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Cerv posted:You can tell the average age of this thread is under 30. I'm not under 30. It's more I understand why the IRA came about even if I don't totally condone their actions. And now it should bit of history should be behind us. Really how long should it be bought up? Oh those bombings that used to happen. Bad times. The gently caress is the point of that?
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Oberleutnant posted:And faster too! That's efficiency for you. Just goes to prove yet again that enthusiastic private enterprise cannot substitute for government backed solutions.
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May 31, 2017 17:50
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It's really ok for anyone who actually cares about human lives and not images in the media to say that corb's ira connections don't matter. If he carried out every killing himself he'd still have murdered less people than Iain duncan smith. So people calling the bullshit might not just be young and ignorant and might actually think it's better we focus on things we can actually do.
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It might not quite be doing up a statue of Robin Hood but my local UKIP candidate does fine work making you yell with rage and confusion in just one sentence. Even if Corbyn wasn't in charge I think I'd vote Labour just to vote against this guy. Also Theresa May was over the road from me today campaigning; the factory she visited was next to two schools, a supermarket and a hospital. No surprises she made drat sure no one in the area had a clue she was coming!
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May 31, 2017 17:57
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Small government, low tax, monarchist. Like, yes libertarians are feudalists but you're not supposed to put it in the same sentence.
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May 31, 2017 17:58
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OwlFancier posted:Small government, low tax, monarchist. beat me to it. But dont forget libertarian!
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May 31, 2017 17:59
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gardiner is seriously good at this it's legitimately impressive - he makes gove look like a complete buffoon of course, he also can't counter the attack directly, and i don't know how well said attack realistically works - it could be effective, though to my eyes gove just comes across as a fanatical loon trying to avoid the issues in this debate
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May 31, 2017 18:00
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May 31, 2017 18:01
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lol https://twitter.com/clivebull/status/869954326848036864 E: Even the betting companies are taking the piss now https://twitter.com/Betfair/status/869962485587099648
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May 31, 2017 18:05
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Corbyn has played an absolute loving blinder by suddenly deciding to show up tonight. The six o'clock news top story is Corbyn literally calling her out at a press conference and then May being questioned about whether she's scared. And looking scared. This is probably second only to the manifesto leak in terms of behind the scenes politicking. If it works.
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May 31, 2017 18:07
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Tell me if this sounds really loving dumb, but do people in England, Wales and Scotland really care that much about the IRA in 2017?
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May 31, 2017 18:10
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jabby posted:Corbyn has played an absolute loving blinder by suddenly deciding to show up tonight. The six o'clock news top story is Corbyn literally calling her out at a press conference and then May being questioned about whether she's scared. And looking scared. Even the top comments on the bbc article (usually a hotbed of kippers) are all calling her out for making GBS threads herself.
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May 31, 2017 18:11
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Spangly A posted:It's really ok for anyone who actually cares about human lives and not images in the media to say that corb's ira connections don't matter. AS MUCH. If you kill 2 people and I kill 20, only some weird moral absolutionist would argue that the 2 doesn't matter at all. The IRA and its legacy does matter. It doesn't matter any less because Tory cuts kill more. It's level of mattering is static and in proportion to the deaths the issue caused, because victims do not exist on a scale of "Better than Ian Brady, worse than 9/11".
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Rakosi posted:AS MUCH. If you kill 2 people and I kill 20, only some weird moral absolutionist would argue that the 2 doesn't matter at all. The IRA and its legacy does matter. It doesn't matter any less because Tory cuts kill more. It's level of mattering is static and in proportion to the deaths the issue caused, because victims do not exist on a scale of "Better than Ian Brady, worse than 9/11". How many men has Jeremy Corbyn, or the actions of Jeremy Corbyn, killed?
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May 31, 2017 18:13
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coffeetable posted:More general question: does anyone else here do the donate-a-fixed-fraction-of-your-income thing, a la givingwhatwecan? I didn't hear of it until recently, but if you're well-off and socialist it's a great way to make up for all those taxes you're not paying. I use Give As You Earn and increase my donations whenever I get a raise. Makes me feel better about ignoring all the chuggers on the street
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May 31, 2017 18:13
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Rakosi posted:AS MUCH. If you kill 2 people and I kill 20, only some weird moral absolutionist would argue that the 2 doesn't matter at all. The IRA and its legacy does matter. It doesn't matter any less because Tory cuts kill more. It's level of mattering is static and in proportion to the deaths the issue caused, because victims do not exist on a scale of "Better than Ian Brady, worse than 9/11". I completely agree that jeremy corbyn is not as murderous as any possible conservative party
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May 31, 2017 18:14
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:How many men has Jeremy Corbyn, or the actions of Jeremy Corbyn, killed? As an MP he is implicated in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed by a state which he implicitly supports and legitimises by the act of sitting in parliament, regardless of his personal vote on any particular issue. 
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May 31, 2017 18:16
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:How many men has Jeremy Corbyn, or the actions of Jeremy Corbyn, killed? Well he absolutely destroyed Theresa May earlier today
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Oberleutnant posted:As an MP he is implicated in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed by a state which he implicitly supports and legitimises by the act of sitting in parliament, regardless of his personal vote on any particular issue. Those deaths are on the hands of Capitalism, under which there is no ethical consumption  Lt. Danger posted:Well he absolutely destroyed Theresa May earlier today 
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May 31, 2017 18:18
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:How many men has Jeremy Corbyn, or the actions of Jeremy Corbyn, killed? None, hopefully. I am arguing only that the IRA doesn't matter less simply because it killed less people than X. That is an extremely cynical argument. Spangly A posted:corb's ira connections don't matter. If he carried out every killing himself he'd still have murdered less people than Iain duncan smith. This is the worst possible way to make the point you were trying to make.
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May 31, 2017 18:19
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Mo Mowlam had loads of meetings with the IRA, clearly she was a terrorist sympathiser who should be vilified. :/
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May 31, 2017 18:20
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Rakosi posted:None, hopefully. I am arguing only that the IRA doesn't matter less simply because it killed less people than X. That is an extremely cynical argument. Cynical or not it's accurate. I can't appeal to any sort of political understanding/better nature to people who either don't know or don't care that they're complaining about people who support atrocities while voting for governments that commit them.
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May 31, 2017 18:21
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Holy hell that's more than I dared dream of from the BBC  https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/869965758515863552
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May 31, 2017 18:21
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I am particularly relieved that this debate masterstroke has completely evaporated Corbyn's radio interview blunder. It's completely forgotten and nobody gives a poo poo
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May 31, 2017 18:23
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TheRat posted:Holy hell that's more than I dared dream of from the BBC
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May 31, 2017 18:27
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Totally late, but niche posts must be answered!forkboy84 posted:I remember their singer running as a Labour candidate in the old Charles Kennedy seat, because you'd see his things on lampposts going to Ross County games. Think that would have been in 1997? Yep, it was 1997! I went to Donnie's campaign launch in Dingwall - my first ever proper political meeting. (Proper as in not running around as a small child brought along in lieu of getting a babysitter and running around crashing into party hacks) I asked to go and got a rather incredulous response, as befits an 8 year old promising to willingly sit through several hours of politics talk My first experience of being all enthused and convinced about something in politics, and then the inevitable disappointment. Rather set the tone for the rest. (I don't know that he was actually expected to win really, since I think the family spent more time over Inverness way campaigning for Dave Stewart who did end up winning, but then lost out to lovely Beaker from the Muppets a few years later) Autonomous Monster posted:Is this Pete Wishart? I think Acaila said he was a bit of a poo poo. Haven't ever come across Wishart personally, so this wasn't me. I only know that he winds a lot of folk up on twitter.
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May 31, 2017 18:28
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TheRat posted:Holy hell that's more than I dared dream of from the BBC No surprise really. The BBC didn't want a rerun of ITVs lovely debate, especially if they were going to have to big it up earlier in the day.
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May 31, 2017 18:29
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learnincurve posted:Mo Mowlam had loads of meetings with the IRA, clearly she was a terrorist sympathiser who should be vilified. I think it's reasonable to make a distinction between her meetings - which were talks to bring about a negotiated peace settlement - and Corbyn's - which were to offer support to the IRA and its aim of a united Ireland.
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May 31, 2017 18:30
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Oberleutnant posted:beat me to it. But dont forget libertarian! Figures you'd find one in UKIP.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/europe-postpone-crunch-brexit-talks-10536780 The EU has suggested they'd be happy to adjust the timetable of the Brexit negotiations if Corbyn wins the election, to give his team time to get up to speed. HAHAHAHA
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May 31, 2017 18:34
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Pissflaps posted:I think it's reasonable to make a distinction between her meetings - which were talks to bring about a negotiated peace settlement - and Corbyn's - which were to offer support to the IRA and its aim of a united Ireland. What is wrong with an united Ireland?
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May 31, 2017 18:35
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The Tories keep banging on about the IRA and the Falklands and the Winter of Discontent etc etc because it's supposed to trigger the older voters who were already adults 40 years ago when all that stuff was actually happening: it's 70's and 80's Greatest Hits propaganda for the oldies. I'm surprised they've not brought up loving Rhodesia yet, 'cos there'll be a segment of pensioners still all nostalgic about THAT and I'm sure Corbyn opposed Rhodesia too.
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jabby posted:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/europe-postpone-crunch-brexit-talks-10536780  Regarde Aduck posted:What is wrong with an united Ireland?
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jabby posted:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/europe-postpone-crunch-brexit-talks-10536780 I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the EU negotiators want Corbyn to win just so they don't have to deal with May for a year or so. jBrereton posted:North doesn't want it. South also doesn't want it either afaik.
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TheRat posted:Holy hell that's more than I dared dream of from the BBC Indeed, "seven way debate between conservatives" is not the kind of subversive description I would expect my TV taxes to be paying for
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May 31, 2017 18:41
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Blast from the past. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/diane-abbott-poll-gap-12-months-jeremy-corbyn-labour-a7468091.html Dianne Abbott is good.
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Regarde Aduck posted:What is wrong with an united Ireland? Do you think that would have automatically brought peace to Ireland?
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Gonzo McFee posted:Blast from the past. He better hurry up and do it there's only a week to go.
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Acaila posted:Haven't ever come across Wishart personally, so this wasn't me. I only know that he winds a lot of folk up on twitter. Yeah, I think I had you confused with some toblerone in my exec. No idea how that happened, sorry. Regarding the terribleness of SLab: if anyone is living in Edinburgh North & Leith, your local candidate is actually not a Blairite shitweasel, he is Gordon Munro, all round good egg, committed socialist, Corbyn supporter and long term serving councillor for "the Worker's Republic of Leith". If there's anyone in Scottish Labour who deserves your vote, it's him.
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