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Skippy McPants posted:Ehhh, The CLPL falls off hard outside 650m, whereas the the CERLL is still doing relevant damage well outside 1km. If we're talking mid-range, trade focused laser vomit, I agree that you want LPLs to go with your ERMLs, but dedicated ERLL sniper is a valid role for a selection of mechs. I've had enough 1400+ damage games in my Hellbringer to convince me that the weapon is at least decent, if situational. It's got the same "phantom damage" issue that LRMs have. At 650+m with a weapon that burns as long as an ERLL you are spreading damage all over the enemy mech. I routinely basically ignore ERLL snipers if I"m moving position to position - if you are moving and waggle your torso even a little bit it gets spread out ALL over you. Your 1400+ damage matches were probably more like 800 damage put in areas that it did any good. That's still a good match, but you can do the same and expose yourself less using ERPPCs. The HBR is also a great hill humper with its mobility and high mounts. Its whole gimmick with long range sniping is to pop off some ppcs and then be reversing downhill before they even hit. Do it right and the enemy gets hardly any time to scratch at your armor. I've won a lot of long range duels against other HBRs trying to stare at me with ERLLs.
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I haven't used cERLLs in so long I kind of forgot they were in the game lol Just do LPLs if you suck at PPCs, like I do. Or - you know - practice with PPCs and get good at them, if you want to be an overachiever.
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Cyrano4747 posted:It's got the same "phantom damage" issue that LRMs have. At 650+m with a weapon that burns as long as an ERLL you are spreading damage all over the enemy mech. I routinely basically ignore ERLL snipers if I"m moving position to position - if you are moving and waggle your torso even a little bit it gets spread out ALL over you. Your 1400+ damage matches were probably more like 800 damage put in areas that it did any good. That's still a good match, but you can do the same and expose yourself less using ERPPCs. What's a HBR?
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Agrajag posted:What's a HBR? Hellbringer.
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Agrajag posted:What's a HBR? Hellbringer. Good ECM laser vomit heavy with 0 baseline quirks.
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Agrajag posted:Whoa, could you post a screenshot of your build? Stop taking screenshots of builds and use this instead.
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Agrajag posted:Whoa, could you post a screenshot of your build? I want to try that out since my laser build doesn't really take advantage of its speed. If they are building it like a cheetah, you just buy every omnipod that has a lot of laser hard points, run as many small pulse lasers as you can and as many heat sinks as you can. Fire the weapons in groups to avoid heat penalties. If you can, strip a lot of armor from one arm for more heat sinks.
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Agrajag posted:Whoa, could you post a screenshot of your build? I want to try that out since my laser build doesn't really take advantage of its speed. It's just fat arctic cheetah . 7 SPLs generates ghost heat but the amount isn't much so you can still alpha 3 times on a hot map before going back down to shooting 6 at a time. On ice maps you can alpha constantly. With the survival tree and prime armor quirks it has 101 ct armor and 62 on either side torso. The base twist speed is pretty good even though the actual arc is garbage, so whichever side is lower or you lose first you use as the dead side and you can last an incredibly long time as the bell of the brawl. You just play it as the doorkicker for a group of brawlers and eat damage. If people ignore you because you're a linebacker then you walk behind them and strip their backs in one shot or just core them. Atlatl fucked around with this message at 08:57 on May 31, 2017 |
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Even with us being a bunch of goobers WoL placed in the Tukayyid boards. Number 13 for Liao units, and Liao did well over-all https://mwomercs.com/news/2017/05/1832-battle-tukayyid-3-unit-statistics Edit: we also had 15 players show up for the event, which should give you an idea of how active we are.
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What my buddy and i did with our primes was 5xsrm6s. Artemis is too heavy. First match, 4 kills and 500 damage. I like it.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:What my buddy and i did with our primes was 5xsrm6s. Artemis is too heavy. it's amazing with 2erppc. I think I had to buy a different toros though. The toros mounts are hilariously high.
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I've already got a cataphract erppc sniper, it works really well. Not sure working on another erppc mech with high hardpoints is worth it.
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Isn't it a bit of a waste to use a fast heavy for PPC sniping? You could do that in a Shadowcat nearly as well. Or in a slower heavy that can snipe with more firepower. I'm using mine for laser vomit, i think it plays to its strengths pretty well. Engage into midrange, fire two alphas, disengage at 100 kmh and cool down. Makes for some great trades against heavies and assaults of all kinds, it only kind of sucks against medium brawlers.
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The high mounts and good accel / development make it great at popping in and out of cover. Isn't a waste if you're working effectively.
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I tried the LBK with 2 ER PPC and honestly... I don't really rate it. I usually use my Nova-A with double ER PPCs which is far better- it's not as fast, but it's still zippy, and has the advantage of jumpjets which means you can poptart. I also use the Adder-Prime with a nearly-stock loadout of 2 ER PPCs and a lot of heatsinks, and it also feels a lot better than the Linebacker (despite being 30 tons lighter) because it can still move like a light and has PPC heat gen quirks. Using a mech as heavy, tanky, and fast as the LBK feels like a waste when a mech 30 tons lighter does the same loadout better.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Even with us being a bunch of goobers WoL placed in the Tukayyid boards. Number 13 for Liao units, and Liao did well over-all How the hell did we play over 700 games?
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Each player counts as a 'game.' A 12 man drop counts as 12 games, a win with that group is 12 wins and a loss is 12 losses.
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Great Beer posted:How the hell did we play over 700 games? that win rate is PL/HHoD levels :-O
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Atlatl posted:It's just fat arctic cheetah . 7 SPLs generates ghost heat but the amount isn't much so you can still alpha 3 times on a hot map before going back down to shooting 6 at a time. On ice maps you can alpha constantly. With the survival tree and prime armor quirks it has 101 ct armor and 62 on either side torso. The base twist speed is pretty good even though the actual arc is garbage, so whichever side is lower or you lose first you use as the dead side and you can last an incredibly long time as the bell of the brawl. O M G It's so fun playing the Linebacker this way. In a drop where there are lights for me to follow, and they do hit and runs type stuff, this thing is sooo much fun! Are there any recommendations of light mechs I should look into? I know I saw some goons running the urbanmech with a poo poo load of machine guns I think?
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Wonder if i can make 4 is erppcs work on anything Works well on the Warhawk with the good heat bonuses. The C I think?
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Wonder if i can make 4 is erppcs work on anything Way too hot. The awesome can do 4 normal ppcs well, but 4 erppcs is not worth it.
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Commoners posted:Way too hot. The awesome can do 4 normal ppcs well, but 4 erppcs is not worth it. Agreed. You can do 2x ERPPCs, 2x LPL on the Warhawk or the MAD-IIC (better in every way), and that's pretty good. 4x ERPPCs is way, way too hot. Edit: also if you can't hold a clan ERLL steady at long range lower your sensitivity lol. Y'all are fighting garbage players if they scatter all over at 650+. 1200+ I can see it, but at about 800-900+m ERLL out trade everything except ERPPCs. Slab Squatthrust fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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I run 4 ERPPC Warhawks all the time without issue. It's ultra hot, yea, but it's not unmanageable at all. The LPL build is better, but I have more fun with the PPC build.
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The Gate posted:Agreed. You can do 2x ERPPCs, 2x LPL on the Warhawk or the MAD-IIC (better in every way), and that's pretty good. 4x ERPPCs is way, way too hot. It's not an issue of not holding steady at extreme ranges, it's an issue that people can twist their mechs and either outright deadside 80% of your damage or distribute it evenly across their mech for a negligible net damage. Then there's the issue of fighting at extreme ranges, where you're being a huge buddy fucker by not being in a range will people will bother shooting at you because it isn't worth it, so they're just going to be focusing their fire on your teammates by default, and if there is an opportunity to push you won't be there for it because you're sitting 900m+ off in the distance. There are almost no positions in the game that have unavoidable open firing lanes that give the CERLLs an advantage over ERPPCs, ERLLs, or CLPLs, because the players boating those can just use terrain to close in on your position and then shoot you inside of their favorable range bracket and trade with you heavily in their favor. ERPPCs can fire and then start twisting to knock your damage off while pinpointing against you, and CLPLs and ERLLs will be able to finish their burn time and then twist off the rest of yours that you have to hold on them. The ERLL grashopper became one of the FW favored mechs because it could burn lasers for almost half the time that CERLLs had to, so they could dump damage and then jump and twist and would win trades against CERLLs, and they could push out nearly 1.5x damage with that lesser burn time at the same heat. They're lovely weapons and only work against potato players that you could do pretty much anything against.
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Cease to Hope posted:Stop taking screenshots of builds and use this instead. As long as he's using [timg] tags, who cares.
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Is there a gallery of Camo skins anywhere? I saw one I really liked, but it's not for sale and I'm wondering where it comes from.
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I think I've reached peak urbanmech. It's only tears and reminiscing of better times from here on.
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The Saddest Robot posted:I think I've reached peak urbanmech. It's only tears and reminiscing of better times from here on. I don't see an Ace of Spades in that Urbie. 
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Artificer posted:I don't see an Ace of Spades in that Urbie. Death Star or go home!
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Wonder if i can make 4 is erppcs work on anything I have a 4 erppc cicada. It's bad. Great Beer posted:How the hell did we play over 700 games? There were a shitload of scouting matches going on for a while. That probably helped inflate our game count since you can play like four scouting matches in the time it takes to play a regular invasion match.
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Omar_Comin posted:As long as he's using [timg] tags, who cares. It's much more convenient, both for him and for anyone offering him advice. He's new and probably didn't know about Smurfy.
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Beet Wagon posted:I have a 4 erppc cicada. It's bad. Yes spoiler, I agree. That's not how you make a 40 PPFLD Cicada.
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aniviron posted:Yes spoiler, I agree. That's not how you make a 40 PPFLD Cicada. I have one of those too 
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Well I just made an awesome 8Q that can alpha its 4 erppcs without overheating on river city while moving. No arm armor though so there's a time limit on that ability. I gave it mobility quirks but am wondering about exploiting its structure bonuses (+25 ct +18 sts)
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I really recommend sticking to regular PPCs on the 8Q. That changes the quad shot alpha from "Gimmick I can do sometimes on some maps" to "Viable trading strategy, and doable on every map." I also highly recommend sticking all four PPCs in the torsi, but that's preference I guess.
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But then you get hosed by lights right. I dunno ill try it
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Surprise Giraffe posted:But then you get hosed by lights right. I dunno ill try it If a light gets close to your awesome you're hosed regardless. The key is to stay next to your buddies. On my 8Q I do 2 PPC 2 ERPPC, all in the torso. That extra bit of range can be useful, it gives you two weapons that can tell people who get too close to gently caress off, and it breaks things up naturally into two groups for easy heat management.
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Battletech beta keys should start going out today. Check your backer kit.
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