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Scikar posted:"Large scale" in this case meaning "across Australia", which gives you just a bit more room to play with than the UK. And I never suggested that nuclear can be used a peak supply. Don't you guys have a grid connection to the Netherlands and France? Still take your point, but it does give you a bit more room. Scikar posted:To be honest I really don't see why this argument always comes up, it seems pretty obvious that we should maximise our usage of renewables to cut down on the amount of horrible poo poo we need to deal with, whether that's fossil fuels or radioactive waste. And then when you do look at what's left, you realise you still need something that is always on, and nuclear is a much better option than coal. Nuclear and renewables go hand in hand if you care about the environment and energy security. It probably comes up more with Australians because we don't have any nuclear power reactors and building one is an extremely poor deal. I don't think you should shut off your nuclear plants immediately or anything, but I don't see they're necessary in the long term and by the time they come up for decommissioning a different technology should be ready to replace it.
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Julio Cruz posted:What policy to reduce the usage of plastic bags would you prefer? And what's the punishment aspect of LED lighting? Early CFLs were a bit rubbish but modern LED lighbulbs are cheap, plentiful, have the familiar warm colour temps and acceptable CRI for normal use (i.e. normal people can't tell the difference), and they even look the same. I really like the filament bulbs. But now my entire living/kitchen area consumes under 40W with all lights and table lamps at full. The ban does make it harder to find the old ones for period theatre though 
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Don't you guys have a grid connection to the Netherlands and France? Still take your point, but it does give you a bit more room. Our nuclear plants are up for decommissioning already. Most of them are already running well past their planned service life. And we're currently in the middle of a nasty financial breakup with the Netherlands and France, probably not a good idea to rely on them for power. Scikar fucked around with this message at 13:59 on May 29, 2017 |
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Hoops posted:Every now and again the UKMT happens upon some specialist topic and there are like a dozen posters who seem to know everything about it, it's a weird thing to see. I get it when it's like WW2 or something, god knows I get it when it's about anime, but how do you all know this stuff about power generation? Submarine design was another one, so was different fonts. Im legally restricted from discussing my specialist subject on the internet, can someone message me when the conversation turns to snooker or early-mid period Simpsons? People in work are constantly telling me I know about a lot of different subjects. Truth be told, this forum is partly why, thanks to exactly what you said. In snooker chat, did you see the guy who had to get a testicle out, and asked the doctor if he could replace it with a small snooker ball? I already made a "pocket" joke that made a colleague wince.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Don't you guys have a grid connection to the Netherlands and France? Yes but they aren't that big compared to overall demand (2GW and 1GW compared to 30-40GW in winter): http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk
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Hoops posted:Every now and again the UKMT happens upon some specialist topic and there are like a dozen posters who seem to know everything about it, it's a weird thing to see. I get it when it's like WW2 or something, god knows I get it when it's about anime, but how do you all know this stuff about power generation? Submarine design was another one, so was different fonts. Im legally restricted from discussing my specialist subject on the internet, can someone message me when the conversation turns to snooker or early-mid period Simpsons? There are a surprisingly large number of experts here. Like Jakiri is a physicist who iirc has done work on nuclear power in the past (A post-grad thing? Can't remember)
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mehall posted:People in work are constantly telling me I know about a lot of different subjects. My mum works in a hospital and had someone come in showing them prosthetic testicles, and asking her office which one they thought was the best.
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"it's not that people are poor, it's just that they can't afford to eat"
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Gum posted:There are a surprisingly large number of experts here. Like Jakiri is a physicist who iirc has done work on nuclear power in the past (A post-grad thing? Can't remember) That will make him one of the most qualified young(ish-think he said early 30s before) people in the country. Edit: Not offence Jakiri I also consider myself youngish. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 14:07 on May 29, 2017 |
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marktheando posted:My boss goes out of her way to buy the old style light bulbs from some shady shop lol. They're useful for dummy loads, incubators, and keeping sheds from freezing during winter. Not much else though. Those decorative 'vintage style' bulbs where the filament never gets above yellow-orange seem to be in style now too.
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LED lighting is more expensive to buy. This may not seem like a lot to the posters in this thread but if you are on the dole then £3 for one bulb is a hell of a lot of money compared to £1 for 5 normal bulbs from the pound shop. If you are living hand to mouth then the long term costs being cheaper don't mean diddly poo poo. The other issue is that if you are renting a house then in a lot of cases the kind of landlord who will accept DSS won't do much maintenance, and a LED bulb is just as likely to blow if you have dodgy electrics as a normal bulb does. It's a law that hurts the poor and has no effect on the middle classes. The lack of weekly black bin collections is another thing. You hear all the time "well I can go two weeks and be fine" . Well that's lovely for you dear but you have a car and are able to take stuff to the tip. Poor people who can't afford a car are hosed if they want to throw away anything old and broken, toys for example, so no poo poo you get fly tipping.
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Zalakwe posted:That will make him one of the most qualified young(ish-think he said early 30s before) people in the country. Honestly it may have just been something as simple as a lit review, I don't really know
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Guavanaut posted:Those decorative 'vintage style' bulbs where the filament never gets above yellow-orange seem to be in style now too. I was chatting to a guy who was installing them as part of refitting the offices of my pretentious old job and he told me you used to be able to get 1000 of those for a tenner and now they are fifteen quid each.
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This to a tee sums up how the tories think. Saying 'cashflow problem' is pure business speak, and what they mean by that is 'sure we've got no money now, but we will have in the future'. Except personal finances are not a business. You do not have a large amount of inventory that you're selling through sat in a warehouse to solve the 'cashflow' problem. You do not have staff you can make redundant to solve a 'cashflow' problem. All you can do as a person in this situation is borrow money. Which is why we have soaring levels of personal debt, why we're about 2 years away from a gigantic economic crash and why the country is about to go into a death spiral for anyone earning under 30k a year.
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learnincurve posted:LED lighting is more expensive to buy. This may not seem like a lot to the posters in this thread but if you are on the dole then £3 for one bulb is a hell of a lot of money compared to £1 for 5 normal bulbs from the pound shop. If you are living hand to mouth then the long term costs being cheaper don't mean diddly poo poo. The other issue is that if you are renting a house then in a lot of cases the kind of landlord who will accept DSS won't do much maintenance, and a LED bulb is just as likely to blow if you have dodgy electrics as a normal bulb does. There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to start.
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Raab got a bit of a mauling on Victoria Derbyshire this morning. Thornberry was good, I wouldn't be disappointed to see her at the seven-way debate on Wednesday.
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Scikar posted:Is it really that weird? Climate change is going to absolutely gently caress the UK, and we're not even doing anything now to prevent it, when the time for action was decades ago. And if you want to make an informed decision on policy to deal with it, you have to understand power generation.
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jabby posted:Raab got a bit of a mauling on Victoria Derbyshire this morning. She'll destroy Rudd and make her look like an amateur.
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Hoops posted:Sorry it wasn't a criticism, I quite like reading that stuff. It's just it comes along for some oddly specific stuff and not for others. what you consider early/middle simpsons is just early simpsons these days its been poo poo for nearly 20 years now
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serious gaylord posted:There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to start. I do. https://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/browse/default.aspx?N=4294792090&Ne=4294793660 Cheapest lightbulb £3.75. Tell me exactly how somone on the dole can afford to buy light bulbs at £3.75 a pop? If you live in a house with two bedrooms then that's 5 bulbs at £18.75 vs £1. That's a hell of a difference if you are paying with dole money especially if your electrics are poo poo and you have to keep buying new ones.
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learnincurve posted:I do. https://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/browse/default.aspx?N=4294792090&Ne=4294793660 Still waiting on your preferred plastic bag reduction policy.
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LED bulbs are 80% cheaper, even for a couple of hours a day you break even over a year and heavy users such as families make massive savings.
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Entropy238 posted:Have the PLP called off the attack dogs for the time being? Funny you should say, because Harriet Harman thinks today is the right time to attack Jeremy Corbyn for not being tough enough on abuse of female MPs. The PLP have, by and large, kept quiet during this campaign. However a couple of them have broken ranks to attack Corbyn, presumably because their seats are safe and it helps them more personally to have Labour lose badly.
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learnincurve posted:I do. https://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/browse/default.aspx?N=4294792090&Ne=4294793660 In Australia we were all given free led lights. For months you'd have companies coming to your door to give you free led lights and timers for our tvs. You should probably do that, I guess.
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It helped that when they brought in the 5p plastic bags most supermarkets made those 5p bags much thicker so you genuinely could reuse them. Never nice to be walking home with your shopping and feel the handles of your carrier bag suddenly lengthen.
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I'll accept the point on low-energy bulbs, but no way on the plastic bag charge. 5p if you don't want to bring your own, there's no argument there. It's like the smoking ban, it's just good and should have been in place decades ago. I say that as someone currently having a fag outside in the drizzle as well.
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The fact that they are cheaper long term makes no difference if you have to make the choice between buying food for a day and buying a lightbulb. Giving people the option of a free paper bag or charging 5p for a plastic bag is more carrot less stick.
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What's that expression about upfront cost being a limiting factor that stops poor people being able to make savings in the long run?
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:It probably comes up more with Australians because we don't have any nuclear power reactors and building one is an extremely poor deal. I don't think you should shut off your nuclear plants immediately or anything, but I don't see they're necessary in the long term and by the time they come up for decommissioning a different technology should be ready to replace it. Not to mention, just waving our hands and saying 'a different technology should be ready to replace it' is uhhh Maybe make sure that technology exists and is practicable first. Look how nuclear fusion has been 'real soon now, in the next decade or two' for. uh. decades.
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tbf, how often do all your globes bust at once? You can get by for a while not fixing one of them.feedmegin posted:Not to mention, just waving our hands and saying 'a different technology should be ready to replace it' is uhhh I didn't mean a new technology will exist, just that the preparations should be made now (including seeing which one is most practical, and leaving nuclear as an option if it is) for a different technology to be ready to replace it. WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 14:44 on May 29, 2017 |
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learnincurve posted:The fact that they are cheaper long term makes no difference if you have to make the choice between buying food for a day and buying a lightbulb. Paper bags: well known for coping well when you're carrying your shopping home in the rain.
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Hoops posted:What's that expression about upfront cost being a limiting factor that stops poor people being able to make savings in the long run? The Sam Vimes boots theory of economic injustice? I'm sure I remember being able to buy 5 or even 10 CFLs for £1 in Argos years ago. Energy company subsidised maybe? Do they still do that?
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It's giving people a choice. It's also the method people used before plastic bags came in and is still used in America. What you do is put the bag under your coat and remember to bring a plastic bag with you next time.
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Party Boat posted:It helped that when they brought in the 5p plastic bags most supermarkets made those 5p bags much thicker so you genuinely could reuse them. Never nice to be walking home with your shopping and feel the handles of your carrier bag suddenly lengthen. I remember this existential dread from many a time at Uni. Thank gently caress for reusable bags having some proper handle reinforcement.
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Pfft, imagine poors being able to afford a coat? Instead shops should hand out free plastic ponchos for your paper bags so they don't get wet in the rain.
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learnincurve posted:It's giving people a choice. It's also the method people used before plastic bags came in and is still used in America. What you do is put the bag under your coat and remember to bring a plastic bag with you next time. Which is exactly the same goal as the current policy, except without the risk of dropping your week's shopping all over the road cause you got caught in a sudden downpour.
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learnincurve posted:I do. https://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/browse/default.aspx?N=4294792090&Ne=4294793660 This is a problem of benefits being too stingy and landlords being bastards though, it's not a question of the price of lightbulbs themselves. I don't have to decide between light and food thankfully but I am living in a rented house with dodgy wiring where the bulbs would blow every month (and there are chandelier things everywhere so I have 36 loving bulbs to deal with), but I switched to LED ones and they seem a lot tougher since all of them are still working a year later. If there was a way to get landlords to eat the cost of replacing all the bulbs with LED ones that would go a long way.
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