young person's nature; and universities are there for those who suited to the pursuit of learning and would be equipped fora higher education even without having attended a secondary school. Secondary schools, on the other hand, should be abolished because they bring inevitable ruin upon a large proportion of the young. Our educational system has become sick over the centuries, and the young who are forced into it are infected and become sick in their millions, with no prospect of a cure. If society wishes to change, it must change its educational system, because if it does not change, if it does not impose some restriction on itself and acquiesce to a large extent in its own abolition, it will assuredly be at an end. As for the educational system, it must be changed fundamentally. Changing a bit here and a bit there is not enough. Everything should be changed - unless we want to see the earth populated solely by unnatural people who have been destroyed through the wilful flouting of nature. And the first institutions to be abolished should be the secondary schools, in which millions of young people are placed every year to face sickness and annihilation."

I finished gathering evidence pretty recently. It was good as hell, especially the part when he runs into that construction worker he vaguely remembered from childhood, the guy says 'nothing matters,' Bernhard adopts it as his motto and they have lunch. My edition came with essays on his prizes and I think maybe some speeches he gave, but I haven't read those.

Which Bernhard would oyu recommend, given that I've also read The Loser, The Limeworks, and Extinction?

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david crosby: Mar 2, 2007

Finicums Wake posted:

I finished gathering evidence pretty recently. It was good as hell, especially the part when he runs into that construction worker he vaguely remembered from childhood, the guy says 'nothing matters,' Bernhard adopts it as his motto and they have lunch. My edition came with essays on his prizes and I think maybe some speeches he gave, but I haven't read those.

Which Bernhard would oyu recommend, given that I've also read The Loser, The Limeworks, and Extinction?

Correction!

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Lunchmeat Larry: Nov 3, 2012

Concrete

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Mr. Squishy: Mar 22, 2010; A country where you can always get richer.

Second for Correction, but I also enjoyed Woodcutters which has a lot of him bitching about Austria's artistic society.

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doug fuckey: Jun 7, 2007; hella greenbacks

It's taken me weeks to read Woodcutters, it's exhausting and there's no logical pause points, being one long paragraph. I guess it's pretty good, though.

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Mr. Squishy: Mar 22, 2010; A country where you can always get richer.

I always just take like a weekend, he really is exhausting

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A human heart: Oct 10, 2012

I read bernhard and everyone else on the bus and train.

# ? May 24, 2017 10:45

CestMoi: Sep 16, 2011

I've been meaning to read Bernhard for ages but instead have been reading loads of Percy Bysshe Shelley things and let me tell you: the Revolt of Islam is insanely apropros given the current political climate

# ? May 24, 2017 12:53

Mr. Squishy: Mar 22, 2010; A country where you can always get richer.

Has anyone read any David Albahari, he seems to have taken a few cues from Bernhard in terms of density of style, but also things happen so maybe he's not taken enough.

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WAY TO GO WAMPA!!: Oct 27, 2007

Not sure if too many of you guys were into him, but Denis Johnson died:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/26/530182989/denis-johnson-author-of-jesus-son-and-tree-of-smoke-dies-at-67

# ? May 26, 2017 17:47

Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

He was a good writer and should have won the Pulitzer too bad the Pulitzer committee are piss babies

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Oxxidation: Jul 22, 2007

WAY TO GO WAMPA!! posted:

Not sure if too many of you guys were into him, but Denis Johnson died:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/26/530182989/denis-johnson-author-of-jesus-son-and-tree-of-smoke-dies-at-67

Johnson was one of my favorite authors and The Incognito Lounge was loving revelatory to me when I was younger. I'm in mourning.

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Mover: Jun 30, 2008

thinkin bout how much this thread loves Aquarium...

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BravestOfTheLamps: Oct 12, 2012; by FactsAreUseless; Lipstick Apathy

Dryden's Aeneid is a real delight.

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ulvir: Jan 2, 2005

Mover posted:

thinkin bout how much this thread loves Aquarium...

now that,s what i call an aquarium

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Guy A. Person: May 23, 2003

I feel like people were talking about A Little Life in here before?

Anyway I am reading it right now and it is great

# ? May 31, 2017 21:06

BravestOfTheLamps: Oct 12, 2012; by FactsAreUseless; Lipstick Apathy

Is that the insane melodrama? It sounds amazing.

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hope and vaseline: Feb 13, 2001

A Little Life is misery porn. I guess it's good if you're into that.

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Guy A. Person: May 23, 2003

hope and vaseline posted:

A Little Life is misery porn. I guess it's good if you're into that.

Oh well poo poo, I am not that far in yet, I assume it is building to horrible times for everyone (it seemed like it could definitely head that way but I was hoping for the best :smith:

)

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blue squares: Sep 28, 2007

Guy A. Person posted:

I feel like people were talking about A Little Life in here before?

Anyway I am reading it right now and it is great

its good, OP

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CestMoi: Sep 16, 2011

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Dryden's Aeneid is a real delight.

ewww @ circa 1700 english translations of epic poetry imo

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Mel Mudkiper: Jan 19, 2012; At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

CestMoi posted:

ewww @ circa 1700 english translations of epic poetry imo

rare moment of cest/mel consensus

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chernobyl kinsman: Mar 18, 2007; a friend of the friendly atom; Soiled Meat

i also agree but im just some rear end in a top hat

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BravestOfTheLamps: Oct 12, 2012; by FactsAreUseless; Lipstick Apathy

Well at least it's not Alexander Pope's Homer.

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CestMoi: Sep 16, 2011

I've not read Dryden's Virgil, but if it's anything like Pope's Homer it's wonderful to pick up and read bits of and a godawful slog to actually try and read.

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CestMoi: Sep 16, 2011

Speaking of dodgy translations of poetry I picked up Cathay by Ezra Pound and it's stunning. Sounds as lovely as the Cantos and doesn't make me feel stupid. 5/5

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Carthag Tuek: Oct 15, 2005; Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
sl�gt skal f�lge sl�gters gang

Do any translations exist where the author already published their own? Like an author publishes a book in his mother tongue, then releases a translated version internationally. Then the author dies and someone else makes a new translation. Has that ever happened at all?

Any languages, really, the idea just showed up

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Bandiet: Dec 31, 2015

CestMoi posted:

Speaking of dodgy translations of poetry I picked up Cathay by Ezra Pound and it's stunning. Sounds as lovely as the Cantos and doesn't make me feel stupid. 5/5

I would say it goes well beyond "dodgy translation" and more into "adaptation" territory, though not, of course, to the extent of Homage To Sextus Propertius.

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Bandiet: Dec 31, 2015

Powaqoatse posted:

Do any translations exist where the author already published their own? Like an author publishes a book in his mother tongue, then releases a translated version internationally. Then the author dies and someone else makes a new translation. Has that ever happened at all?

Any languages, really, the idea just showed up

Nabokov's Laughter In The Dark was translated Russian-English by someone else first, and then later translated by Nabokov himself. As for self-translations that are the original translations, for example all of Beckett's work, I don't know why another translator would opt to undermine the author's own edition.

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