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nimby posted:I didn't notice. Guess the Deiform is going to sink charlescomm the way Charlie sank the temple. Can't pay penalties to a side that doesn't exist
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Rygar201 posted:Can't pay penalties to a side that doesn't exist Deiform Isaac can probably drop the city to level zero, but I think it's still CC because there's no hostile units to contest the claim (even assuming none of the thousands of strategically placed Etsies survive the collapse). Charlie himself is unlikely to die because he's apparently Carnied to live which is why Parson had to be summoned in the first place. Destroying the tower should make a frontal assault with Clowns viable though, assuming they can handle whatever guns remain.
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May 31, 2017 14:14
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Rygar201 posted:Is there any reason to think this is something other than a normal linkup? Ivan's physical body is unharmed so his strings should steal lead to it and Wanda. The lines that look fused to his spine, his last line of becoming something bigger than himself combined with the sudden backstory at the start. Though the signamancy of the link up is definitely the most damning part, no previous link up has looked like that. Yeah, Ivan is gone. He's the Deiform now.
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May 31, 2017 14:21
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Who pays Isaac's upkeep? Seems important.
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It's probably not immediately relevant, but if Deisaac manages to pull in a moneymancer it might just become a non-issue. The amount of juice the dude's got available must be staggering.
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Rygar201 posted:Is there any reason to think this is something other than a normal linkup? Ivan's physical body is unharmed so his strings should steal lead to it and Wanda. Besides the heavily suggestive art, and all the lines about Deisaac's mental presence attempting to consume and obliterate Ivan's personality? nah
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Reene posted:Besides the heavily suggestive art, and all the lines about Deisaac's mental presence attempting to consume and obliterate Ivan's personality? nah tbqh, I skimmed the update on my phone at work. It was readily apparent on a subsequent reading.
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May 31, 2017 15:44
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Rygar201 posted:Who pays Isaac's upkeep? Seems important. At this point I feel like the answer is "whoever Isaac wants to do it."
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May 31, 2017 18:03
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That or he's a suicide freight train just one giant erect middle finger going "I have a turn to settle everything I can"
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Onmi posted:That or he's a suicide freight train just one giant erect middle finger going "I have a turn to settle everything I can" This was what got me asking the question ha
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May 31, 2017 18:30
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Onmi posted:That or he's a suicide freight train just one giant erect middle finger going "I have a turn to settle everything I can" Yeah there's no way this is sustainable so it'll be interesting to see how much damage he can manage to do to Charlie before he just disintegrates completely.
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May 31, 2017 19:20
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Rygar201 posted:Who pays Isaac's upkeep? Seems important. I wonder if linkups change caster upkeep. Alternatively I see them all just go through their own personal stashes of rands to fuel deiform. However I like the concept of "1 turn suicide freight train" more than any of the previous ponderings.
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May 31, 2017 20:24
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Donkringel posted:I wonder if linkups change caster upkeep. I think the problem is that rands are just currency. What you actually need to survive as a free caster is some way to get rations. Which rands are normally good for buying but probably most casters won't want to sell food to the nightmare thing.
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Mniot posted:I think the problem is that rands are just currency. What you actually need to survive as a free caster is some way to get rations. Which rands are normally good for buying but probably most casters won't want to sell food to the nightmare thing. It's not like they get a choice.
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May 31, 2017 21:14
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The 'backer stories' are supposedly canon, and in one of those you see that a single Rand can serve as upkeep for a caster in the MK.
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Mniot posted:I think the problem is that rands are just currency. What you actually need to survive as a free caster is some way to get rations. Which rands are normally good for buying but probably most casters won't want to sell food to the nightmare thing. Yeah, as Ditocoaf pointed out this is expressly not how it works. One rand pays for your upkeep for one turn. Rations would pop as normal, iirc.
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Rygar201 posted:Yeah, as Ditocoaf pointed out this is expressly not how it works. One rand pays for your upkeep for one turn. Rations would pop as normal, iirc. I think you'd have to exchange them with somebody, though. Isn't the whole point of Rands that they don't interact directly with the world's mechanisms, because, if they did, magic could manipulate them?
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Rand Brittain posted:I think you'd have to exchange them with somebody, though. Isn't the whole point of Rands that they don't interact directly with the world's mechanisms, because, if they did, magic could manipulate them? IIRC, no. One rand vanishes, upkeep paid. They're just a known quantity to barter with for barbarian casters. I could be wrong though. I'm sure some official forums sperg has it all laid out someplace with citations.
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Rand Brittain posted:I think you'd have to exchange them with somebody, though. Isn't the whole point of Rands that they don't interact directly with the world's mechanisms, because, if they did, magic could manipulate them? That was the impression I had of them too, until in that one story a caster finds himself unaligned in the Magic kingdom with no upkeep, someone gives him a Rand, and that Rand just straight-up works as his upkeep. It never got explained in more detail than that. I guess they're still immune to Moneymancey, so that's the point of them?
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May 31, 2017 23:42
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Rands pay for upkeep, rations and forage reduce cost of upkeep. Every night the carnymancers pool their forage together for stew to help reduce their upkeep. So conceivably the pooled rands of all those casters could be used by Deiform, unless his upkeep is too high (which is why I was also wondering about links changing costs).
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May 31, 2017 23:58
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The Deiform could unravel on its own next turn. Corpses depop on end of turn, maybe the leftover caster-stuff powering Isaac will depop too.
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The problem is that the Deiform can't take out Charlie, that's something Parson is going to have to do. Unless narrative conventions are going right out the window.
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Superstring posted:The problem is that the Deiform can't take out Charlie, that's something Parson is going to have to do. Unless narrative conventions are going right out the window. It might not want to. It might just want to hurt Charlie like Charlie hurt it. sink Charlescomm, slaughter his armies, break every portal in the MK to work just like his. Deiform might not be able to kill him, but it can make his life suffering.
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Superstring posted:The problem is that the Deiform can't take out Charlie, that's something Parson is going to have to do. Unless narrative conventions are going right out the window. Deiform approaches Parson, gets him into the link and together they kill Charlie and end the comic.
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nimby posted:Deiform approaches Parson, gets him into the link and together they kill Charlie and end the comic. Can he link? He's not officially a caster.
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It's definitely the case that the Deiform can make killing Charlie a lot easier for Parson by shattering his tower and a large portion of his units.
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Even if the Deiform's Isaac body dies it could assimilate any number of people that it could live on through. Ivan might still be part of Gobwin Knob, just with a new personality.
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isndl posted:Can he link? He's not officially a caster. I'd guess he's technically caster enough to link up. He can get into the MK and there's a nonzero chance he can cast spells.
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Kyte posted:Wasn't the scroll only castable because carney? This was theorized, but not state outright anywhere.
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Rygar201 posted:This was theorized, but not state outright anywhere. No, it was. The carnymancy in the scroll is just what allows Parson to cast it.
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Roger is thinking like the GMTTA are still a thing. No Roger, you're just a crazy guy alone on a suicide mission.
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Zoe posted:Roger is thinking like the GMTTA are still a thing. Deiform is still round. Maybe it'll stop Roger as another Deus Ex Cogito.
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nimby posted:Deiform is still round. Maybe it'll stop Roger as another Deus Ex Cogito. If that thing can leave the MK (or last longer than a turn, even) then none of this other stuff going on matters at all in comparison.
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Zoe posted:If that thing can leave the MK (or last longer than a turn, even) then none of this other stuff going on matters at all in comparison. Yeah, the Deiform could become the largest existential threat to erfworld if it's not a temporary entity. Imagine the kind of poo poo it could do if it assimilates one master class of every magic discipline. JuniperCake fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Jun 5, 2017 |
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JuniperCake posted:Yeah, the Deiform could become the largest existential threat to erfworld if it's not a temporary entity. Imagine the kind of poo poo it could do if it assimilates one master class of every magic discipline. I don't think Bedrock Man means well for the world.
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I always wondered if we'd ever top Charlie's megalomania.
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Okay no I get the joke, the deiform essentially wants to be the referee of Erf world. Which is to say the Great minds, compressed into one, are now the GM.
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Caidin posted:Okay no I get the joke, the deiform essentially wants to be the referee of Erf world. ...god drat mother fucker. In turn though he found out that Portals are infinite juice.
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