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Leal
Oct 2, 2009

Rainuwastaken posted:

No, they just made it terrible. Every target past the first has a stacking -20% potency, up to a cap of -80%.


Orcs and Ostriches posted:

Bane still exists, but: first target takes full damage. Second target takes -20% damage. Third is -40, fourth is -60, and all the rest are -80.

Inline with other aoe spells, but they're -10 to -50.

.... Welp, time to have ast be my full time healer!

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Augus
Mar 9, 2015


edit: reading words and numbers is hard

Augus fucked around with this message at 19:09 on May 31, 2017

Rainuwastaken
Oct 30, 2012

Another blue ribbon for Hecarim.
The biggest issue with RDM's white magic is probably the mana cost, which looks to be somewhere between "humongous" and "outrageous". I don't think they have any way to replenish their own MP outside of I Can't Believe It's Not Shroud of Saints.

Shy
Mar 20, 2010

I think I'm going to play 60-70 as a whm (suck it! (I don't have anything else))

Demicol
Nov 8, 2009

SonicRulez posted:

His voice sounds familiar. Is this where GameTrailers ended up?

Yeah, made up of ex-GT staff I think.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

Stormgale posted:

issue with the Storm blood Media dump: MrHappy videos keep getting recommended at me

You can tell youtube to stop recommending a specific channel! I used it for this exact situation.

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist

Augus posted:

btw the expansion is still like 3 months away and there will probably be plenty of rebalancing going on in the time

It's 2 weeks away.

But yeah, tentative numbers, yadda yadda.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Augus posted:

btw the expansion is still like 3 months away

Uh.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


Orcs and Ostriches posted:

It's 2 weeks away.

But yeah, tentative numbers, yadda yadda.

oh poo poo I've been looking a ARR's release date this entire time :doh:

EDIT: Oh man I am so hyped to be a samurai in a couple weeks

Stormgale
Feb 27, 2010

Fister Roboto posted:

You can tell youtube to stop recommending a specific channel! I used it for this exact situation.

How?

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
Welp, look like it's time to retire sch and proceed to holyspam unless some of those numbers change :rip:

Brony Hunter
Dec 27, 2012

Motherfucking Mannis

They'll bend the knee or I'll destroy them
delete monk delete whm

strong bird
May 12, 2009

Augus posted:

there will probably be plenty of rebalancing going on in the time

I don't think so, Tim.

slev
Apr 6, 2009

Monk players can just play the new monk in samurai

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world


slev posted:

Monk players can just play the new monk in samurai

i will

and i'll loving enjoy it

my jaw dropped when I first saw the hanzo steel

Metallia
Sep 17, 2014

Rainuwastaken posted:

The biggest issue with RDM's white magic is probably the mana cost, which looks to be somewhere between "humongous" and "outrageous". I don't think they have any way to replenish their own MP outside of I Can't Believe It's Not Shroud of Saints.

brd and mch have no cost mp restoration now so you're more liable to get it if you need it

i think mostly valcure will be useful for those circumstances where someone is just a little too low to survive a boss lb or healing yourself during a boss jump or such. being able to chainspell resurrection is cool in theory but one of those things that seems like it wouldn't be super useful in practice. who knows though! theoretically it could allow you to use swiftcast for rotational purposes more freely

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011
does anyone have a list of the warrior changes?

nuru
Oct 10, 2012

Did Holy get nerfed too, or did only Scholars take an aoe hit?

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist

A 50S RAYGUN posted:

does anyone have a list of the warrior changes?

Not in writing but this video goes through all the job tooltips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW7R7QM5X18

nuru posted:

Did Holy get nerfed too, or did only Scholars take an aoe hit?

Holy got its nerf in Heavensward.

Gizmo Chicken
Feb 17, 2011

Yep.

Augus posted:

Is there an overview of SAM mechanics I can look at anywhere? I am preparing myself for anime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGyWVo91HBE
This seems like a decent overview? Has some gameplay in it.
Numbers may change blah blah etc.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
Did they change the level for Gravity for AST?

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

Orcs and Ostriches posted:

Holy got its nerf in Heavensward.

Note that it's still really good.

I for one can't wait for massive pulls with 0 MP Cost Holy Spam.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Mordiceius posted:

Did they change the level for Gravity for AST?

No.

Gizmo Chicken
Feb 17, 2011

Yep.
I'm really not thrilled about the MNK changes, but luckily SAM is everything I ever dreamed of so it's fine.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


Gizmo Chicken posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGyWVo91HBE
This seems like a decent overview? Has some gameplay in it.
Numbers may change blah blah etc.

Nice, looks fun

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

The new boss theme sounds great. :allears:

trem
Sep 17, 2009
I saw some ninja turtles, so I am sufficiently hyped.

boy are my arms tired
May 10, 2012

Ham Wrangler

Dr Pepper posted:

The new boss theme sounds great. :allears:

link?

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...


Oh that Samurai gameplay video has a boss fight.

boy are my arms tired
May 10, 2012

Ham Wrangler

Dr Pepper posted:

Oh that Samurai gameplay video has a boss fight.

oh cool, thanks

A 50S RAYGUN
Aug 22, 2011
Infuriates cooldown goes down with inner beast spenders, that's crazy. i was worried about the warrior changes but I can lose the storm's path mitigation and fracture, which was becoming more and more damage-neutral anyway.

Rap Game Goku
Apr 2, 2008

Word to your moms, I came to drop spirit bombs


Augus posted:

EDIT: Oh man I am so hyped to be a samurai in a couple weeks

Same. Way more excited for these new classes than I was for HW's. Now to decide between a "traditional" SAM glamour like their AF or just do a tuxedo.

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


Josuke Higashikata posted:

Get ready to be really pissed off at all four of your RDM DPS who won't ever res you.

Dr Pepper posted:

Well this answers a question I had about Red Mage.

Something tells me any RDM brought to a raid group will be the dedicated Reviver.

Also, looking at Valcure it seems to be decent healing and works with doublecast, so you could do something like spot-heal a party member then switch back to a damage spell in the same GCD.

Do we know if it can be used in combat? I assumed it wouldn't be since it doesn't have a trait that enables it like WHM and AST have, but the SMN/SCH rez doesn't have that trait and can be used in combat?

nuru
Oct 10, 2012

From a DPS perspective, SCH dps changes from HW to SB:

- Bane takes a beating, doubling the potency loss per target
- Miasma 2 goes away (not a good spell, but good potency per gcd on big packs)
- Bio 1 goes away but its potency is not rolled into Bio 2
+ Ruin 2 and Broil gain 20 potency
? Broil 2 is 230 potency
? Shadow Flare looks to remain the same, unlike SMN's?

Couple these with the loss of passive 10% damage from Cleric Stance. The bane / change coupled with fewer dots to spread seems pretty heavy for aoe, whereas the ruin 2 / broil potency change makes up only half of bio's damage lost. Did I miss a detail?

I'm wondering if they're factoring in the opportunity cost of no Cleric Stance as a passive buff to damage since we can toss out more casual Broils.

nuru fucked around with this message at 19:37 on May 31, 2017

Rainuwastaken
Oct 30, 2012

Another blue ribbon for Hecarim.
The revive trait is gone. Also it'd have to be usable in combat if you're able to instant-cast it with the dualcast trait, since y'know....

Metallia
Sep 17, 2014

RDM's resurrection is a completely different spell with the incombat utility baked into it, same as the arcanist one. I believe this is correct anyway

kojei
Feb 12, 2008

Rainuwastaken posted:

Also it'd have to be usable in combat if you're able to instant-cast it with the dualcast trait, since y'know....

vercure

Farg
Nov 19, 2013
i need a clean version of it so i can determine if there are still callbacks to the main leitmotif

Orcs and Ostriches
Aug 26, 2010


The Great Twist
Non combat resses are basically pointless outside of potd. Granted, RDM will be a potd wizard for a while, but I doubt that's what it'll be.

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Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


It'd be intensely pointless if they couldn't use it in combat

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