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Words are good, they just reinforce the eventual need to break out the guillotines.
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Crazycryodude posted:Words are good, they just reinforce the eventual need to break out the guillotines. Every time someone breaks out the guillotines, they're inevitably used against people whose only crime is ethnic and social non-conformity, including myself. So let's not, yeah?
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May 29, 2017 05:25
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No but this time they're just for the rich, I promise* *Terms and conditions may apply.
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May 29, 2017 05:28
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Crazycryodude posted:No but this time they're just for those with a rich love of anime, I promise* ftfy
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Crazycryodude posted:No but this time they're just for the rich, I promise* Pinky swear?
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Davin Valkri posted:Every time someone breaks out the guillotines, they're inevitably used against people whose only crime is ethnic and social non-conformity, including myself. So let's not, yeah? You're pretty good at posting for a decapitated person.
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May 29, 2017 05:59
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omegasgundam posted:Where was it stated that the Dutch are bote based? Yooper posted:
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ManifunkDestiny posted:Heck yes, also some F-15s to go with them Isn't that the Thrust Vector F-15 testbed? I loved that thing when I was a kid. edit: I think we can appease some of the people who wanted to go with BNSC as long as we blare this loudly over Iceberg ships when we blow them up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th4Czv1j3F8 Groggy nard fucked around with this message at 06:23 on May 29, 2017 |
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May 29, 2017 06:16
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Quite sure at this point we are privately owned. We could generate substantial capital were we to have an IPO after a particularly visible mission. Probably enough for a good bote. sparkmaster fucked around with this message at 06:41 on May 29, 2017 |
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May 29, 2017 06:25
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SlightlyMad posted:
Noice.
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May 29, 2017 06:53
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As a member of both the Norwegian and Bote lobbies I insist we
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May 29, 2017 07:02
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Plan full Viking now 
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omegasgundam posted:Ok, here's a bit of unit analysis. Dance Officer posted:The Mamba SAMs also have a 90 nmi radar, and considering their position, they will know when we launch and what we launch. That thing really needs to go. Yooper posted:This time, so the dogmocracy method doesn't get old, I'm going to hire both Cobbie and Zack. So we just spent $400,000,000 on planes and $8,000,000 on operative, so we have about $52 million to spend on Willie's planes. So this begs the question: what do we want from Willy? Given the huge number of dangerous surface vessels in the area, we need to beef up our maritime patrol and search capability. Right now, we only have three platforms that can do surface search: the Atlantique 2, the Reaper with Gorgon Stare pods, and the Argus. Our recon planes like the F.1ER aren't for search work, they're for taking photos of bridges, etc. Here are some options to consider. 1. ex-Argentinian S-2T Turbo Tracker or ex-Brazilian S-2E Tracker or ex-Taiwanese S-2T Turbo Tracker: they're old and slow. But they have surpisingly good sensors. The Taiwanese ones, for example, have a 200nm radar and a 30nm FLIR. Plus, they can carry various mixes of dumb bombs,ASW torpedoes, rockets, and depth charges over a 500nm radius. Or they can leave the weapons at home and get a 720nm search radius 2. ex-JMSDF P-2J Neptune: Another Japan connection they've been out of service for decades and their radar only has an 80 range. But they can cruise for 2000nm doing surface search. Quinntan posted:Is that a turbo tracker? It is indeed! Taiwan, Brazil, and Argentina all have some they might sell us. Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 09:36 on May 29, 2017 |
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May 29, 2017 08:12
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Is the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shin_Meiwa_US-1A#/
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Bacarruda posted:So this begs the question: what do we want from Willy? I want a PBY Catalina. 
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May 29, 2017 09:52
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Yooper posted:
What are they using exactly? I imagine that we're in close enough proximity to figure that out by now.
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May 29, 2017 09:56
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Are commerce raiders a thing again?
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RandomPauI posted:Are commerce raiders a thing again? Time to build some auxiliary cruisers, I think.
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May 29, 2017 10:12
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Maritime Search? Check. Harpoons and/or torpedos? Check. Last Ditch air to air combat capability? Check. Flawed aircraft built by a terrible European defence conglomerate? CHECK CHECK AND CHECK AGAIN! (You could even get one thats a really bad AEW&C platform, if you hated yourself!) The One, The Only: NIMROD MR2!  https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=1976 Wait, whats that fitting in Baloogans DB? StormShadow and ASRAAM?  https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=4426 Are you sure about that, chap?
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We are privately held with a voting majority of stock. GS and the Union hold a minority stake and no voting shares. They want the money and none of the responsibility. So yes, buying out the shareholders is possible. As far as the Dutch go, we've heard rumors from the supply airplane crews that they are a trio of Karel Doorman missile frigates. Near as we can gather they're holding near the strait to prevent any breakout of Iceberg ships into the Arctic Sea. More details on Wild Willie to come, but it's totally different than before...
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May 29, 2017 13:07
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Anghammarad posted:Wait, whats that fitting in Baloogans DB? StormShadow and ASRAAM? That's the MRA.4, which got canned because it turns out basically gutting and rebuilding a 1950s aircraft design to have new everything is expensive and I kinda like the look of these things. It's a plane, it's a bote, it's got decent search range and a pretty good search arc. https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=3317
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May 29, 2017 13:34
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Yooper posted:We are privately held with a voting majority of stock. GS and the Union hold a minority stake and no voting shares. They want the money and none of the responsibility. So yes, buying out the shareholders is possible. . How much do we need?
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May 29, 2017 14:23
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Yooper posted:As far as the Dutch go, we've heard rumors from the supply airplane crews that they are a trio of Karel Doorman missile frigates. Near as we can gather they're holding near the strait to prevent any breakout of Iceberg ships into the Arctic Sea. Well, that's enough to stone wall any casual pushes from the Alaskan rednecks. The would probably appreciate if we gave them some cap though. Sea Sparrows will discourage opportunistic smart bombing, but if Ted decides to go all in they will be in serious trouble. They'd love us forever if we manage to take out all of the Skholds. I bet they really wish they have a De Zeven. omegasgundam fucked around with this message at 15:01 on May 29, 2017 |
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quote:Once they'd "secured" the airfields they flew in a few plane loads of people to take over the boats. Yah. Boats. Not only did they capture the Sea Shepherd but also a group of surplus French missile boats. The Flagship, F 792 Premier Maitre L'Her is somewhere near Savoonga. We're not sure how operational those ships are just yet. On land they've got other French ground units including some Roland AA. And, unfortunately, some Mamba's. Emphasis mine. We may want to consider having our aircraft bank sharply to orbit Provd as they climb to altitude so that none of them end up getting nailed by a Mamba because we happened to plow merrily straight into them whilst still low and slow.
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Depending on the location they can almost reach our birds the moment they take off from Provd.
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Loel posted:How much do we need? Depends on how much we are worth and how much stock they actually hold. Good news with this setup is that they don't have many options to (legally) gently caress with us so long as they get their cut. A buyout is totally doable but I'd guess is going to take hundreds of millions. We might have to skip a between theaters procurement or two to make it happen.
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What is it, exactly, that our shareholders are holding us back from? If the plan is to become outlaws then what's the point of resolving our fiduciary duty?
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yurtcradled posted:What is it, exactly, that our shareholders are holding us back from? 10% of our money.
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May 29, 2017 17:14
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Looking at how quickly our little enterprise has more than doubled its assets and revenue, raising funds by sale of stock should be pretty easy. Not sure how deep Yooper will want to go with the market capitalism simulation, but there seem to be more possibilities here than "maintain status quo" and "buy out shareholders, go fully private".
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Even if the shareholders don't stop us from doing shady poo poo if we ever want to, they're taking 10% of our money. Buying them out is a good long-term investment both in terms of finances and freedom.
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May 29, 2017 17:59
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Also just gently caress shareholders and/or death to capitalism in general.
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May 29, 2017 18:05
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Id also argue that we could do installments. Pay half, only owe 5% after missions, etc.
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Just buying out Goldman and letting the Teacher's Union keep taking their share would be pretty OK. In fact, having some ins with one of the largest labor unions in the US would probably be helpful for organizing and kicking off the Revolution whenever we get around to it.
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Crazycryodude posted:Just buying out Goldman and letting the Teacher's Union keep taking their share would be pretty OK. In fact, having some ins with one of the largest labor unions in the US would probably be helpful for organizing and kicking off the Revolution whenever we get around to it. Yeah, thats a good call.
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Instead of buying a couple expensive maritime patrol craft, maybe it would be a good idea to buy a bunch of cheaper helicopters like this instead: https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=389 260nm range for search activities, check! Carries Exocets for killing botes, check! Carries depth charges/torps for killing subs, check! And, if you don't like this version, there are tons in the database with other options: Want AEW on a helicopter? We can do that! https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=37 Nuclear depth charges? You bet: https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=1001614 Something to drop our Bulgarian friends with? Got that covered too: https://wiki.baloogancampaign.com/index.php/DataAircraft?ID=40 Pricing new was $9-12m, and everyone under the sun flew them, I'm sure we could find some older ones available in the $3-5m range and buy 6-8 for a squadron.
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Typical buyout price is 5 years worth of income. Buying out one of our investors would be 25% of our income for an entire year - on top of the 10% we already have to pay.
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Crazycryodude posted:Even if the shareholders don't stop us from doing shady poo poo if we ever want to, they're taking 10% of our money. Buying them out is a good long-term investment both in terms of finances and freedom. That would be a good investment if we expected returns of less than 10% on new equipment. The package we bought going into Angola yielded something like a 100% return. Astute CEOs with this kind of performance don't usually look to buy back shares - they look at opportunities for growth (naval arm, subsidiary PMCs to do poo poo like Bering Sea CAP, long-term Angolan AF contracts) and take as much capital as their organization needs. I mean, if the plan is to go outlaw and smash capitalism, we should at least leverage ourselves up to "Too Big To Fail" status first, right?
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power crystals posted:Also just gently caress shareholders and/or death to capitalism in general. We are capitalism. At least for now. We can morph into an Empire later.
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RA Rx posted:We are capitalism. At least for now. We're not inherently capitalist. It just happens that, currently, we're leveraging the corrupt and decadent capitalist system to efficiently gather the resources we will eventually use to destroy it. Subtle difference, but an important one.
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RA Rx posted:We are capitalism. At least for now. power crystals posted:As much as I am in favor of Space Communism Now, you've gotta make money to break money. That's how the saying goes right? I like to play the long con.
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Crazycryodude posted:We're not inherently capitalist. It just happens that, currently, we're leveraging the corrupt and decadent capitalist system to efficiently gather the resources we will eventually use to destroy it. Subtle difference, but an important one. gently caress destroying capitalism How can we make Crete a tourism hotbed without capitalism
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