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Truga posted:That's why Germany won the war against the Soviet Union 75 years ago. Germany was broke as hell after a few years of the Nazis in power, and just barely getting by with the money they'd loot out of other countries they annexed/invaded. The Soviets had more coin than Nazi Germany, and the Americans really had a lot more coin. Even the British did by a decent amount.
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Kopijeger posted:It already seems like this is the case for most hardware other than aircraft, seems like the militaries of the larger countries at least all use mostly European-made ground vehicles and ships. I believe there is also a Franco-German agreement in place to jointly develop a tank to replace both the Leclerc and Leopard 2. Assuming this goes through it should simplify logistics compared to having two or more different types around. I've heard the following sentiment regarding military procurement in The Netherlands: If it flies, buy American; if it drives; buy European, if it sails, buy domestic. Its a pretty good policy tbh.
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May 29, 2017 03:42
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AlexanderCA posted:I've heard the following sentiment regarding military procurement in The Netherlands: If it flies, buy American; if it drives; buy European, if it sails, buy domestic. Its a pretty good policy tbh. Yeah but recently the Americans have started doing an even sillier design-by-committee process than we did for the Eurofighter, a plane spread out into three tranches (one of which got obsoleted even before leaving the production line) and half a dozen countries. Also what if you buy a floatplane? 
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blowfish posted:Also what if you buy a floatplane?
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Floatplanes can still be relevant for search-and-rescue at sea, but that's about all. Japan made one recently, the US-2. There's also aerial firefighting, of course, but that's typically not a mission of the armed forces.
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There's also not been a large-scale naval conflict since WW2. It's dumb to write them off as a kind of vehicle just because there hasn't been a situation that's called for them.
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YF-23 posted:There's also not been a large-scale naval conflict since WW2. It's dumb to write them off as a kind of vehicle just because there hasn't been a situation that's called for them. I struggle to imagine what a modern naval fight would even look like.
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YF-23 posted:There's also not been a large-scale naval conflict since WW2. It's dumb to write them off as a kind of vehicle just because there hasn't been a situation that's called for them. What benefit would a seaplane have in a naval conflict? The only reason they were used was that they could land in areas without a runway but with a body of water large enough. Today helicopters and VTOL aircrafts like the V-22 Osprey offer much better capabilities in this respect, which is why seaplanes have all but vanished from military duty. MiddleOne posted:I struggle to imagine what a modern naval fight would even look like. Lot's of missiles flying around with a dashing of torpedos.
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Being able to land pretty much anywhere at sea is a pretty big advantage. I'm not convinced VTOLs and the like completely negate that.
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YF-23 posted:Being able to land pretty much anywhere at sea is a pretty big advantage. I'm not convinced VTOLs and the like completely negate that. Land to do what? You can't refuel, you can't rearm, you can't do much of anything, not to mention that "landing anywhere" assumes pretty favorable sea conditions.
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May 29, 2017 09:40
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GaussianCopula posted:Land to do what? You can't refuel, you can't rearm, you can't do much of anything, not to mention that "landing anywhere" assumes pretty favorable sea conditions. Search and rescue and thats about it
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May 29, 2017 10:05
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AlexanderCA posted:I've heard the following sentiment regarding military procurement in The Netherlands: If it flies, buy American; if it drives; buy European, if it sails, buy domestic. Its a pretty good policy tbh. It's a pretty good policy for the people selling us arms, since we can't, and won't, go elsewhere even if they screw us over. And the costs for the F35/JSF have already doubled, if not tripled.
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:If you want to shoot as many civilians as possible you probably gonna avoid hard targets like the army because they shoot back at you. It's not exactly rocket science. Not all attacks are suicide bombings so it doesn't do anything, it just causes civilian bloodbath elsewhere while some grunt gets paid to be bored all day in a train station while right wingers masturbate to seeing a G3 in a public area?
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YF-23 posted:Being able to land pretty much anywhere at sea is a pretty big advantage. I'm not convinced VTOLs and the like completely negate that. Pluskut Tukker posted:It's a pretty good policy for the people selling us arms, since we can't, and won't, go elsewhere even if they screw us over. And the costs for the F35/JSF have already doubled, if not tripled.
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May 29, 2017 12:00
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The Belgian posted:Very nice. Now that perfidious Albion and its colonies are out, the Continent can rise to its former greatness again. you know who else believed in a strong continental Europe that could stand up to the Anglos? besides napoleon
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icantfindaname posted:you know who else believed in a strong continental Europe that could stand up to the Anglos? eurodictators did nothing wrong   
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I don't understand why the Europeans aren't buying more Gripens. Just the Swedes, Hungarians and Czechs. Bitterness about us staying outside of the Euro? 
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Mans posted:so it doesn't do anything, it just causes civilian bloodbath elsewhere while some grunt gets paid to be bored all day in a train station while right wingers masturbate to seeing a G3 in a public area? Well it did something in that one case that was brought up here
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khwarezm posted:Haha, I just noticed America hiding in the corner ruining our perfectly balanced map. America is just the Scandinavia of Africa when you really think about it.
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May 29, 2017 12:59
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:Well it did something in that one case that was brought up here the case that was brought up was of someone attacking a soldier specifically for the soldier's gun. it literally attracted an attack
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icantfindaname posted:you know who else believed in a strong continental Europe that could stand up to the Anglos? Philip II?
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https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/869136084390866946 the train has no brakes.... and is speeding on a collision course towards mar a lago!!!!!
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May 29, 2017 13:33
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Mans posted:the case that was brought up was of someone attacking a soldier specifically for the soldier's gun. Nah, you gotta read.the wikipedia article that was linked here. That dude was stopped by traffic police, shot at them with a BB gun and ran. That Jack Bauer poo poo of trying to grab an assault rifle from a soldier was a spontaneous/incidental idea he got. He was also carrying gasoline and a lighter, so it's pretty lucky that he went for the ninja stuff with the soldiers, instead of actually using the gasoline. Thanks television and Hollywood, I guess?
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I don't understand why the Europeans aren't buying more Gripens. Just the Swedes, Hungarians and Czechs. Same reason they haven't bought more Mirages. France, Greece, Spain, Belgium, of which only France and Greece still operate some Mirage 2000. (Mirage III, 5, and F1 are all retired from European service.) And that reason was the existence of the F-16. As far as cheap single-engine fighters go, it was really hard to compete with the General Dynamic bird. In Europe it sold to Belgium, Denmark, Greece, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, and Romania. And part of the appeal of the F-35 is the idea that it'd be a new F-16. In fact there even was an "F-16 club" within Europe, the European Participating Group made of Belgium, Denmark, Netherlands and Norway. Out of these four, three have already chosen the F-35 and are applying a lot of pressure to get Belgium to join them. Even today the F-16 still competes with the Gripen. In a perfect world, European air forces would consist mostly of Gripen and Rafale, depending on each country's budget and requirements. (To simplify a bit: buy Rafale if you want to be able to intervene abroad; buy Gripen if you are only concerned with defense on a tight budget.)
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/869136084390866946 It's more like no one cares what Schulz says because Merkel stole his thunder with yesterdays Bierzelt speech - people might not notice but her campaign is always two steps ahead of Schulz, without being an open campaign.
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https://twitter.com/AFP/status/869212255006621697 disregard orange sky fucked around with this message at 17:05 on May 29, 2017 |
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Kurtofan posted:that doesn't mean poo poo in itself horrible timing though, isn't it?
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orange sky posted:horrible timing though, isn't it? In Scandinavian political liturgy, this phrase is often used as a codeword for "well our relations are poo poo for now but we're exploring diplomatic options to make them better because we cannot just wish Russia into nonexistence". Of course, it's sometimes used completely literally sooooo
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orange sky posted:https://twitter.com/AFP/status/869212255006621697 Chirac Sarkozy Hollande Macron People who tried to strengthen the relationship with Russia Chirac Sarkozy Hollande Macron People who ended not strengthening the relationship with Russia because putin was putin: Chirac Sarkozy Hollande ??????
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Mans posted:so it doesn't do anything, Actually it's quite different than your brain. Mans posted:the case that was brought up was of someone attacking a soldier specifically for the soldier's gun. What the hell are you even trying to argue here - the Aristotelian abiogenesis theory of terrorism?
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Macron's basically spent most of the press conference telling Putin to eat poo poo, calling RT and Sputnik propaganda organizations, and raising the treatment of LGBT people in Chechnya: https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/869234789806739458 "We discussed the treatment of LGBT people in Chechnya, and I very clearly explained France's position to president Putin" https://twitter.com/PedderSophie/status/869223121676640257 https://twitter.com/dmitryzaksAFP/status/869218393001512960 Between this and his power plays with Trump, he's clearly got a pair on him if nothing else.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Between this and his power plays with Trump, he's clearly got a pair on him if nothing else. Flailing impotently is like 90% of international politics so I'd say he's doing pretty good so far.
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CottonWolf posted:Australia will definitely get in before those two. My money is on Morocco! icantfindaname posted:you know who else believed in a strong continental Europe that could stand up to the Anglos? That one Austrian guy...by which I mean Otto von Habsburg of course.
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i can't believe macron said this next to Putin https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/869222821746102272
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Saying the truth next to Putin is now the litmus test of "having balls". Duly noted.
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:Saying the truth next to Putin is now the litmus test of "having balls". Duly noted. has it been tried before
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