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Jakabite posted:Could this actually happen? I still doubt it however (for my sins) I was watching Victoria Derbyshire this morning and was genuinely shocked at the pasting the Tories were taking from the public on all sorts of issues - particularly social care but also terrorism and the NHS. It was like the room was rigged. VVV This could be true but could also be a good sign that they are genuinely concerned about how motivated their vote are. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 11:33 on May 29, 2017 |
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Jakabite posted:Could this actually happen? The tories have been trying to talk up labour's chances in order to get their base terrified of impending jam man communism, so saying this sort of thing to the press may well just be part of their strategy.
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May 29, 2017 11:26
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Angepain posted:The tories have been trying to talk up labour's chances in order to get their base terrified of impending jam man communism, so saying this sort of thing to the press may well just be part of their strategy. This seems less wise now that the polls actually are getting troublingly close - it runs the risk of emboldening Labour supporters while demoralising your own.
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May 29, 2017 11:29
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please make the jam man prime minister 
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May 29, 2017 11:30
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Any outcome that results in Lynton Crosby being associated with campaign gently caress-ups is OK by me
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May 29, 2017 11:36
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It's been really loving weird seeing Corbyn being given a more fair assessment in the various media outlets, and then seeing May and her cohorts – who normally get a free pass – actually being taken to task on how horrible their policies are. Have the PLP called off the attack dogs for the time being?
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May 29, 2017 11:40
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The rules are different in elections.
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May 29, 2017 12:02
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Angepain posted:The tories have been trying to talk up labour's chances in order to get their base terrified of impending jam man communism, so saying this sort of thing to the press may well just be part of their strategy. To some extent, but it's ridiculous to think that they called the election hoping that their own manifesto would be so unpopular that their head election strategist would be briefing against it in the Times to try and salvage his own reputation. Darth Walrus posted:This seems less wise now that the polls actually are getting troublingly close - it runs the risk of emboldening Labour supporters while demoralising your own. Does anybody else remember the video posted in here the other week of a voter saying he hated all Tory policies but he was going to vote Tory because Labour couldn't win?
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May 29, 2017 12:05
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The rules are different in elections. I was told it only applies to television media though.
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May 29, 2017 12:05
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^ radio as well afaik. The rules are here: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv-radio-and-on-demand/broadcast-codes/broadcast-code/section-six-elections-referendums
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May 29, 2017 12:05
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dispatch_async posted:Does anybody else remember the video posted in here the other week of a voter saying he hated all Tory policies but he was going to vote Tory because Labour couldn't win? It's from John Harris on Anywhere But Westminster, but I can't find the actual tweet with the video. And yes it does seem like a crazy strategy, so many people in vox pops have been saying "I agree with Corbyn but I'm not going to vote for him because he can't win" so surely the Tories saying "actually, he can" would backfire massively.
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May 29, 2017 12:10
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Here's (supposedly) a leak of a poll coming out this evening: https://twitter.com/seantduffy/status/869092696933236736 pinch of salt etc
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May 29, 2017 12:14
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I can see it already: Prime Minister tim farron
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May 29, 2017 12:16
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Scikar posted:It's from John Harris on Anywhere But Westminster, but I can't find the actual tweet with the video. And yes it does seem like a crazy strategy, so many people in vox pops have been saying "I agree with Corbyn but I'm not going to vote for him because he can't win" so surely the Tories saying "actually, he can" would backfire massively. What I don't understand is why such people don't just not vote. Voting for the party with polices you dislike because the party you do agree with can't win? What logic is that.
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May 29, 2017 12:19
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Kurtofan posted:I can see it already: Prime Minister Looking forward to PMQs with Loser Fuckface Nerd.
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May 29, 2017 12:19
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Regarde Aduck posted:What I don't understand is why such people don't just not vote. Voting for the party with polices you dislike because the party you do agree with can't win? What logic is that. Their ego can't take being wrong, but it can't take losing even harder.
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May 29, 2017 12:22
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Regarde Aduck posted:What I don't understand is why such people don't just not vote. Voting for the party with polices you dislike because the party you do agree with can't win? What logic is that. Lots of thick people
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May 29, 2017 12:23
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The rules are different in elections. For the print media?
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May 29, 2017 12:24
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Scikar posted:It's from John Harris on Anywhere But Westminster, but I can't find the actual tweet with the video. And yes it does seem like a crazy strategy, so many people in vox pops have been saying "I agree with Corbyn but I'm not going to vote for him because he can't win" so surely the Tories saying "actually, he can" would backfire massively. I think they have confused their caricature of Corbyn with the public's current opinion of him. It's a lot to do with the broken electoral system and basic human psychology but man does people's desire to be on the winning team get tedious.
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May 29, 2017 12:26
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As a more neutral casual observer and a child of the 1970s, I find it quite amazing that all these Labour policies and ideologies that were simply normal Labour before Blair and his new labour wankers, are being called commununist. New Labour always seemed to me to be the Tory party for people who didn't want to vote Tory because of Thatcher.
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May 29, 2017 12:27
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learnincurve posted:As a more neutral casual observer and a child of the 1970s, I find it quite amazing that all these Labour policies and ideologies that were simply normal Labour before Blair and his new labour wankers, are being called commununist. New Labour always seemed to me to be the Tory party for people who didn't want to vote Tory because of Thatcher. Thatcher would have agreed with you
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Regarde Aduck posted:What I don't understand is why such people don't just not vote. Voting for the party with polices you dislike because the party you do agree with can't win? What logic is that. They more than likely just don't vote.
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Theresa May accused of being 'Donald Trump's mole' in Europe after UK tries to water down EU climate change policyquote:Theresa May has been accused of being Donald Trump’s “mole” in Europe after leaked documents showed the UK attempted to water down EU policies designed to tackle climate change. ffs
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May 29, 2017 12:32
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deletebeepbeepbeep posted:A friend of mine voted leave because he was pissed off at the cost and process he had to go through for his US girlfriend to live here, so it was basically a vote in spite so that EU immigrants have to go through the same thing. "Americans/Australians/[White English speakers] have to jump through hoops while immigrants can just waltz in" was up there in the list of Leaver complaints, I believe.
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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learnincurve posted:As a more neutral casual observer and a child of the 1970s, I find it quite amazing that all these Labour policies and ideologies that were simply normal Labour before Blair and his new labour wankers, are being called commununist. New Labour always seemed to me to be the Tory party for people who didn't want to vote Tory because of Thatcher. This is a popular analysis in certain quarters but even a basic understanding of the policies and results of the last labour government reveals it to be wrongheaded.
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dispatch_async posted:Theresa May accused of being 'Donald Trump's mole' in Europe after UK tries to water down EU climate change policy the 51st state
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dispatch_async posted:Theresa May accused of being 'Donald Trump's mole' in Europe after UK tries to water down EU climate change policy I don't understand for a second the argument against these sorts of regulations. Even if everybody is wrong about climate change you've invested in energy sources that pollute your country less and lower energy bills. Oh the horror! It's like wanting the freedom to have beaches covered in poo poo.
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May 29, 2017 12:34
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Benjamin Arthur posted:Not much really but the line of thinking that all leave voters are racist or thick is just intellectually lazy and it's something that's quite common in this thread. 
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May 29, 2017 12:35
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dispatch_async posted:Theresa May accused of being 'Donald Trump's mole' in Europe after UK tries to water down EU climate change policy Time for a Bristol burger party?
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May 29, 2017 12:36
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In North America, some people say jelly, but others do say jam.
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Thanks Ants posted:I don't understand for a second the argument against these sorts of regulations. Even if everybody is wrong about climate change you've invested in energy sources that pollute your country less and lower energy bills. Oh the horror! It's like wanting the freedom to have beaches covered in poo poo. Do they lower energy bills? I'd always heard that nuclear and renewables were more expensive. I'll admit that I haven't looked into it in detail, though.
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dispatch_async posted:Theresa May accused of being 'Donald Trump's mole' in Europe after UK tries to water down EU climate change policy Al Gore could have been President and May would still be doing this, the Telegraph and Mail in particular are really wound up about incandescent bulbs and inefficient vacuum cleaners for some reason and the Tories really love making a big show of standing up to Barmy Brussels about pointless poo poo.
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Lightning Lord posted:In North America, some people say jelly, but others do say jam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM7o0FxjWJo (Jellies and jams are actually slightly different things and maybe Corbyn's first act as PM can be to legislate to remove this ambiguity)
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Pissflaps posted:This is a popular analysis in certain quarters but even a basic understanding of the policies and results of the last labour government reveals it to be wrongheaded. Actually it's right. In fact it is both a popular and super-right analysis.
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May 29, 2017 12:49
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Darth Walrus posted:Do they lower energy bills? I'd always heard that nuclear and renewables were more expensive. I'll admit that I haven't looked into it in detail, though. LED lighting as an example is dirt cheap now, gives a light quality that in many cases can exceed incandescent, and costs a shitload less to run. The Mail still want their light bulbs back after Brexit, but the rest of the world has moved on. If regulatory changes hadn't nudged consumer habits then it's unlikely the market for the products would have existed to impact development and costs in the way that it has.
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Darth Walrus posted:Do they lower energy bills? I'd always heard that nuclear and renewables were more expensive. I'll admit that I haven't looked into it in detail, though. A lot of the cost of nuclear power is from political sources rather than practical ones
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Lightning Lord posted:In North America, some people say jelly, but others do say jam. Aren't they different things? Don't jellies not have seeds or something?
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Benjamin Arthur posted:Not much really but the line of thinking that all leave voters are racist or thick is just intellectually lazy and it's something that's quite common in this thread. How so? There are mountains of polling and other evidence to back up this line of thinking. And personally I've never encountered a leave voter who wasn't stupid or racist or both.
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Darth Walrus posted:Do they lower energy bills? I'd always heard that nuclear and renewables were more expensive. I'll admit that I haven't looked into it in detail, though. Nuclear is expensive because it's rare and the infrastructure and specialists just aren't there. If we built as many reactors as we have gas plants the price would come right down. But you know, we might get an inland typhoon that causes a meltdown. Reminder most gas cooled reactor designs are safe even in the event of total cooling failure. It just seems when new reactors do get built it's some gen 2 pressurised water design.
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Thanks Ants posted:LED lighting as an example is dirt cheap now, gives a light quality that in many cases can exceed incandescent, and costs a shitload less to run. The Mail still want their light bulbs back after Brexit, but the rest of the world has moved on. My boss goes out of her way to buy the old style light bulbs from some shady shop lol.
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