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That seems really dumb when they literally have all the rules required in the book that I'm buying. I just want goddamn Stormtalons and Land Speeder Storms 
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Without the leaks of the Stratagems it is hard to say. Surely there is a Blood Angels one that keys off the Death Company keyword. That is where to look for good special rules in this edition.
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May 29, 2017 20:38
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Strobe posted:Also 2 wounds. That's a pretty good reason for them to get more expensive. For each terminator you could get 2 bigmars
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May 29, 2017 20:39
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Pendent posted:Most of the rules and data sheets for the Blood Angels leaked on Bolter and Chainsword. Really underwhelming from what I've seen so far, and they don't even give us any of the goodies we were missing from the vanilla codex despite the fact that this weekend they had a bunch of Centurions etc painted up in Blood Angel colors. Death Company get hit really hard. Hopefully this is more the new standard going forward than GW giving my army the shaft again... Don't forget that Chainswords are still +1 attack, and you can absolutely run two Chainswords on Death Company models, or at least could in 7th.
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May 29, 2017 20:39
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The same thing happened in 3rd edition when all of the rulebook codices we're extremely bland and basic.
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May 29, 2017 20:43
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TKIY posted:This all has to do with being able to separate the point cost from the unit entry so they can address and rebalance later. The can issue a new 'points cost' sheet at any time as a PDF that you just slip into your index this way instead of reprinting a whole bunch of pages. Basically this. It's like the whole community had a stroke and forgot Battlescribe is a thing. Hell, at the rate leaks are emerging all lists will be downloadable before pre-orders are even up. With that in mind, if anyone cares about Animes photos of all their rules are being posted on 4chan now.
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May 29, 2017 20:45
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xtothez posted:Basically this. It's like the whole community had a stroke and forgot Battlescribe is a thing. Hell, at the rate leaks are emerging all lists will be downloadable before pre-orders are even up. Facebook has it all up as well. Looks like Reddit is maintaining links. Beer4TheBeerGod fucked around with this message at 20:59 on May 29, 2017 |
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May 29, 2017 20:46
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Who the hell is posting Tau before Orks? 
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May 29, 2017 20:48
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Mango Polo posted:Remember this guy? Haha holy poo poo that Sigmarine. I guess this way there's a fluff reason for the moments when humanities ultra-finest miss their shots.
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May 29, 2017 20:51
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Miles O'Brian posted:Who the hell is posting Tau before Orks? People thirsting for tau suffering mostly. Ion riptides are 316 points plus mandatory drones and nova reactor always expends a wound to work. E: and their base bs is 4+.
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May 29, 2017 20:56
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Artum posted:nova reactor always expends a wound to work.  I take back what I said. That's loving beautiful.
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May 29, 2017 20:57
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Miles O'Brian posted:Who the hell is posting Tau before Orks? People who hate me.
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May 29, 2017 21:00
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quote:These Chapter’s still trace their genetic lineage back to the gene-seed of the First Founding, and scions of all nine loyalists Legions emerged from the vaults beneath the red planet. Writing is hard.
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May 29, 2017 21:00
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Pendent posted:
They have 14 wounds now so its fair enough, riptides are as expensive as they always should have been. Here, its in lovely eye-strain-o-vision. 
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May 29, 2017 21:02
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Genghis Cohen posted:https://m.imgur.com/r/Warhammer40k/kPLQc Was kinda hoping Chosen would get beefed up stats to match Primaris, but if they're only 16 points that ain't happening Clawtopsy posted:Looking at those few pages, Black Legion Obliterators within 12" of Abaddon would result in seven rolls against a multi-wound unit. (Hit, hit, strength, wound, AP, damage, saves) "8th edition is going to be faster" loving knew it
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May 29, 2017 21:02
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A predator destructor went from 110 to 171. That's some bullshit
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May 29, 2017 21:04
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chutche2 posted:A predator annihilator went from 110 to 171. That's some bullshit Looks like a lot of things are getting more expensive.
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May 29, 2017 21:07
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TheChirurgeon posted:Someone did a chart comparing old points costs to new ones. Looks about right to me, though some of it will depend on how the models change in power. 30% cheaper rubrics? Thank Tzeentch! E: does not include wargear, that's worthless lol goose willis posted:What the gently caress is a Poxwalker Its a rebranded Plauge Zombie. Zombies are kinda overdone so I'm cool with it.
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May 29, 2017 21:08
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chutche2 posted:A predator destructor went from 110 to 171. That's some bullshit
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May 29, 2017 21:12
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Looks like a lot of things are getting more expensive. Yeah its just irritating seeing my squadron of destructors go from 1/6 to 1/4 of a 2k list. I'm fielding the tank legion and it seems like I have to focus way more on tac marines and devastators since they cost the same or less Safety Factor posted:Uh. What kind of annihilators were you running? They should have been a lot more than 110. I edited my post to say deatructor already, as shown by what it says when you quoted me.
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May 29, 2017 21:14
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Strobe posted:At this point I'm hoping that GW at least realizes that this is a loving stupid way to handle points costs, and in three weeks/months comes out with an update that basically goes back to 7th edition's methods of pricing points costs. They're otherwise totally separate, so it's entirely possible that it happens. I dont' think so. In White Dwarf there was just a GW guy going "I love narrative play personally, so I just add up some quick power points and we can battle!" like they're REALLY pushing that as a legit way to play. gently caress dude I love narrative play but I still want some loving points.
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May 29, 2017 21:17
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xtothez posted:Basically this. It's like the whole community had a stroke and forgot Battlescribe is a thing. Hell, at the rate leaks are emerging all lists will be downloadable before pre-orders are even up. Nobody had a loving stroke. Its just really stupid to print the wrong values in the books when you could just otherwise. Battlescribe existing is irrelevant to the argument, unless you're saying people just straight up shouldn't buy the books at all and just make their lists using battlescribe, which GW wouldn't be keen on at ALL. Its dumb design. Stop making excuses for it.
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May 29, 2017 21:21
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Narrative play doesn't need points because the kind of people who are playing narrative don't care. The points are displayed in a terrible manner and it just encourages third party software. That's not a good thing.
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May 29, 2017 21:24
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Y'all are getting irritated over quality-of-life issues, and meanwhile i'm sitting here being like "please just let my army work at all"
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May 29, 2017 21:24
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The predator autocannon is directly competitive with the double lascannon now, so that's nice. I think an anmihilator was about 140? Now it's a little over 200. The autocannon is priced roughly the same as the lascannon now but the base cost went up 12 points and now you're paying another 50 for the standard gun on it.
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May 29, 2017 21:27
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Ignite Memories posted:Y'all are getting irritated over quality-of-life issues, and meanwhile i'm sitting here being like "please just let my army work at all" Is this like the equivalent of "Space Marine Player Problems"?
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May 29, 2017 21:29
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I'm champing at the bit for Tyranid info. They are the army I want to run in 8th. My marines can stay in 30k.
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May 29, 2017 21:32
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Ignite Memories posted:Y'all are getting irritated over quality-of-life issues, and meanwhile i'm sitting here being like "please just let my army work at all" pretty sure that's THE quality of life issue at the core of GW gaming
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May 29, 2017 21:34
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Ignite Memories posted:Y'all are getting irritated over quality-of-life issues, and meanwhile i'm sitting here being like "please just let my army work at all" I play Orks?
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Some of those power vs points values seem real hinky. Here's one that struck me immediately. 5 Death company with standard equipment cost 9 Power. 4 Sanguinary guard with their standard gear cost 10 Power. Now compare the points values. 5 vanilla war gear Death Company are 17 points each, 85 for the unit. 4 vanilla war gear Sanguinary are 44 points each, 176 for the unit. By Power it costs about 10% more, by points it's over double. Incidentally the points version is actually much more reasonable in this case. Sanguinary Guard seem so much better than Death Company it's not even funny, jump packs, 2 wounds, encarmine blades, 2+ save etc.
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May 29, 2017 21:54
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Did anybody else notice that the combat knife and the chainsword have the exact same bonus?
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Deptfordx posted:Some of those power vs points values seem real hinky. I think this actually represents Power being determined for the best-equipped unit you can make, which is... well, it's better than having power be for all the standard wargear.
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Pendent posted:Did anybody else notice that the combat knife and the chainsword have the exact same bonus? Yep, so much for chainswords being special. Should have made them AP-1 or something 
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Anyone got the Tau leaks?
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Serotonin posted:Anyone got the Tau leaks? https://www.facebook.com/AOCPodcast/posts/1925887710989611
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Serotonin posted:Anyone got the Tau leaks? https://www.facebook.com/GrotOrderly/posts/1453285424737613 for glorious squint o-vision
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May 29, 2017 22:12
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Cheers. Wtf did he photograph that with?
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Strobe posted:I think this actually represents Power being determined for the best-equipped unit you can make, which is... well, it's better than having power be for all the standard wargear. So you could give those 5 Death company, as you're perfectly entitled to do now, an Inferno pistol and a Power Fist each. Their Power Rating would still be 9, but their point value would now go from 85 to 285. You've just broken the Power vs Points rating in the other direction. It's still broken.
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I didn't say it was good (I don't think it is), but having Power account for full wargear is definitely better than Power being a naked unit and all the wargear is basically free.
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It does illustrate that GW's happy 'Just turn up at your local FLGS and throw a list together to play with your new found friends using this simple power score concept' is basically bollocks though. Two mirror-match lists that are theoreticaly identical based on unit composition and power rating could be massively different in points costs if one side went all in on wargear and the other person didn't.
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