UKMT May 2017: Weak and Wobbly vs. Old and Knobbly

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TomViolence: Feb 19, 2013; PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

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# ? May 29, 2017 19:51

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 00:20

serious gaylord: Sep 16, 2007; what.

learnincurve posted:

173,200 people aged 18-24 were claiming jsa or universal credits in march 2017, I'm not going to find out the exact number of them who were single 22 year old educated men living in a flat but let's take a leap of faith and assume there is one somewhere in the north of England. http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05871/SN05871.pdf

No I want to see it. You've posted at length about how lightbulbs are loving the poor and used an example to prove this that must be large proportion of 'the poor' for it to be relevant. Give us the data. Show me how many unemployed 22 year old single men there are living in one bedroom rented accommodation with no family support and no previous possessions.

# ? May 29, 2017 19:54

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

my mate daz is a single 22 y/o on jsa and he is doing alright

i mean he sells weed on the reg so that prob helps

# ? May 29, 2017 19:56

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

cress adds a pleasant freshness and a nice crunch to an egg sandwich. and if you buy it once (often you can get it for 25p or less on clearance) you can grow your own forever more for just the cost of some cotton wool. that's an extra 20p a week you can put towards light bulbs!

# ? May 29, 2017 19:56

Party Boat: Nov 1, 2007; where did that other dog come from

who is he

Our 22 year old would be able to spend a lot less on gas if he was still allowed to insulate his flat with asbestos. It's political correctness gone mad.

# ? May 29, 2017 19:56

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

Ratjaculation posted:

my mate daz is a single 22 y/o on jsa and he is doing alright

i mean he sells weed on the reg so that prob helps

How are his light bulbs?

# ? May 29, 2017 19:57

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Pissflaps posted:

How are his light bulbs?

Extremely power hungry and at risk of shorting out.

# ? May 29, 2017 19:59

Kegluneq: Feb 18, 2011; Mr President, the physical reality of Prime Minister Corbyn is beyond your range of apprehension. If you'll just put on these PINKOVISION glasses...

learnincurve posted:

HOW??? You don't even seem to understand that a pensioner in disability benefits can easily afford stuff.

Let's play the living on benefits game.

Young man 22, university degree, no dependants, one bed flat in a northern town with rent of £80 a week in council tax band c.

£57.90 a week jobseekers. -£1.78 in council tax -£1 water rates. Leaves £55.12 per week to live on. Token meters which people on the dole can only get have a .25p a day standing charge on them so take away £3.50. That's £51.62 left before you even turn on a hot water tap.
Going to the job centre is £3, gas and electric £10. Now we are down to £38.62. Want to attend a job interview and keep a phone on so the employer can contact you? That's another £3 bus trip and a Giff gaff contract is £2.50 a week. Now we are at £33.12.

£4.73 a day. To buy food, clothing, furniture, white goods, bus fares and so on. I also didn't give this hypothetical young man a maxed out credit card or overdraft fees. That's another £5 a week, and drops the poor lad to £4 a day to live on.

Now how insignificant does that £3.75 lightbulb feel?

Lol at this profligate young man spending money on light bulbs when he could just sit in the dark

Pretty sure Aldi bulbs are a fair bit cheaper than that anyway, but this is a silly argument from start to finish. Not only is the cost of the bulbs not that much higher but the savings can be seen in the short term as well.

# ? May 29, 2017 20:00

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

big scary monsters posted:

cress adds a pleasant freshness and a nice crunch to an egg sandwich. and if you buy it once (often you can get it for 25p or less on clearance) you can grow your own forever more for just the cost of some cotton wool. that's an extra 20p a week you can put towards light bulbs!

I grow chives in a bucket outside my front door. It's absolutely lovely to chop up a stalk or two in an egg/mayo sandwich or in scrambled eggs.

# ? May 29, 2017 20:00

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

who needs lightbulbs when ur lit as gently caress 24/7

# ? May 29, 2017 20:04

blunt: Jul 7, 2005

Previous page now, but whether the EU is a country is a more interesting question than whether Scotland is a country. (The answer is obviously no, but the argument is interesting)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lj127TKu4Q

# ? May 29, 2017 20:06

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

my brother's dissertation was on whether the EU is actually a nationality (i think)

he concluded it wasn't (he voted leave)

# ? May 29, 2017 20:09

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Ratjaculation posted:

my mate daz is a single 22 y/o on jsa and he is doing alright

i mean he sells weed on the reg so that prob helps

To be fair the police don't go after the dealers and focus on the cannabis growers themselves

and even then the cocaine and heroin dealers are top priority

# ? May 29, 2017 20:11

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

So Corbs is going first on tonight's debate after winning the coin toss, which has apparently pissed off the Tories as they wanted to go first.

Any ideas why he wants to go first, other than annoying the Tories?

# ? May 29, 2017 20:11

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Have we worked out the energy efficiency and failure rates of these oppressive LED bulbs to work out if they really are doing in the poor?

# ? May 29, 2017 20:11

Looke: Aug 2, 2013

going first means you're more strong and stable

# ? May 29, 2017 20:12

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Suppose it lets you set the narrative.

# ? May 29, 2017 20:12

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

big scary monsters posted:

cress adds a pleasant freshness and a nice crunch to an egg sandwich. and if you buy it once (often you can get it for 25p or less on clearance) you can grow your own forever more for just the cost of some cotton wool. that's an extra 20p a week you can put towards light bulbs!

This is all well and good but have we worked out the price of empty pots and the price of compost to make sure garden centres aren't "doing" jobseekers?

# ? May 29, 2017 20:14

Ratjaculation: Aug 3, 2007

going first means you dont have to worry about lightbulbs

# ? May 29, 2017 20:15

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

OwlFancier posted:

Extremely power hungry and at risk of shorting out.

Illuminating.

# ? May 29, 2017 20:15

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

blunt posted:

Previous page now, but whether the EU is a country is a more interesting question than whether Scotland is a country. (The answer is obviously no, but the argument is interesting)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lj127TKu4Q

Many Scottish nationalists refuse to call the UK a country.

# ? May 29, 2017 20:16

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/869269093618253824

I feel like this ad would work better if Corbyn was still as incredibly unpopular as he was at the start of the campaign. Now it literally just describes the election, albeit with Corbyn having come down with a bad case of the black-and-whites.

# ? May 29, 2017 20:17

TheRat: Aug 30, 2006

Pissflaps posted:

Many Scottish nationalists refuse to call the UK a country.

I've always found it extremely difficult to accept the concept of countries within countries.

# ? May 29, 2017 20:18

blunt: Jul 7, 2005

TheRat posted:

I've always found it extremely difficult to accept the concept of countries within countries.

That's what Sovereign States are for.

# ? May 29, 2017 20:20

mehall: Aug 27, 2010

Looke posted:

crisps are a pro move

Crisps on a sandwich are a pro move, but it means you need to buy non-Monster Munch crisps.

# ? May 29, 2017 20:20

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jabby posted:

I feel like this ad would work better if Corbyn was still as incredibly unpopular as he was at the start of the campaign. Now it literally just describes the election, albeit with Corbyn having come down with a bad case of the black-and-whites.

I'd just like to ask everyone in the thread for an actual topic as opposed to bargaining our lightbulbs. Why do you think that Corbyn has gone up in peoples estimations over this election campaign?

I mean I like the ideas expressed by him and am in favour of most of his policy positions, and I'd like to hope that it's like that for everyone, but what do you guys think?

# ? May 29, 2017 20:21

pitch a fitness: Mar 19, 2010

jabby posted:

So Corbs is going first on tonight's debate after winning the coin toss, which has apparently pissed off the Tories as they wanted to go first.

Any ideas why he wants to go first, other than annoying the Tories?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHE0wmgljco

# ? May 29, 2017 20:21

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Josef bugman posted:

I'd just like to ask everyone in the thread for an actual topic as opposed to bargaining our lightbulbs. Why do you think that Corbyn has gone up in peoples estimations over this election campaign?

Because the government has shown in a very blatant way how bad + vacuous it is?

# ? May 29, 2017 20:24

serious gaylord: Sep 16, 2007; what.

jabby posted:

So Corbs is going first on tonight's debate after winning the coin toss, which has apparently pissed off the Tories as they wanted to go first.

Any ideas why he wants to go first, other than annoying the Tories?

The tory speech was going to be a hit piece that would force him to respond to it instead of talking about policies. Now he can talk about policies and they have to respond to that.

# ? May 29, 2017 20:25

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Kegluneq posted:

Lol at this profligate young man spending money on light bulbs when he could just sit in the dark

Pretty sure Aldi bulbs are a fair bit cheaper than that anyway, but this is a silly argument from start to finish. Not only is the cost of the bulbs not that much higher but the savings can be seen in the short term as well.

The big problem with these efficiency saving calculators is they assume all inefficiency is waste. Incandescents are only about 2% efficient as lights, which makes them 98% efficient as heaters.

If you're in a house with electric heating only, that's pretty useful during winter, you can set the heaters a bit lower. Most of that is radiant heat too, so it warms quite evenly. Putting the big light on a bit early to warm the bedroom up during winter months was a fairly typical thing.

They still suck terribly during summer, and have lifespan issues and all that, and it would be far better to have LED lights and a quartz heater and not live in typical British housing stock, but I don't think you can say it's a flat 82% saving.

Radiant heaters are only about �9 now too, or you could probably get something like that next to free on gumtree, but that wasn't the case when the ban first started to come in.

Pissflaps posted:

Many Scottish nationalists refuse to call the UK a country.

They omit the last syllable.

# ? May 29, 2017 20:25

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Josef bugman posted:

I'd just like to ask everyone in the thread for an actual topic as opposed to bargaining our lightbulbs. Why do you think that Corbyn has gone up in peoples estimations over this election campaign?

I mean I like the ideas expressed by him and am in favour of most of his policy positions, and I'd like to hope that it's like that for everyone, but what do you guys think?

The increased focus on the candidates since the election was called meant more people got to watch him speak directly rather than read what the papers said his opinions and policies were

# ? May 29, 2017 20:25

jabby: Oct 27, 2010

Josef bugman posted:

I'd just like to ask everyone in the thread for an actual topic as opposed to bargaining our lightbulbs. Why do you think that Corbyn has gone up in peoples estimations over this election campaign?

I mean I like the ideas expressed by him and am in favour of most of his policy positions, and I'd like to hope that it's like that for everyone, but what do you guys think?

I think it's because people have actually seen him and heard about his policies. Before the campaign most people will only have heard of him via attacks from either the Tories, the right wing media or the PLP. When all you know about someone is that most of their party doesn't like them it's easy to conclude they're not a good leader. When you actually see them in person that initial impression can easily change.

# ? May 29, 2017 20:25

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

jBrereton posted:

Because the government has shown in a very blatant way how bad + vacuous it is?

That's probably part of it, but Corbyn's favourability ratings seem to have risen by dramatically more than May's have fallen.

I imagine that an actual, positive message plus an anti-establishment vibe is going a long way.

# ? May 29, 2017 20:26

Josef bugman: Nov 17, 2011; Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

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I thought it might be something like that. Though I was wondering if you asked people where exactly the narrative change comes from would you get a specific answer.