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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:Seriously. We get the loving Weeaboo Warriors, Bolter Bitches, and Brotherhood of the Used Tampon but no loving Orks? Lets not do this. DO IT TO IT posted:So comparing 2 Scything Talons pairs against Crushing Claws + Scything Talons comes down to do I want Str6 and re-roll 1s to hit, or do I want Str12. With so much T7 and T8 showing up now, I wonder how useful Str6 would even be. 2x Scything Talons would be great with Old One eye, +1 Attack, hitting on 3's rerolling 1's. That's probably worth wounding on 5's over 3's on big dudes.
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DO IT TO IT posted:So comparing 2 Scything Talons pairs against Crushing Claws + Scything Talons comes down to do I want Str6 and re-roll 1s to hit, or do I want Str12. With so much T7 and T8 showing up now, I wonder how useful Str6 would even be. Do you want to wound huge things on 5+ rerolling 1s to hit or 3+ dealing multiple damage? To me the choice is clear (and I have 4 Claw fexes already  )One of my buddies has a Tyranid army and is big on customization, so when he saw the two(2) biomorph options his sole reply was "what the gently caress".
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May 30, 2017 18:11
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TheChirurgeon posted:Actually yeah, people were asking for this. I agree with you though, in that it will just lead to playing 2k points games instead of 1500-point games Were players really too brokebrains to just play smaller games? Do they think tournaments have their invitation flyers printed up in advance and now it'll be too late to change them? It's like straight doubling all wounds and damage values and claiming the game will now play more deadly and decisive. Jesus. "Aw man, these 2000 point games just take too long. If only GW could make everything more expensive so that when I play a 2000 point game, I have less stuff." PoontifexMacksimus fucked around with this message at 18:16 on May 30, 2017 |
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I love Moola and skulls. I'd live to rerun a Warrior army or a retake on Gidzilla tyranid. Its what I started with and I miss it. I'll say this they are doing a good job with point pricing with them an considering the last 3 codexes or so that is a huge positive leap.
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anyone criticizing the recent changes is just a bolter bitch imo
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Lets not do this. Fair enough.
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anti_strunt posted:Were players really too brokebrains to just play smaller games? Do they think tournaments have their invitation flyers printed up in advance and now it'll be too late to change them? The ITC had a poll twice a year or so asking if players wanted to drop down to 1650, which the TOs and top players wanted to make sure games got done on time. It always narrowly failed to get voted yes.
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JesusIsTehCool posted:Are people actually so dense they were like "man I wish there was a way to make the game smaller?" while playing 2000 point games and not, you know, just play a 1500 or 1250 point game?!? Making the game smaller is not the same as making the game faster, I don't really care that much, I'll just play 1750-2500 point games now instead of 1250-2000, but I just think it is funny and classic GW to say they made a change and have actually done nothing. THis really breaks my brain 
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Soulfucker posted:Do you want to wound huge things on 5+ rerolling 1s to hit or 3+ dealing multiple damage? To me the choice is clear (and I have 4 Claw fexes already I am absolutely loving stoked that clawyfexes are looking solid. I love the crab claws, but for such a long time they were poo poo or on a poo poo platform.
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This is like getting the "I just need some cash" speech from your friend who's a dope fiend. The longer GW talks the more their bad habits come to the front. By release date they'll be talking about their new proprietary plastic that combusts two years after it's been cut off the sprue.
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May 30, 2017 18:19
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At the renegade open we dropped to 1650 and had only 9 games over 6 rounds with about 30 games per round, not finish in time. It makes a difference.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:The ITC had a poll twice a year or so asking if players wanted to drop down to 1650, which the TOs and top players wanted to make sure games got done on time. It always narrowly failed to get voted yes. And this majority lusting after huge and unwieldy battles will just take the reduction in stride? If they could overrule the organisers to keep an arbitrary number I don't see how they couldn't overrule them to increase it.
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Beer4TheBeerGod posted:For starters I'm not sure assault is a good idea since the Battlewagon can only hit on a 5+. At that point it's the same as shooting but without the risk of getting hit back.
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anti_strunt posted:And this majority lusting after huge and unwieldy battles will just take the reduction in stride? If they could overrule the organisers to keep an arbitrary number I don't see how they couldn't overrule them to increase it. The ITC people aren't going to ask them if they want to increase it, most likely. I would guess they will ask to ignore the psychic focus rule, though.
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I'm trying to follow 4chan just for leaks and there are just a ton of off-topic permavirgin neckbeards discussing children's clothing and complaining about being called out for sexualizing children and it's just  I want to train my students to knife-fight now, Jesus Christ. Artum posted:The deff rolla supposedly hits on a 2+ if that makes much of a difference. I couldn't see that anywhere on the datasheet, but it might have just been obscured.
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Proletariat Beowulf posted:I'm trying to follow 4chan just for leaks and there are just a ton of off-topic permavirgin neckbeards discussing children's clothing and complaining about being called out for sexualizing children and it's just It's just a game and we'll have full scans by the end of the week, no one should have to subject themselves to that.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:The ITC people aren't going to ask them if they want to increase it, most likely. I would guess they will ask to ignore the psychic focus rule, though. Why didn't they just reduce the points
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Because if they didn't listen to a bunch of people who probably didn't even go to their events, they'd be branded beta cucks who want to ruin 40k for everyone. Instead they held the vote, and were branded beta cucks who want to ruin 40k for everyone.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Actually yeah, people were asking for this. I agree with you though, in that it will just lead to playing 2k points games instead of 1500-point games Who was asking for that? There's a number of skirmish games I can point them to if it means my tanks don't double in price.
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MasterSlowPoke posted:Because if they didn't listen to a bunch of people who probably didn't even go to their events, they'd be branded beta cucks who want to ruin 40k for everyone. So, again, broken brains. At that point it's just bureaucratic obfuscation and asking GW to save them from having to interact with/upset their players. PoontifexMacksimus fucked around with this message at 18:36 on May 30, 2017 |
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MasterSlowPoke posted:It's just a game and we'll have full scans by the end of the week, no one should have to subject themselves to that. True story. Christ, the NSA ought to be banging down doors of every MGTOW, InCel, and MRA subreddit subscriber. Did we get the release date of the Imperial Armor Index: Xenos from FW? I predict/hope StoneCrushers will deal multiple Mortal Wounds on the charge. Also, wrecker claws and flail 
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So, assuming OOE is still an HQ as he is now and that carnifexes are no longer squads, it's possible to fit 7 of the dumb lugs into the Spearhead detachment. I haven't seen OOE's actual points yet, but the rumors put him at 140 so I'm going with that. Old One Eye - 140 3xScreamer-Killers Carnifex - 67 Dual Scything Talons - 20 Bio-Plasma - 9 Total: 96 each 3xDakkafexes Carnifex - 67 2xBrainleech Devourers - 14 2xBrainleech Devourers - 14 Total: 95 each 713 points  I am 100% running this in my first game of 8th. Plenty of room for other stuff like gaunts, a hive tyrant, and some zoanthropes.
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It's not about just scaling the points up so that 1850 is 2000 now or whatever. The points are offloaded in vehicles such that they proportionally more expensive. "Just play a smaller game" is not the same as "Just increase the points cost for vehicles so there is less of them". You can't look at the points ratio change in isolation as "people could have just played smaller games". There are a ton of changes to the game that apply here, including health/damage/armor for vehicles. I'm not defending any one of them in particular, it's fine to think more expensive vehicles is stupid if thats what you think, but you can't argue that people should have just played smaller games to say it's stupid.
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Artum posted:The deff rolla supposedly hits on a 2+ if that makes much of a difference. I didn't see that in the Datasheet, but it's nice if true. As far as I could tell it only adds 3 extra attacks. Of course we don't know how many attacks a Battlewagon gets.
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Safety Factor posted:2xBrainleech Devourers - 14 'Deathspitter with slimer maggots' sounds like it's the new MC version of the Deathspitter, and it costs more points than the brainleech devourers. I wouldn't be surprised if that was a better weapon now that everyone has gone out and bought the FW upgrade kit But otherwise, I'm totally doing this list too. Probably with some Stonecrushers if the rules come out in time.
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Checking the webstore, Carnifexes (Carnifii?) are Elite instead of Heavy Support. Thankfully, there's an all-Elite detachment too, so same rules apply. Bad news is that means no thropes, but the good news is it means you can bring along a Trygon to babysit your gaunts or a Malceptor to fill the psyker role.
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The Bee posted:Checking the webstore, Carnifexes (Carnifii?) are Elite instead of Heavy Support. Thankfully, there's an all-Elite detachment too, so same rules apply. Bad news is that means no thropes, but the good news is it means you can bring along a Trygon to babysit your gaunts or a Malceptor to fill the psyker role. Eh, Venomthropes only benefit Infantry now anyway. Fill that Elites up with Carnifexes and then put a bunch of Exocrines or something in Heavy Support and go nuts. Adrenal Glands on monsters (or anything really): worth it? They're +1" to Advances and Charges. I'll probably put them on my Hormagaunts, at least.
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I think they're definitely worth it, makes pod charges far more likely, especially if you can get one near the Swarmlord.
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DO IT TO IT posted:Eh, Venomthropes only benefit Infantry now anyway. Fill that Elites up with Carnifexes and then put a bunch of Exocrines or something in Heavy Support and go nuts. Good for gribblies coming out of a trygon's tunnel
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DO IT TO IT posted:Eh, Venomthropes only benefit Infantry now anyway. Fill that Elites up with Carnifexes and then put a bunch of Exocrines or something in Heavy Support and go nuts. Pods and everything land 9" away. You need 8" on 2d6 to charge. Add adrenals, and now you make that charge most of the time. So hell yes to Adrenals.
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The Bee posted:Checking the webstore, Carnifexes (Carnifii?) are Elite instead of Heavy Support. Thankfully, there's an all-Elite detachment too, so same rules apply. Bad news is that means no thropes, but the good news is it means you can bring along a Trygon to babysit your gaunts or a Malceptor to fill the psyker role. Obviously going to wait for a real look at the datasheets before deciding anything. I took a look at GW's Tyranids section and it's all sorts of hosed up. Tervigons are in heavy support, the only HQ is the Tyrant, etc.
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Adrenals also benefit charging out of flamer range in order to avoid overwatch return fire. I see Tyrant Guard under HQ too. Old One-Eye doesn't have his own store page like the Swarmlord does, so he might be HQ as well. The Bee fucked around with this message at 19:00 on May 30, 2017 |
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TKIY posted:Pods and everything land 9" away. You need 8" on 2d6 to charge. Add adrenals, and now you make that charge most of the time. You need a 9" to charge from reserves, it's more than 9" away.
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General Olloth posted:It's not about just scaling the points up so that 1850 is 2000 now or whatever. The points are offloaded in vehicles such that they proportionally more expensive. It appears that most things cost more points though, not just vehicles. Even if that wasn't the case, and only vehicles see major point increases, it is still about making the game smaller and not faster. I was addressing the claim that people were asking for smaller games, not that people wanted a different ratio of vehicles to troops or whatever. I never said things won't be more balanced or whatever (they likely won't cause GW) I just think its absurd to claim you made a 2000 point game faster, when all you really have done is reprice things to make a 2000 point game what used to be a 1500 point game.
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Why won't people just play 2500 point games if they want bigger games?
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JesusIsTehCool posted:It appears that most things cost more points though, not just vehicles. Even if that wasn't the case, and only vehicles see major point increases, it is still about making the game smaller and not faster. I was addressing the claim that people were asking for smaller games, not that people wanted a different ratio of vehicles to troops or whatever. I never said things won't be more balanced or whatever (they likely won't cause GW) I just think its absurd to claim you made a 2000 point game faster, when all you really have done is reprice things to make a 2000 point game what used to be a 1500 point game. Troops and HQs dont seem to cost more and they've mostly increased the cost of things that received massive buffs or were woefully undercosted, I get the feeling after 3 editions people are just too used to some stuff being bread and butter units instead of high impact specialists like they're meant to be.
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GreenMarine posted:Why won't people just play 2500 point games if they want bigger games? They will, that is my whole point. Nothing has really changed.
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They will just play bigger point games. People want to fit in most of the toys they buy so it'll just go up. GW seems to not understand at least partially so they take odd measures to force it. Their ideal is to just make minitures an not have a game to really worry about. Pre points AoS was that try an didn't go as they hoped. New GW or not, post Kirby or not, they want to make cool toys am sell them. They have learned they need some system or people go elsewhere. So far 8th shows some positive lessons learned then others not so much.
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On second thought I will just cede all points and not argue about rules in this thread. Here is a cool rear end C&C mammoth tank conversion I just stole from going to reddit.  Let's talk about how loving rad this is. EDIT: I just got a strong urge to do Brotherhood of Nod imperial guard... Salynne fucked around with this message at 19:17 on May 30, 2017 |
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