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Danaru posted:Is it against Knox's Decalogue to kill the detective? Not in words, but I think in spirit. Then again, even Doyle killed off Holmes. Or at least he tried to.
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I'm not sure the detective dying would even be against the spirit. They could always solve the mystery posthumously through notes, tapes, etc.
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Kyrie's an interesting choice here. Just realized that Jessica's eye colour changed at the end. idonotlikepeas posted:My theory of Rudolf and Kyrie as the true murderers gains strength. I will note that in all my planned and considered scenarios, my explanation for Kyrie's call in the fourth episode always ends up lacking. Also Beatrice's final riddle, but that's a different thing. Cyouni fucked around with this message at 16:20 on May 31, 2017 |
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idonotlikepeas posted:My theory of Rudolf and Kyrie as the true murderers gains strength. I really, really hope that's not true. Did Rudolf really have it in him to kill Battler, or allow Kyrie, his real mother, to kill him? What will Ange do when she finds out? She'll lose everything: hope that her family will return, and hope in her family, period. Also, that analogy always makes me think of Titanic. There was plenty of room on that debris, Rose. 
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Should I be reading anything into the fact that Kyrie kept saying "18 years" when Rudolf and Asumu were only married for 12 years? Maybe that Kyrie just today learned something that brought her hell to an end, something concerning Battler's real mother?
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I kinda want to hear Jessica's voice for her last line
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A video is coming next update, with lots of Violence Jessica in it.
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yeah!! god bless.
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ZiegeDame posted:Should I be reading anything into the fact that Kyrie kept saying "18 years" when Rudolf and Asumu were only married for 12 years? Maybe that Kyrie just today learned something that brought her hell to an end, something concerning Battler's real mother? 12 years of marriage + 6 years of Rudolf two-timing them before marriage, maybe?
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Rune Full Moon posted:12 years of marriage + 6 years of Rudolf two-timing them before marriage, maybe? I'm reasonably sure 6 years before the marriage Rudolf was in high school
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ZiegeDame posted:Should I be reading anything into the fact that Kyrie kept saying "18 years" when Rudolf and Asumu were only married for 12 years? Maybe that Kyrie just today learned something that brought her hell to an end, something concerning Battler's real mother? I think the 6 years are post-Asumu—according to Ange's recollection of the diary, Kyrie resented Battler for what he represented. She does a great job of hiding it, though. Also, upon re-reading, whaaaaat is this supposed to mean? Is she seriously talking about Bernkastel? Did that not strike Jessica as a SUPER WEIRD thing to say? Now I'm definitely not too hung up on Jessica not noticing Shkanon. quote:
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"And I'm grateful to my master... for giving me that chance. My 'certain willpower' in not giving up on that man no matter what was answered with a 'miracle'."
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witchcore ricepunk posted:I think the 6 years are post-Asumu—according to Ange's recollection of the diary, Kyrie resented Battler for what he represented. She does a great job of hiding it, though. Certainty is its own miracle
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Rodyle posted:Certainty is its own miracle Probably FabulousVillain's theory only makes sense if that quote is Kyrie talking about Rudolf in like a sex slave way? Not totally unfeasible but eughh
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witchcore ricepunk posted:Also, upon re-reading, whaaaaat is this supposed to mean? Is she seriously talking about Bernkastel? No. She's talking about Lambdadelta. 
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witchcore ricepunk posted:Probably FabulousVillain's theory only makes sense if that quote is Kyrie talking about Rudolf in like a sex slave way? Not totally unfeasible but eughh I thought that quote was about the Witch she referred to back in Episode 3, which she said was herself not unlike the witch Eva made of herself as a child. Or maybe it was Lambdadelta, the Witch of Certainty.
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Well, we'd gotten hints previously that Rudolf was not a great guy but I don't think we'd heard about him running scams. Though I'm confused as to how "party tickets" are a scam - it sounds like he threw a party, and charged people to come, and it was a great party, and where does the scam come in? Also, as far as Rudolf being terrible - we're seeing this through Kyries eyes, and she has her own opinions. What we actually have is a guy who was attracted to a lot of women, and who a lot of women were attracted to, and who slept around a lot, and it sounds like he was very open about this. None of which is a problem. Even with Kyrie and Asumu having kids they both knew about each other. He's not a scumbag until after he got married and kept sleeping with Kyrie. Also come on Jessica, you are being silly. Kyrie was willing to kill to marry a man who she'd loved for years. You are willing to kill for someone you've loved for, uh, days? The game has done a pretty terrible job of selling the Jessica/Kanon relationship, unlike George and Shanon.
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Word, it's not like anything nonconsensual was going on so whatever. Just an extreme lack of chill all around. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Too bad Kyrie never lived to jam out to Brandy & Monica. (She's definitely the Brandy in this situation imo.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va1Y6uAgNJY witchcore ricepunk fucked around with this message at 19:58 on May 31, 2017 |
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I forgot Kyrie mentioned that. I'd mentally marked it down for later rechecking, but other things had taken precedence by the end. Qrr posted:Well, we'd gotten hints previously that Rudolf was not a great guy but I don't think we'd heard about him running scams. Though I'm confused as to how "party tickets" are a scam - it sounds like he threw a party, and charged people to come, and it was a great party, and where does the scam come in? What Rudolf sounds like he was doing monetarily was scalping tickets, and it may not have been his party (parties? sounds like this happened more than once) either. I think Kyrie was mainly referring to the part where Rudolf kept playing them off against each other for his own amusement.
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Cyouni posted:
Scalping is kind of rude but I wouldn't call it a scam. Also, "would make a large scale party successful" sure sounds like they're his parties. And good point, playing them against each other is a jerk move.
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Qrr posted:Scalping is kind of rude but I wouldn't call it a scam. Also, "would make a large scale party successful" sure sounds like they're his parties. From a quick search, apparently there's a law regarding second-hand trading in Japan that you can be arrested for, though I have no idea when that law originated. Possibly also selling double tickets, but it's hard to see how he'd get away with it afterwards. Honestly, the range of things that could be done that'd also be considered borderline scams/illegal is pretty large. Good point, it's definitely more likely to be his parties than other peoples', which might also make it easier for him to get away with whatever he was doing.
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Qrr posted:Though I'm confused as to how "party tickets" are a scam Not really sure, but a quick google search suggests it's about political fundraising parties Well, not necessarily, just that term appears on the Wikipedia page for fundraising parties Actually the more I think about it, it's probably unrelated tiistai fucked around with this message at 21:30 on May 31, 2017 |
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Battler is most definitely Kyrie's son. Also Kyrie and Rudolf likely planned some heinous poo poo for this family conference, and I'm sure that Battler was in some way complicit with it. And yet... Tired Moritz posted:don't kinkshame Kirie agreed.
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witchcore ricepunk posted:Also, upon re-reading, whaaaaat is this supposed to mean? Is she seriously talking about Bernkastel? Did that not strike Jessica as a SUPER WEIRD thing to say? Now I'm definitely not too hung up on Jessica not noticing Shkanon. No. Obviously that's a totally normal thing for a person to say. Nothing weird going on there. Not at all. E: To analyse this a bit further: ProfessorProf posted:
Based on the previous sentence, "that man" is clearly Rudolf. But simply through phrasing, "that man" and "my master" seem like two different people. If Lambda were a real person, I'd say she'd be the obvious choice here, but as she's not... Kinzo? He's big on willpower and chances. CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 23:51 on May 31, 2017 |
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CottonWolf posted:No. Obviously that's a totally normal thing for a person to say. Nothing weird going on there. Not at all. I mean, we're left with no guarantees any of this is actually happening. Remember, by the rules of our Braun tube test, none of this is verified, and we can call it as not having happened. The actual answer would be Bern, given the whole mention of 'miracle'. Technically Kinzo is viable and the most likely result if we accept this as real, but just like George v. EVA, not a thing except for the end result. Speaking of that, I notice that the end result of Eva's death was one that left no markings. Poison/drugs, perhaps, or faking it, in the same vein as the first twilight in the fifth episode?
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Cyouni posted:I mean, we're left with no guarantees any of this is actually happening. Remember, by the rules of our Braun tube test, none of this is verified, and we can call it as not having happened. R07 deliberately throws in a 'certain' and 'miracle' in there, so it'd be impossible to tell if it was Bern or Lambda, if Witches were involved. I'd wait till they find the corpse to be sure there are no markings, but yeah, drugs very much seem on the cards given the first twilight from the 4th episode. What with everyone passing out then appearing elsewhere.
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CottonWolf posted:If Lambda were a real person, I'd say she'd be the obvious choice here, but as she's not... You say this as if we're not in a scene where Jessica is about to use her magically-enhanced fists to punch a hole through Kyrie. I wanna root for Kyrie here but it'd kinda spoil the drama of the contest is Jessica was one of the first victims. Also none of the cousins have ever died in the first Twilight which might be significant.
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CottonWolf posted:R07 deliberately throws in a 'certain' and 'miracle' in there, so it'd be impossible to tell if it was Bern or Lambda, if Witches were involved. I'd wait till they find the corpse to be sure there are no markings, but yeah, drugs very much seem on the cards given the first twilight from the 4th episode. What with everyone passing out then appearing elsewhere. Rechecking the Tanabata tip, the 'willpower to certainly succeed' is definitely in there, so up in the air, I suppose. Reminder that the only point of contact that was actually confirmed from that group in the 4th episode was Kyrie, who specifically mentioned magic going on. Krauss is also theoretically possible, but given how his section mentions Kinzo being the culprit, I'm kind of leery about that. The others being Shannon/Kanon/Nanjo makes that hard to confirm as well. ZiegeDame posted:You say this as if we're not in a scene where Jessica is about to use her magically-enhanced fists to punch a hole through Kyrie. It would be highly amusing if Kyrie went all 3rd episode again and whoops there goes one of the contest participants. I do notice that Eva/Kyrie/Shannon/Kanon/Jessica/George would make for quite a possible first twilight. Also I assume you're not counting the 5th game which had George and Jessica dead (but later on from when they were shown).
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ZiegeDame posted:I'm reasonably sure 6 years before the marriage Rudolf was in high school No because Ruldolf is around 40.
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MonsterEnvy posted:No because Ruldolf is around 40. 40-18-6=16 So Rudolf could be as old as 42 and still not possibly know Kyrie/Asumu six years prior to Battler being born.
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ZiegeDame posted:40-18-6=16 Point is Rudolf was definitely not in high school when all this poo poo went down. I said it before, but I'll say it again: he knew what he was doing and age doesn't excuse his despicable actions. Even his daughter is disgusted by him.
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lotus circle posted:I'm pretty certain the "six years" is reference to Battler leaving the family for that amount of time, as others have stated. Kyrie's hell was 18 years long because you have to account for the time Rudolf and Asumu were married, alongside the time Battler vanished from the family (meaning Asumu's influence still lingered, as Rudolf's family was incomplete because of this.) There's really no reference to how long Kyrie and Rudolf exactly knew each other before Rudolf began two-timing them simultaneously. Well we also have a specific note that the 18th year was when Asumu died. "Asumu's death had not been a murder of any sort. However, Kyrie had often cursed her and hoped for her death, and finally, on the 18th year, she had built up the determination to kill her with her own hands. And then, she actually... got herself a knife to do the deed with... That was when the miracle had occurred..."
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Cyouni posted:Well we also have a specific note that the 18th year was when Asumu died. Looks like they're playing up the "childhood friends" angle in a very horrific way. Imagine being strung along for that long. This has myself asking, though, has Rudolf actually settled down after getting married to Kyrie, or does he have another mistress on-hand like with Asumu?
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Qrr posted:Well, we'd gotten hints previously that Rudolf was not a great guy but I don't think we'd heard about him running scams. Though I'm confused as to how "party tickets" are a scam - it sounds like he threw a party, and charged people to come, and it was a great party, and where does the scam come in? my guess is he artificially creates a shortage of tickets, jacking up their prices.
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Rune Full Moon posted:iirc, we don't have an official age for Rudolf beyond "older than Rosa (who is 35-36) and younger than Eva (???)," correct? The oldest Rosa can possibly be is 34, as she was still in middle school (grades 7-9) when she met Beatrice in 1967. e: and judging by her 1967-sprite, I'd guess she's closer to 33 or younger ZiegeDame fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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