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enraged_camel posted:America still hasn't learned that arming various factions in the Middle East NEVER turns out well. Oh, but the Kurds are the good guys. (Fast forward 20 years to headlines "Kurdish state massacres x minority.")
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Kekekela posted:Interesting convo with two Republican friends today. Main takeaways: They sound like cultureless suburbanite slobs.
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May 30, 2017 21:21
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TyroneGoldstein posted:They sound like cultureless suburbanite slobs. Guilty as charged
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May 30, 2017 21:23
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fsif posted:He says he's okay with the leaks, but JUST THINKS IT'S FUNNY how establishment players aren't calling for the leakers' imprisonment or whatever. It's a weird argument when half of D.C. (Republicans) have been attacking the "leakers" consistently. I guess this is another "dems are bad" point?
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May 30, 2017 21:23
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BarbarianElephant posted:Oh, but the Kurds are the good guys. (Fast forward 20 years to headlines "Kurdish state massacres x minority.") Why'd you save that kid from being brutally murdered? He might grow up to be the Antichrist someday!
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May 30, 2017 21:23
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enraged_camel posted:America still hasn't learned that arming various factions in the Middle East NEVER turns out well. Arming, training and supporting indigenous forces is a massive part of what we do and it's required if you want them to be able to stop the isis of the future. Leaving before the Iraqi forces were ready was obviously a big mistake, for example. I'd love to hear your alternative though. Not only that, you want the locals to be the ones to defeat isis, if we go in balls deep with a poo poo ton of troops that feeds right into isis's "narrative"
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May 30, 2017 21:24
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boner confessor posted:they're intellectually insecure and upset that their ideology isn't respected or regarded as worthy of study. people love to dress up their reflexive hatred as some kind of movement by using jargon and the other trappings of intellectualism - people who aren't that bright do this all the time to convince each other how smart they are. sort of like spending too much on entry level luxury cars or tract mcmansions to convince people how wealthy you are yeah, basically conservatism is a bunch of ideas with no merit whatsoever (tax cuts pay for themselves!), which is why for an ideology supported by elites it's so anti-intellectual, and why it demands equal time for all ideas in universities, no matter how stupid they are
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Sinteres posted:Why'd you save that kid from being brutally murdered? He might grow up to be the Antichrist someday! Except instead of saving anyone, we're trying to give guns to the right kid to murder their abusive family. Then hoping they'll be able to fill in for the dead with no lasting issues.
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boner confessor posted:they're intellectually insecure and upset that their ideology isn't respected or regarded as worthy of study. people love to dress up their reflexive hatred as some kind of movement by using jargon and the other trappings of intellectualism - people who aren't that bright do this all the time to convince each other how smart they are. sort of like spending too much on entry level luxury cars or tract mcmansions to convince people how wealthy you are They're also probably in the media bubble that ignores the fact that Milo and Spencer are not merely "conservatives", they're outright bigots promoting bigotry. They're not even "people promoting dog whistle things and ALSO we have proof that they're bigots", they're flat out preachers of hate - but Fox News doesn't show it that way. It doesn't talk about how Milo thinks women were happier as housewives and that Spencer wants brown people to be dead. It just says "conservatives barred from speaking!!!"
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May 30, 2017 21:25
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Google Butt posted:Arming, training and supporting indigenous forces is a massive part of what we do and it's required if you want them to be able to stop the isis of the future. Has it ever worked, ever? As far as I can see, either the plucky rebels get massacred and horrible people take the arms, or the plucky rebels turn into horrible people after 20 years of fighting a horrible war.
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May 30, 2017 21:25
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repeating posted:Trump friend Fake news; Trump doesn't have any friends
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enraged_camel posted:America still hasn't learned that arming various factions in the Middle East NEVER turns out well. arming the Iraqi Kurds has been a success for the past decade or two that was rather helpful when ISIS crushed the main government's forces
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May 30, 2017 21:26
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Google Butt posted:Arming, training and supporting indigenous forces is a massive part of what we do and it's required if you want them to be able to stop the isis of the future. Leaving before the Iraqi forces were ready was obviously a big mistake, for example. I'd love to hear your alternative though. ISIS of the future? More like ISIS of the past.
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May 30, 2017 21:26
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Sinteres posted:He trips into defending Trump while vociferously denying that he's doing that all the time. I'm done giving him benefit of the doubt. Isn't he the one who argued only Clinton's scandals should be covered and hyped as much as possible, because she was so clearly going to be president and thus needed to be attacked more instead of wasting time with Trump?
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May 30, 2017 21:27
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Starmaker posted:Fake news; Trump doesn't have any friends he's got that newsmax guy who is the only person stupid enough to agree to be quoted by name all the time e:chris ruddy
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May 30, 2017 21:27
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Al Borland Corp. posted:So, I made a comment about Kathy Griffin and then saw this Block them (the list curator) for a few seconds. Literally the only way to do so. You can unblock them w/o getting back on but blocking is it.
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May 30, 2017 21:29
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I'm kind of hoping The Five talks about women only Wonder Woman screenings and we get some Trump tweets out of that. Nah, I'm hoping they start to talk about Farcry 5, where they go after crazy religious milita types. It's made by FRENCH company Ubisoft.
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Google Butt posted:Arming, training and supporting indigenous forces is a massive part of what we do and it's required if you want them to be able to stop the isis of the future. Leaving before the Iraqi forces were ready was obviously a big mistake, for example. I'd love to hear your alternative though. Back in the late 70s and early 80s, America's pretense for arming and funding Islamist groups in Afghanistan was pretty much the same. The result? Al Qaeda was born. The rest is history. Arming militant groups is like adding fuel to the fire in the hopes that it will burn your enemy's face. But when the wind eventually and inevitably changes direction, you get burned, too.
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Conservatives: Don't call Trig retarded Uses retard as insult
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evilweasel posted:arming the Iraqi Kurds has been a success for the past decade or two that was rather helpful when ISIS crushed the main government's forces ISIS was born when America dismantled the secular Iraqi government and replaced it with a Shiite one. The Sunnis got alienated and disenfranchised as a result, and eventually formed ISIS.
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Night10194 posted:Isn't he the one who argued only Clinton's scandals should be covered and hyped as much as possible, because she was so clearly going to be president and thus needed to be attacked more instead of wasting time with Trump? That was pretty much the consensus viewpoint in the media, but he was more open than most about expressing it, yeah.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:So, I made a comment about Kathy Griffin and then saw this Twitter should really get rid of lists or make it so people you don't follow can't add you. The main use of that feature is seemingly for creepy poo poo like this.
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May 30, 2017 21:36
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enraged_camel posted:Back in the late 70s and early 80s, America's pretense for arming and funding Islamist groups in Afghanistan was pretty much the same. This is an overwhelming simplification of a complex issue, go read "The Looming Tower"!
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theflyingorc posted:They're also probably in the media bubble that ignores the fact that Milo and Spencer are not merely "conservatives", they're outright bigots promoting bigotry. Yeah, its really just a "SJWs stifle free speech" with pretty much no regard for who Milo and Spencer actually are. I doubt they have any specific knowledge of either other than Milo's comments that got him shitcanned and Spencer getting punched. FB highlights in other words.
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May 30, 2017 21:37
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enraged_camel posted:Back in the late 70s and early 80s, America's pretense for arming and funding Islamist groups in Afghanistan was pretty much the same. This unsourced quora article by some dude adequately sums up decades of geopolitical issues
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https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/869653973950754817 How viable would this system be if multiple ICBMs were launched at once?
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my bony fealty posted:This is an overwhelming simplification of a complex issue, go read "The Looming Tower"! The Looming Tower mostly talks about the people involved in 9/11. It doesn't cover Al Qaeda's origins and background nearly to the same extent that the post I linked does...
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A lot of them fall for disingenuous slippery slope arguments when it comes to free speech, and being an absolutist about allowing anybody to spout whatever nonsense they want in public forums is somehow easier to understand than the nuance it would take to argue otherwise.
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enraged_camel posted:ISIS was born when America dismantled the secular Iraqi government and replaced it with a Shiite one. The Sunnis got alienated and disenfranchised as a result, and eventually formed ISIS. in addition to being irrelevant, this is so oversimplified that it is essentially wrong
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EwokEntourage posted:This unsourced quora article by some dude adequately sums up decades of geopolitical issues I don't want to turn this thread into the Middle East thread. We can take this there if you want.
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Starmaker posted:Fake news; Trump doesn't have any friends Remember how at the convention, they got someone who had been his friend for decades and the best thing he could say was that one time Trump was a couple minutes late to undercard fight to talk to a security guard who's son was dying of cancer. Like he didn't offer to pay for the treatment or visit the kid, just talked to the dad for a few minutes. And that was the best story about Trump he could think of.
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SeANMcBAY posted:https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/869653973950754817 Viable
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SeANMcBAY posted:https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/869653973950754817 There exists a similar system (that the Israeli Iron Dome tech is based on) for non-ICBM missiles and rockets. It gets about 80% of rockets when multiple ones are fired. If someone decided to launch several at once, then it is almost certain that a couple would get through.
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May 30, 2017 21:42
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SeANMcBAY posted:https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/869653973950754817 The ABM systems we have been working on have (supposedly) been geared towards one-off launches precisely so they would be effective against North Korean missiles but not Russian/Chinese. The (again, supposed) goal is to protect against rogue states that might launch a nuclear weapon but not to end the MAD balance of power and spark a new arms race. Russia and China haven't been buying it, largely because most ways you can destroy a single ICBM can be scaled up to multiple ICBMs much more easily than getting to the point you can destroy a single ICBM. So the official answer will be, not at all. The practical answer is, probably pretty effective if it's effective against one.
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SeANMcBAY posted:https://twitter.com/bnonews/status/869653973950754817 So this isn't like all of the other ones for the past 2 decades where they rigged the entire thing and 80% of the time, the intercept still failed?
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evilweasel posted:in addition to being irrelevant, this is so oversimplified that it is essentially wrong It is oversimplified because like I said I don't want to turn this into the Middle East thread. I stand by my original claim, which is that arming Kurds, or any other group in the Middle East, is incredibly risky. Possibly advantageous in the short term, with potentially devastating consequences in the long term.
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Neeksy posted:A lot of them fall for disingenuous slippery slope arguments when it comes to free speech, and being an absolutist about allowing anybody to spout whatever nonsense they want in public forums is somehow easier to understand than the nuance it would take to argue otherwise. On the flip side, a lot of people don't realize conservatives agree with you that some speech shouldn't be allowed. But because values aren't shared, those lists of speakers/speeches too gross to allow are vastly different.
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enraged_camel posted:It is oversimplified because like I said I don't want to turn this into the Middle East thread. What's the alternative?
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enraged_camel posted:The Looming Tower mostly talks about the people involved in 9/11. It doesn't cover Al Qaeda's origins and background nearly to the same extent that the post I linked does... That's, uh, not true, given that much of the book is a biography of Al-Qaeda's founders and goes into great detail about bin Laden's time in Afghanistan and how he was perceived there (essentially: as a rich kid joke by the "real" mujahideen leaders). But yeah this isn't the place for that discussion.
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