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Gorilla Radio posted:Já, takk. The first is what I'm looking for. Don't worry about it. We're all busy. Post that poo poo when you're done
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Tias posted:Post that poo poo when you're done
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Yeah, some genius in the Dakota Access Pipeline thread got sadbrains when I claimed you couldn't call sabotage of corporate property violence, goes to show some people ate the glue in school I guess.
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So Iceland isn't becoming more left wing?
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Mar 21, 2017 23:48
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No, last election brought in what is arguably the most right-wing government we've ever had! We have actual libertarians in the halls of power now, not just dumb neoliberals Including at least one in the opposition
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Deceitful Penguin posted:No, last election brought in what is arguably the most right-wing government we've ever had! :O
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Were necropants (the internet says the word is nįbrók?) ever a real thing someone made, or is it just a folktale?
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fantastic in plastic posted:Were necropants (the internet says the word is nįbrók?) ever a real thing someone made, or is it just a folktale?
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May 10, 2017 12:47
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As far as we can ascertain, yes, it's true. A lot of icelands history is oral, so we've got to go on what was recorded when the switch to written was made.
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May 10, 2017 13:13
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We've certainly killed people for lesser reasons and done more stupid things on the promise of money.
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May 10, 2017 13:18
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What is this I hear about Iceland practicing anarchy in the old days?
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May 11, 2017 00:38
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Necropants are, as far as I know, primarily a early modern phenomenon and there are at least a couple mentions of them in grimoires from that era.
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punk rebel ecks posted:What is this I hear about Iceland practicing anarchy in the old days? I guess it goes down to how we had a variant of the big-man societal form a fair while longer than the rest of Europe and failed to feudalize properly. We did have laws and sometimes they were even followed but yeah, there was no central authority or state as such. Retroactively giving it the status of anarchy is, hrrmm. Idk, you could I suppose.
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punk rebel ecks posted:What is this I hear about Iceland practicing anarchy in the old days? Anarchy in that they they didn't have any form of police or centralized state. There were plenty of laws and the althing, the parliament, even had a official called the Lawspeaker whose job it was to be chairman and remember all the laws and recite them to the assembly because there wasn't any writing beyond basic runic inscriptions so all oft the law was passed down orally. The lawspeaker obviously had to be an expert and a lawyer of sorts which could be consulted if there were any doubts or complications. Things basically worked like this: FreudianSlippers posted:In the Icelandic Commonwealth the ruling class were chieftains known as gošar. The country was split into four regions and each regions had about 9 gošar and each goši had his "gošorš" which is a bit like a fiefdom except not quite. The title of goši was usually inherited but it could also be sold or given. Some gošar maintained temples and holy sites and held blóts. Each goši had his žingmenn, men who followed him to assemblies, supported him in conflicts in exchange for his protection and mediation in feuds. Since any free land owning man could choose which goši to follow the gošorš of each goši wasn't really based on geography. It's however likely that people usually choose the goši that lived closest to them out of convenience since medieval Iceland was very rural without any villages and with long distances between most farms following a goši that lived several weeks travel away might be a hassle and not sit well with the goši that lived closer. Every goši was a member of the alžing, a yearly national assembly that was both a parliament and a supreme court. The descendants of Ingólfur Arnarsson, the first permanent settler, held the title of Allsherjargoši (Roughly Goši of it all)which despite the fancier title didn't have any more power than anyone else but would sanctify the alžing each year. The highest title that anyone could hold was that of lögsögumašur (lawspeaker). Every three years the alžing would appoint a lawspeaker who would recite one third of the law each year and act as the chairman of the court.
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May 12, 2017 02:00
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Deceitful Penguin posted:We've certainly killed people for lesser reasons and done more stupid things on the promise of money. I heard somewhere you had a law on the books saying it was legal to kill a Turkish person until the seventies or something, is that right? Allegedly because of the many Ottoman slave raids on Iceland, and it was just kind of forgotten about.
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Tias posted:I heard somewhere you had a law on the books saying it was legal to kill a Turkish person until the seventies or something, is that right? It woulda made an interesting hypothetical, to see what woulda happened had someone murdered a Turkish person before the law was abolished
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FreudianSlippers posted:Anarchy in that they they didn't have any form of police or centralized state. There were plenty of laws and the althing, the parliament, even had a official called the Lawspeaker whose job it was to be chairman and remember all the laws and recite them to the assembly because there wasn't any writing beyond basic runic inscriptions so all oft the law was passed down orally. The lawspeaker obviously had to be an expert and a lawyer of sorts which could be consulted if there were any doubts or complications. This doesn't sound like anarchy to me. Libertarians lied to me!
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I'm looking for a small apartment in the Keflavik area but everything is so drat expensive. 160k for anything remotely decent it seems.
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punk rebel ecks posted:This doesn't sound like anarchy to me. Libertarians lied to me! Libertarians aren't anarchists. Also, too dumb to understand the meaning of words, so you know, ask anarchists instead.
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Demiurge4 posted:I'm looking for a small apartment in the Keflavik area but everything is so drat expensive. 160k for anything remotely decent it seems. A lot of people are actually moving to Keflsvik because it's cheaper than the city.
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Demiurge4 posted:I'm looking for a small apartment in the Keflavik area but everything is so drat expensive. 160k for anything remotely decent it seems. Rent everywhere seems to be insane. Our mortgage for a fairly nice sized duplex in 101 was only 135ž about 5 years ago, that's how much real estate has gone up.
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airbnbs an hotels y'all, gotta grab that delicious tourist ISK also Reykjavķk being the only municipality to actually be building poo poo and that's not really the social housing we need (tho better than nothing)
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Deceitful Penguin posted:airbnbs an hotels y'all, gotta grab that delicious tourist ISK Oh I know. We are landlords, have a guesthouse we rent out, as well as a 2nd apartment. The amount of money we made using AirBnB was almost double what we get from longer term renters. It's only because we want to fight the gentrification of AirBnB that we've voluntarily switched to long term renters. The financial incentives are absolutely there to encourage anyone with a space that could go to short term tourist rentals, to do so.
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Yeah I get why people are switching. My current landlord is extraordinarily generous (110k for a 2 bedroom apartment) but I'm just staying in a room and my workmate who actually has the rental is moving by the end of the year and I'm not sure if I can convince my landlord to let me keep it. As I'm an exchange student apprentice I'll probably end up asking my boss to sort some kind of living arrangement in Grindavik.
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Bourgeois landowning class here too and I gotta say that sometimes it's been real tempting to pay up the loan on this place by turning it into a hotel-lite but all our tenants are good people (except one but he's being kicked out) so I'd just feel awful throwing them out to the wolves like that Though arguing with Icelanders about it can be awful "oh but its just the way the market is! the market can't be immoral!"
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Bourgeois landowning class here too and I gotta say that sometimes it's been real tempting to pay up the loan on this place by turning it into a hotel-lite but all our tenants are good people (except one but he's being kicked out) so I'd just feel awful throwing them out to the wolves like that Nothing has been more frustrating for me as an American transplant to Iceland to see how much hypocrisy or dueling ideas Icelanders can hold. Super moral society overall, one of the main reasons I moved here, but then you can find yourself arguing with an Icelander about basic human dignity and wonder how they got so hosed up.
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poopinmymouth posted:Nothing has been more frustrating for me as an American transplant to Iceland to see how much hypocrisy or dueling ideas Icelanders can hold. Super moral society overall, one of the main reasons I moved here, but then you can find yourself arguing with an Icelander about basic human dignity and wonder how they got so hosed up. So basically like any European( or American) country ever, except they're better at pretending they're not shitheads :iamafag:
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poopinmymouth posted:Nothing has been more frustrating for me as an American transplant to Iceland to see how much hypocrisy or dueling ideas Icelanders can hold. Super moral society overall, one of the main reasons I moved here, but then you can find yourself arguing with an Icelander about basic human dignity and wonder how they got so hosed up. That may gently caress up our lives in other, different ways but means that unlike a huge swathe of the mainland we seem to have intuited that racism, y'all, is bad, and ya shouldn't do it. This means that the overt and really hosed up stuff regarding muslims, rroma and others isn't as prominent here. (though there's still a shitload of it around, just not as open. we still haven't had any successful societal talks like in the US on this stuff. Maybe the new orgs might...)
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Deceitful Penguin posted:really hosed up stuff regarding muslims, rroma and others isn't as prominent here. (though there's still a shitload of it around, just not as open. we still haven't had any successful societal talks like in the US on this stuff. Maybe the new orgs might...) Are there actually enough of them around to prompt people to be racist out loud about them?
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Osama Dozen-Dongs posted:Are there actually enough of them around to prompt people to be racist out loud about them? We did have some Irish travellers but we unlawfully kicked them out if I remember right. Though I'm happy to report that a lot of Icelanders that move abroad are very quick to integrate into the most racist crowds they can and unironically talk about "those drat immigrants/foreigners". (Like some of may family! Yay!)
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Muslims; yeah, Rroma, no. It's really weird witnessing Icelandic racism coming from America. The best way to describe it (and I'd apply this to Germany too) is that Icelandic society is less racist, but Icelanders themselves, when racist, are way more vocal about it. Think your super right wing grandpa that forwards crazy emails. My FiL had a book on his table about the "muslim invasion" IN ICELANDIC on his coffee table. And people won't hesitate to say something super racist in polite company, because as you said, there has never really been a societal talk about it, so people don't really know what they're "supposed" to keep to themselves and only pull out when you're sure everyone present is a KKK member. I've also found most Icelanders are under the mistaken impression they have no racism in their history, when a professor at the university of Iceland (forget his name) has well documented the governments refusal to take jewish asylum seekers in ww2 (complete with ultra racist newspaper clippings making rat comparisons) and the wink wink agreement with the USA not to station any troops of color in Keflavik. Plus let's not forget the much more modern instance of complaining of Iceland sending an "ape" to give our Euro-vision song contest votes. (a mixed race icelandic native musician was chosen to call in)
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Well I got my own place now (roommate moving out, I convinced the landlord to let me keep it). Now I just gotta fit 120k into my budget somehow.
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poopinmymouth posted:It's really weird witnessing Icelandic racism coming from America. The best way to describe it (and I'd apply this to Germany too) is that Icelandic society is less racist, but Icelanders themselves, when racist, are way more vocal about it. Think your super right wing grandpa that forwards crazy emails. My FiL had a book on his table about the "muslim invasion" IN ICELANDIC on his coffee table. And people won't hesitate to say something super racist in polite company, because as you said, there has never really been a societal talk about it, so people don't really know what they're "supposed" to keep to themselves and only pull out when you're sure everyone present is a KKK member. Also yea, lol, the Jew boat is something everyone finds out about after school and is like "drat" because gently caress knows the Independence party, which absorbed the Icelandic Nazi party doesn't want people talking about it Demiurge4 posted:Well I got my own place now (roommate moving out, I convinced the landlord to let me keep it). Now I just gotta fit 120k into my budget somehow.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Yeah, I've had that too. Like, Śtvarp Saga level poo poo where the person is talking poo poo about foreign people next to my now ex and not seeing anything wrong with it. I despise when Icelanders are xenophobic around me. People who know I'm not native will do it right to my face. It's what makes the entire thing ultra clear it's really just racism and not concern for their culture or nation or whatever other reasons racists tell themselves. Their targets are always darker than swarthy, and the Icelander's acceptance of me as "one of the good ones" I'm convinced is about me being tall and white. poopinmymouth fucked around with this message at 21:50 on May 23, 2017 |
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I'm Danish. I clap back about me just visiting the colonies.
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I had a co-worker at a hospital unironically share this awful meme* with me during a quiet hour, before going back to browsing gore sites. That was a pretty big eye-opener for me how alive and well racism is outside my carefully cultivated SJW bubble. Until then I thought it was something only confined to the older generation, like my "not racist but" grandmothers. *It's pretty telling that when I googled for this picture, the top hit was from /r/forwardsfromhitler Werewhale fucked around with this message at 20:27 on May 23, 2017 |
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Lol hanging around with a buncha working class and right wing folk mosta my life means I never had the benefit of living in the bubble some folks do. Most, of course, aren't raging racists, but those that are are almost never really challenged. And I would say it's more of a class thing, because the educated and better off folks were less bigoted in general; they didn't care if you were black or gay so long as you weren't poor. Racism is more of an old time-y XD thing, or just plain ole XB
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May 24, 2017 12:08
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Hey Penguin, do you have an email or something you'd be willing to part with? I mentioned this thread to my wife and she suggested we pick your brain about spending a few years on Iceland culture and such wise?
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May 29, 2017 13:08
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My friend and I are travelling to Reykjavik for a weekend at the end of June. Any recommendations for live music venues or sources to watch? other recommendations also welcome!
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https://grapevine.is/bestof/2017/guides/2017/04/18/best-of-reykjavik-concert-venues/
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