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ZeeToo
Feb 20, 2008

I'm a kitty!

jon joe posted:

For the last time ZeeToo, crossbow bolts that are actually bees are not a good idea!

Sealife exists, too!

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Cathode Raymond
Dec 30, 2015

My antenna is telling me that you're probably wrong about this.
Soiled Meat
If not bee crossbow bolts can we at least add Animal Trainer and point buy animal companions? I want my next build to be a gremlin that fields 3 mediocre war mules, or a dark gnome that fields a strangler that wields 4 beehives.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


There's something wrong with you people.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

quote:

Goblin 2 strikes Goblin 1 in the right foot with her iron stepladder and the injured part explodes into gore!
An artery has been opened by the attack!
The force bends the right ankle, bruising the muscle and bruising the muscle!
Goblin 1 strikes Goblin 2 in the right upper leg with her iron stepladder, bruising the muscle!
Goblin 1: I've been injured badly. This leaves me so shaken.
Goblin 2 strikes Goblin 1 in the left hand with her iron stepladder, bruising the muscle!
Goblin 1 strikes Goblin 2 in the right hand with her iron stepladder, but there is no force!
Goblin 2 strikes at Goblin 1 but the shot is parried by the iron stepladder!
Goblin 1 attacks Goblin 2 but She scrambles away!
Goblin 1 strikes Goblin 2 in the head with her iron stepladder, but there is no force!
Goblin 2 strikes Goblin 1 in the left lower leg with her iron stepladder, bruising the muscle!
Goblin 1 strikes Goblin 2 in the upper front teeth with her iron stepladder and the severed part sails off in an arc!
Goblin 2 attacks Goblin 1 but She scrambles away!
Goblin 1 strikes Goblin 2 in the upper body with her iron stepladder, bruising the muscle, jamming the left true ribs through the heart and tearing apart the heart!
A major artery in the heart has been opened by the attack!
Goblin 2 punches Goblin 1 in the left lower leg with her right hand, bruising the muscle!
Goblin 1 misses Goblin 2!
Goblin 1 strikes Goblin 2 in the lower body with her iron stepladder, bruising the muscle and bruising the spleen!
Goblin 2 attacks Goblin 1 but She rolls away!
Goblin 1 strikes Goblin 2 in the lower body with her iron stepladder, bruising the muscle and bruising the spleen!
Goblin 2 strikes at Goblin 1 but the shot is easily parried by the iron stepladder!
Goblin 1 strikes Goblin 2 in the neck with her iron stepladder, bruising the muscle and shattering the upper spine's bone!
Goblin 1 strikes Goblin 2 in the right hand with her iron stepladder and the injured part is crushed!

quote:

Goblin 3: Can it all end so quickly? Begone fear!
Goblin 5 strikes at Goblin 3 but the shot is deftly parried by the iron bookcase!
Goblin 3 attacks Goblin 5 but She jumps away!
Goblin 4 strikes at Goblin 3 but the shot is deflected by the iron bookcase!
Goblin 3 misses Goblin 4!
Goblin 5 bites Goblin 3 in the right upper leg, tearing the muscle!
Goblin 4 strikes Goblin 3 in the right hand with her iron cauldron, bruising the fat!
Goblin 3 attacks Goblin 4 but She jumps away!
Goblin 5 hacks Goblin 3 in the right lower leg with her iron meat cleaver, tearing apart the muscle!
An artery has been opened by the attack!
Goblin 3 falls over.
Goblin 3: I've been injured badly. I can't take it!
Goblin 3 attacks Goblin 5 but She jumps away!
Goblin 5 hacks Goblin 3 in the left lower arm with her iron meat cleaver and the severed part sails off in an arc!
Goblin 4 strikes Goblin 3 in the right lower arm with her iron cauldron, bruising the muscle!
Goblin 3 strikes Goblin 4 in the lower body with her iron bookcase, bruising the muscle and bruising the stomach!
Goblin 5 strikes Goblin 3 in the head with the handle of her iron meat cleaver, bruising the muscle!
The force bends the neck, tearing apart the skin and bruising the fat!
Goblin 3 strikes Goblin 4 in the left upper leg with her iron bookcase, bruising the muscle!
Goblin 4 punches Goblin 3 in the left foot with her right hand, bruising the bone!
The force bends the left ankle, tearing apart the muscle and bruising the bone and tearing apart the muscle and bruising the bone!
A ligament has been bruised and a tendon has been bruised!
Goblin 3 misses Goblin 4!
Goblin 5 hacks Goblin 3 in the left upper arm with her iron meat cleaver, tearing apart the muscle!
An artery has been opened by the attack and many nerves have been severed!

There's a whole 'tools' gear category.

edit: a stepladder counts as a mace?

Synthbuttrange fucked around with this message at 11:22 on May 29, 2017

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Stepladders are incredibly deadly because they weigh 300 units. The downside is your fighter becomes incredibly tired really fast from carrying it and moves at a snails pace.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer

Synthbuttrange posted:

Stepladders are incredibly deadly because they weigh 300 units. The downside is your fighter becomes incredibly tired really fast from carrying it and moves at a snails pace.

So what you're saying is, yeti with a stepladder.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

gremlin with a stepladder

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

onlymarfans.com

Synthbuttrange posted:

gremlin with a stepladder

But he stands on it and can never get off

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Heya Jazzimus, do you have a changelist for the latest version of arena?

gbuchold
Oct 7, 2007

We feel free because we lack the very language to articulate our unfreedom.
Pillbug
The new meta: stepladder with a crossbow that shoots bees

The actual new meta: fifteen variations on human-with-a-stepladder named after various Jackie Chan characters

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

quote:

Minotaur 3 punches Minotaur 2 in the head with his right hand, bruising the muscle!
The force bends the neck, tearing apart the skin and bruising the fat!
Minotaur 2 misses Minotaur 3!
Minotaur 3 strikes Minotaur 2 in the right upper arm with his iron stepladder, bruising the muscle!
Minotaur 2 strikes Minotaur 1 in the head with his iron minecart, bruising the muscle!
The force pulls the neck, tearing apart the fat!
Minotaur 3 strikes Minotaur 2 in the left lower leg with his iron stepladder, bruising the muscle!
Minotaur 2 misses Minotaur 3!
Minotaur 3 strikes Minotaur 2 in the lower body with his iron stepladder, bruising the muscle and bruising the guts!
It is a gelding blow!
Minotaur 2 gives in to pain
.

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

onlymarfans.com
Ok so is this like the ECW of Dwarf Arena now because if so I'm in it to win it

Jazzimus Prime
May 16, 2002

The Brothers Autobot

Synthbuttrange posted:

Heya Jazzimus, do you have a changelist for the latest version of arena?

I don't know all of the changes that affect combat in the new DF version, but here are the changes that I'll be making to the arena raws over the next couple of days. I'll provide full details once they've all been implemented.


- Whips and scourges will be strengthened, not sure how just yet

- Pikes: reduce attack speed, reduce contact area (more damage through armor), increase mass/weapon velocity.

- Modify troll raws so they aren't just a "generic big guy" race. Possibly giving them a massive increase to regeneration and reducing their other attributes.

- Gremlins: Reduce toughness/endurance/willpower, but give them even MORE points to spend

- Make helms and caps cheaper and reduce their failure rate, to compensate for the fact that fighters will now remove disabled enemies' headgear

- Reduce failure rates of armor, to compensate for the fact that armor can now become damaged during a fight

- Enable Observer as a purchasable skill


I probably won't touch the ranged stuff this first time around. Maybe after running a quick test tournament.

Jazzimus Prime
May 16, 2002

The Brothers Autobot
I've uploaded new changes to the raws, so all that's left is to re-balance the points and costs, and we should be good to start a test tourney this weekend.

https://arenachallenge.com/dwarffort/df_43_05_arena.zip


The new changes to the raws:


Whip contact area reduced from 35 to 12, penetration increased from 20 to 24, velocity multiplier increased from 3000 to 4000.

Scourge contact area reduced from 50 to 40, penetration reduced from 100 to 80.

Pike contact area reduced from 25 to 20, velocity multiplier increased from 1000 to 1250, size increased from 900 to 1000, stabbing prepare-and-recover time increased from 3 to 4.

Helm coverage increased from 98 to 99, to compensate for the new armor damage feature and the new removing-helmets-from-helpless-opponents feature.

Cap coverage increased from 75 to 80, to compensate for the new armor damage feature and the new removing-helmets-from-helpless-opponents feature.

Mail shirt coverage increased from 80 to 90, to compensate for the new armor damage feature.

Gremlins: Removed TOUGHNESS+ and ENDURANCE+, changed WILLPOWER- to WILLPOWER--. (they will receive additional points in exchange)

Dark Gnomes: Gained immunity to Serpent Man venom.

Trolls: Removed STRENGTH+, changed TOUGHNESS++ to TOUGHNESS+, changed RECUPERATION+ to RECUPERATION+++, added DISEASE_RESISTANCE+++

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
Time for team Heavily Whipped to take the champion belt.

Jazzimus Prime
May 16, 2002

The Brothers Autobot

jon joe posted:

Time for team Heavily Whipped to take the champion belt.

Whips are still tied for the slowest weapon and don't dual-wield well. That said, they should be much more powerful this next time around and should have a chance to pierce armor.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
I'd up helmet reliability to 100%, and to move pikes to spear skill. Other than that, I'd like to see how this all ends up working in practice before I make any new suggestion.

Spermy Smurf
Jul 2, 2004
Sounds like I should run a small test tournament.

2v2 or 3v3 or 4v4?

Jazzimus Prime
May 16, 2002

The Brothers Autobot

my dad posted:

I'd up helmet reliability to 100%, and to move pikes to spear skill. Other than that, I'd like to see how this all ends up working in practice before I make any new suggestion.

Okay, I've re-uploaded the zip file:

https://arenachallenge.com/dwarffort/df_43_05_arena.zip


Here is the changelog for the new version, with the new changes since my last post in bold:


Game engine upgraded from Dwarf Fortress 40.24 to Dwarf Fortress 42.05.


Whip contact area reduced from 35 to 12, penetration increased from 20 to 24, velocity multiplier increased from 3000 to 4000.

Scourge contact area reduced from 50 to 40, penetration reduced from 100 to 80.

Pike contact area reduced from 25 to 20, velocity multiplier increased from 1000 to 1250, size increased from 900 to 1000, stabbing prepare-and-recover time increased from 3 to 4.

Pikes now use Spear skill.

Helm coverage increased from 98 to 100, to compensate for the new armor damage feature and the new removing-helmets-from-helpless-opponents feature.

Cap coverage increased from 75 to 80, to compensate for the new armor damage feature and the new removing-helmets-from-helpless-opponents feature.

Mail shirt coverage increased from 80 to 90, to compensate for the new armor damage feature.

Reduced base cost of Pikes on the site from 180 to 150.

Reduced base cost of Caps on the site from 25 to 15.

Reduced base cost of Helms on the site from 60 to 50.

Pike skill disabled on the site, and is no longer purchasable.

Added Observer skill to purchasable skills on the site, at a base cost of 5 points per incremental skill level.


Gremlins: Removed TOUGHNESS+ and ENDURANCE+, changed WILLPOWER- to WILLPOWER--.

Dark Gnomes: Gained immunity to Serpent Man venom.

Trolls: Removed STRENGTH+, changed TOUGHNESS++ to TOUGHNESS+, changed RECUPERATION+ to RECUPERATION+++, added DISEASE_RESISTANCE+++

Increased base Gremlin points on the site from 1500 to 1650.

Reset item point values for testing leagues to use the Armok Arena League values

Reset race point values for testing leagues to use 1.5x the Armok Arena League value for starting points, 1.5x the Armok Arena League value for points for reaching the playoff, and 1x the Armok Arena League value for points per playoff victory.


... And with that, I think, it's ready to go.



Spermy Smurf posted:

Sounds like I should run a small test tournament.

2v2 or 3v3 or 4v4?


Probably 2v2 or 3v3 at first unless there's a huge amount of interest in being part of testing the changes.

Jazzimus Prime fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Jun 2, 2017

Spermy Smurf
Jul 2, 2004

Jazzimus Prime posted:

... And with that, I think, it's ready to go.

You heard the man.

:siren:Get in here:siren:


3v3, 8 teams, 24 fighters total. Get in while there's room.

Double elimination, playoff only bracket, reseeding high to low.

Create a fighter, apply for them to join the tournament.


And remember, we're testing things, so the dumber the better. Just pretend you're Tunicate when building a fighter.

Galick
Nov 26, 2011

Why does Khajiit have to go to prison this time?
Hoofvs McKenzie is ready!

Jazzimus Prime
May 16, 2002

The Brothers Autobot
:siren: REMEMBER: :siren:

In a double-elimination tournament, the advancing losers' bracket teams only get points every OTHER round. Otherwise they would end up with more points than the winners' bracket champion at the end by virtue of having to fight more fights, and that just isn't right. Right?

Spermy Smurf
Jul 2, 2004
I dont even know how Double Elimination works, I just wanted to try it.

You coded way too much neat stuff into the site. Gotta try it all!

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Spermy Smurf posted:

And remember, we're testing things, so the dumber the better. Just pretend you're Tunicate when building a fighter.

The Official UN Observer will be monitoring the arena for war crimes.

Spermy Smurf
Jul 2, 2004
Is "Naked Fighter with Slade Helmet" a good idea or a great idea?

Edit: Will it auto-crush my fighter when unpaused?

Frozen_flame
Feb 14, 2012

Press A to Protect Earth!
J. Corbzy is ready to rumble!

Jazzimus Prime
May 16, 2002

The Brothers Autobot
Aaaand just like that half the spots are taken.

I guess more people were still following this than I thought.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
Apparently pikes are too big for dwarves. Sad.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
Landsknechtaur is ready to rumble.

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

onlymarfans.com
PETER GRIFFIN ready to go

I uhh forgot to spend pointa or had none it's really sunny outside

E. There we go

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
Huh. No molemarians or snakepeople.

e: Of course Frozen_Flame has an ant-woman.

Added Space
Jul 13, 2012

Free Markets
Free People

Curse you Hayard-Gunnes!
Made an axedwarf. :effort:

Jazzimus Prime
May 16, 2002

The Brothers Autobot

verbal enema posted:

PETER GRIFFIN ready to go

I uhh forgot to spend pointa or had none it's really sunny outside

E. There we go

You get the points after the fighter joins the tournament, so your fighter's points should be ready to spend now.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
I'm still testing. This is a whole lotta points!

dmboogie
Oct 4, 2013

OH NO is ready to probably scream his name a lot as he realizes how bad i made him

verbal enema
May 23, 2009

onlymarfans.com
Hell yeah gremlins

Frozen_flame
Feb 14, 2012

Press A to Protect Earth!

my dad posted:

Huh. No molemarians or snakepeople.

e: Of course Frozen_Flame has an ant-woman.

Well ideally it would've been an Ant Man to rep my boy Corbyn and hasten the inevitable crushing defeat on 9th June but needs must.

Also ants are pretty socialist.

AJ_Impy
Jun 17, 2007

SWORD OF SMATTAS. CAN YOU NOT HEAR A WORLD CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE? WHEN WILL YOU DELIVER IT?
Yam Slacker
Continuing the 'multiple tiny things in a thing' line of Stranglers.

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Spermy Smurf
Jul 2, 2004

my dad posted:

e: Of course Frozen_Flame has an ant-woman.

Now we need Munki to be a copper-maced dwarf and all will be right in the world.

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