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MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Rune Full Moon posted:

iirc, we don't have an official age for Rudolf beyond "older than Rosa (who is 35-36) and younger than Eva (???)," correct?

Rosa something like 30 to 35, Rudolf is stated to be older then Rosa but it's implied there is a fairly big gap in their ages. He is generally assumed to be 40 to 45 with Kyrie being the same Age. Eva and Kruass are both around 50 and only have a year or two between their ages.

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Alopex
May 31, 2012

This is the sleeve I have chosen.

bman in 2288 posted:

Looks like they're playing up the "childhood friends" angle in a very horrific way. Imagine being strung along for that long.

This has myself asking, though, has Rudolf actually settled down after getting married to Kyrie, or does he have another mistress on-hand like with Asumu?

Qrr
Aug 14, 2015


Robindaybird posted:

my guess is he artificially creates a shortage of tickets, jacking up their prices.

I don't really understand. You mean, he sells fewer tickets than he hypothetically could so the price is higher? That doesn't really sound like a scam. I mean, Nintendo loves underproducing their consoles but it's not a scam.

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica
"Well, as you know, this is a lonely island without anything but the Ushiromiya mansion on it. When Rosa and I were little brats, on stormy nights, we got so scared by the sound of trees rustling in the direction of the forest. We had this crazy delusion that something weird might be looking out at us from between those trees. It's only natural for a brat to think of stuff like that."
"...But when Rosa and I complained about it, some people figured it was more than a brat's imagination. Isn't that right, Aneki?"

As far as I can remember this is the closest thing to describing their age difference. I doubt Rudolf is over 10 years older than Rosa.

BurningStone
Jun 3, 2011

ZiegeDame posted:

The oldest Rosa can possibly be is 34, as she was still in middle school (grades 7-9) when she met Beatrice in 1967.

Something I picked up on a re-read: Ronove gives the 1967 date for the conversation between Beatrice and Kinzo in the hidden mansion. We're given none for Rosa's meeting with Beatrice, other than Rosa's vague "about 20 years ago". Exactly 20 years ago would be 1966, which clearly couldn't be right, so it was probably 1967 or not much after that, but no date is given in red.

Edit: which is why I now suspect Battler is Beatrice's son, and cliff baby. No real evidence for the first, other than "drama." I laid out the second in a previous post.

BurningStone fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Jun 1, 2017

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Eva is 50

witchcore ricepunk
Jul 6, 2003

The Golden Witch
Who Solved the Epitaph


A Probability of 1/2,578,917

BurningStone posted:

No real evidence for the first, other than "drama."

Oof, getting flashbacks to growing up with my sister. :lol:

Fabulousvillain
May 2, 2015
I've been replaying the first game while following along here and came up with dumb new theory to add to the pile: Kanon was killed before Battler returned to the island, I thought of this one because just like Kinzo he always had his corpse found the same way (Kinzo was always burned up, Kanon was always pierced through the chest) except in Episode 2 where neither of them were found. Sorry if someone already came up with this and I'd forgotten.

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica

Fabulousvillain posted:

I've been replaying the first game while following along here and came up with dumb new theory to add to the pile: Kanon was killed before Battler returned to the island, I thought of this one because just like Kinzo he always had his corpse found the same way (Kinzo was always burned up, Kanon was always pierced through the chest) except in Episode 2 where neither of them were found. Sorry if someone already came up with this and I'd forgotten.

There's plenty of Kanon-related red that would seem to contradict that blue like "Kanon is dead. Among the five in Kyrie's group, he was the first to die. In short, he was the ninth victim." from EP4

Fabulousvillain
May 2, 2015

tiistai posted:

There's plenty of Kanon-related red that would seem to contradict that blue like "Kanon is dead. Among the five in Kyrie's group, he was the first to die. In short, he was the ninth victim." from EP4

I guess it may be a stretch to say that the ninth victim does not necessarily mean ninth person of murdered, but "They would never mistakenly think any other person was Kanon!" (referencing episode 2) is a little more tricky. Really depends on if it ties into that moment in episode 2 only, as in they are identifying a corpse, or if it applies to Kanon at all times.

Cyouni
Sep 30, 2014

without love it cannot be seen

tiistai posted:

There's plenty of Kanon-related red that would seem to contradict that blue like "Kanon is dead. Among the five in Kyrie's group, he was the first to die. In short, he was the ninth victim." from EP4

I'd personally choose At 1:00 AM, Eva sealed Genji's waiting room, and that seal was broken by Kanon and Kumasawa in the morning when the crime was discovered.


As part of my reread, I'm still wondering why there's a break in this line:
"Let's go back to Jessica's room. When Jessica's corpse was discovered, only Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo were in Jessica's room. Whoops, the corpse of Jessica is also included. Therefore, both in the case of Jessica's room and the case in this servants' room, no humans exist that you were not aware of. No one is hiding."
I'm wondering what purpose that break in the red serves. Does that mean that Jessica actually isn't dead at that point?

Cyouni fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Jun 2, 2017

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica

Cyouni posted:

As part of my reread, I'm still wondering why there's a break in this line:
"Let's go back to Jessica's room. When Jessica's corpse was discovered, only Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo were in Jessica's room. Whoops, the corpse of Jessica is also included. Therefore, both in the case of Jessica's room and the case in this servants' room, no humans exist that you were not aware of. No one is hiding."
I'm wondering what purpose that break in the red serves. Does that mean that Jessica actually isn't dead at that point?

It's probably meant to fool you into thinking exactly that :witch:

Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?


"You mean you could sense it...?"
"That, plus the lie you told in the beginning."
"...A lie?"
"Come now. If you had come from the guesthouse to get a book from your room, you wouldn't have come through this hallway in that direction. Of the seven reasons you might have had for lying, which chessboard theory led me to, this was the worst-case scenario."

Telling a hasty lie to Kyrie would only put her on her guard. If Jessica hadn't told that lie, her surprise attack would have succeeded.



:siren:Video: Jessica VS Kyrie:siren:

BGM: Prison Strip

"Why? You were planning to kill me from the beginning."
"It didn't matter who it was."
"How horrible."
"It's what you said that gave me the boost I needed. Thanks a lot..."
"...Wha...?!"

Kyrie dodged the punch, placed her hand against that fist, and slammed it against the wall. Normally, Jessica would have hurt her hand on the wall and rolled around clutching at it in pain... However, Jessica's fist had left what looked like a meter-wide crater in the wall.



"...Incredible. I see that you are your father's daughter. Have you taken up boxing too...?"

Impossible... Jessica is barehanded. She isn't holding any sort of weapon at all...!

"...Please don't resist, Oba-san. Just one strike to the head... I won't let you feel a thing."

Kyrie tried to look confident, but she couldn't hide her confusion at this unreal destructive force. If that punch had hit, her head probably would have split open like Jessica had said, killing her without any pain.

"Here I go..."
"...!!!"

If Kyrie's kick off the ground and leap backward had been an instant slower, her gut would probably have been pulverized. Though she had avoided it by a hair, Jessica's left body blow was followed by a terrible tornado-like gust of wind, which blew Kyrie back.



This Jessica looked like the normal Jessica, but something was different...! It wasn't human, and common sense didn't apply to it! This is probably... some kind of nightmare...!! Kyrie slowly stood up. Then, she looked at Jessica, noticed the several meters between them... and realized just how far that blast of wind had sent her flying.

"...Feel free to hate me. However, just like you, I cannot back down. I can't let... my love... end half-baked either."
"...What are you talking about...? Hey, what are you saying?! What on Earth is going on?! Someone, tell meeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!"

The scene around Jessica seemed to bend like a heat wave. It seemed to be enshrouding her fists. And, it seemed as though something like a red magic circle had appeared beneath her feet. It looked just like a western demon standing amidst the flames of hell.



Each time Jessica muttered, her fists were surrounded by a pulsating, sinister, red light. Those fists, which were even smoking, surely represented... the iron hammers of hell wielded by demons...

"G, goodbye!! This is just a nightmare...!!"

Kyrie dashed away with lightning speed. Yes. Right now, that was her best option. Fortunately, she was smart enough to realize that pinching her cheek wasn't the best way to wake up from this nightmare.

"...Ronove."

When Jessica muttered once more, a blood-red magical barrier cut across the corridor. Kyrie slammed into it hard and realized that her path of escape had been cut off.

"Gah... M, make this stop... I don't understand...!! This is... a nightmare... It's a nightmare... Let me wake up... quickly..."
"...Yes, this is a nightmare... If you want, I'll wake you up right now. Just one strike... Don't move..."

Wielding her flames, Jessica slowly stepped forward towards her... Each time her foot lifted off the floor... a boiling steam hung around her footprint... This was... a true nightmare... Kyrie clutched her head in her hands, shaking it over and over again...

"It's a nightmare, right...? This is... a nightmare, isn't it...? Please, tell me it is...!!"
"Yeah, it's a nightmare."
"It is, right...? It's a nightmare, right...? Ah, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!"
"I acknowledge it. This is a nightmare."
"I do too!! I acknowledge that this is a nightmare!! S, so please-"
"I'll wake you up, just one strike. Wwaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!"



BGM: Miragecoordinator



Jessica's neck was twisted at an odd angle, and she staggered backwards, her eyes white, as though she didn't have a clue what had just happened. In her forehead... a demon stake was buried at an angle. It pulled itself out of her, spun around, then became Leviathan and landed. The hole left behind in Jessica's head spewed blood.

"Leviathan of Envy, right here...!"
"If this is inside a nightmare anyway, why not have the friend that shows up in my nightmares? My friend from the hell of envy. Thanks for showing up just in the nick of time."
"...It's too early to thank me. She's... not down yet...!!"
"...Gah... gah..."

Even though she had taken a deep gouge to the top of the head, Jessica just stood there, convulsing and white-eyed, and didn't fall over. The blood stopped pouring out of her forehead, and her blank, doll-like eyes returned. Then, she slowly pressed her own hand against the wound in her forehead. There was a *sizzle*, as though she had pressed a hot iron against it. It was easy to imagine that she was doing this to seal up the wound. If Kyrie didn't escape now, there would never be another chance...!

"Can I defeat her...?!"
"No such luck. She's immortal, thanks to a contract with one of the great demons...!"



"Yes, love is magnificent! Those with our blessings cannot be killed!!"



"Ronove-sama is also a great demon. There's nothing I can do...!"
"Can we escape from the window?"
"That was blocked, by Ronove-sama's barrier a while ago...!"
"Incredible... so has she sold her soul to demons for the sake of love?"
"How could she make so many contracts with great demons...! Aah, I'm so jealous...!!"



In response to these words, this time her entire body pulsated with a red light. She had upgraded herself with a defensive power that would prevent Leviathan's attacks from working again...

"What is she talking about...?"
"...Self-augmentation. It's a kind of enchantment. Right now, she has enough defensive power to prevent me from piercing her, and she even has the power to reflect the damage back upon the attacker! She's no longer human. She's a monster...!!"
"Oh, so that's all. Then not much has changed."
"How can you say that?"
"Just like in the very beginning, we still have no chance of winning...!!"
"...That hurt. But it won't... work again."

Jessica slowly lifted the hand that had been covering her forehead... and there was no longer any hole there. The hall was cut off by barriers on both sides, and even the windows were sealed. There was no way out.

"Is the door to this room sealed?"
"No, it's just locked. But it's just a normal room. It does have a window, but that's already been sealed. In other words, that's a closed room, and a coffin for us...!"
"A coffin is just what I need. Unlock it. Aah, I'm jealous, why are you the only one who can unlock it?!!!"

Leviathan's stake flew about at high speeds, ramming itself into the keyhole to that room. The tip of the stake had become a key. As soon as it was unlocked, the door flew open. Both of them fell into the room and quickly locked it.



"Even if you lock it, she can just smash through it with one punch!! You've just put the lid on your own coffin!!"
"However, if she wants to send us a killing blow here inside this coffin, she'll have to take the lid off first!"
"...?"

With dim eyes, Jessica tilted her head upon hearing Kyrie's words.

"...What are you talking about...? How will such a small room... be able to protect you, Aunt Kyrie...?"
"This room may be a closed room. It may leave us with no method of escape. However, even you can't break into this room. That's what a closed room is!"
"...What are you talking about...? How does this tiny room... with its tiny door, make you think you can escape me...?"

Jessica wearily looked between her own burning fists and the door with a confused expression on her face. Then, slowly, she sent that pulsating, red light to her fists... She repeatedly enchanted her fists to give them the destructive power for the killing blow.

"...I'll smash this door to bits..."
"If you think you can, give it a try."
"K, Kyrieeeeeee...!!"

After sealing the door and calmly saying those words, Kyrie placed a single index finger on the door. Jessica slowly... raised her fire-wreathed demon's fists...

"...So long, Aunt Kyrie..."
"Kyrieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!! ...?!?!"
"...Oh..."

Jessica's fists slammed into the door in slow motion. It was like the decisive scene in a movie was being acted out. However, this was no act. Jessica's fists really were... slowing down as though they were being sucked in... like a spoon sinks through a jar of honey. That punch... was no longer a punch. It was no more than a knock.



:siren:BGM: Rog Limitation:siren:

"...Envy..."
"I crawled through the hell of envy for 18 years because of my arrogance and naivety in love. So I envy you. You're going to remember my warning, succeed in love, and walk a beautiful life, right...?"
"...Hah..."
"...Aah, I envy you. You'll get to live through the most beautiful time in a woman's life... for a full 18 years longer than I did. Aah, I envy you so much...!!"



She could barely knock, much less smash the door...!

"...Speed upgrade. Instantaneous upgrade. Speed of sound upgrade."
"It's useless, girl."
"...Smash it...!!!!"

With full speed upgrades, Jessica's fist moved at the speed of sound, 1225 kilometers per hour. However, how long had Jessica been in envy to gain that speed? She had started to envy George and Shannon's relationship about two years ago?

2x365=730 days, 730x24=17520 hours. However, she wasn't envious all the time. It only happened when Shannon started going on about George. With Shannon's shift on about 3 days of the week, ÷7x3. And it wasn't as though she would go on about George all day long. Her fond words for him would only leave a mark on Jessica for about an hour, right? So only one 24th of each day. 17520÷7x3÷24=312 (Removing the fractional part)

The number of hours that Kyrie had been jealous was 157680. In other words, this wasn't even 0.2% of the time that Kyrie had been jealous. Even 1225 kilometers per hour, the speed of sound, becomes only 2.45 kilometers per hour in the 1/500 world.

"...Understand? You're lacking in both love and jealousy."
"...!!!"

Even if she increased the speed of her fist, in Kyrie's world, Jessica couldn't make it any faster than a walking child. Jessica ground her teeth, her fist still pressed against the door. If someone could have seen this from both sides of the door, it would have looked as though Kyrie was holding it shut with a single finger...

"Way to go, Kyrie...!!!"



"Ah, Beatrice's definition of a closed room."
"...What the hell...?"
"At this rate, this closed room will be troublesome indeed. It is impossible for a human to carry out a closed room murder. Only magic can do that. Until you truly understand magic, you will not be able to crush it."
"Jessica-chan can't corner me any further...! As time passes, the relatives will eventually realize that I haven't returned, and they'll start searching the mansion. And then, you will be observed. Both witches and magic disappear when they're observed. The nightmare is already over, girl!!!"
"...D, drat... it..."
"Ooh?! I can't believe Jessica dropped out all of a sudden!!"
"Oh, please give it your all! Do it for your beloved Kanon!!"



"I revise that. There isn't even any need to wait for time to pass. After all, there's an internal phone line right here. Of course, the line hasn't been cut."
"...I'll just... pick up this receiver!! This is... my... checkmate!!!"



BGM: None

"...Oh. It is effective."
"...Permeation upgrade. Attack transmission, indirect attack power upgrade."
"Huh..."

Jessica's fist, which was pressed against the door, glowed red... and then white-hot...



BGM: Kuina

However, Jessica's 'murder' extended within the 'closed room'... Through the crack in the door, through the keyhole... burst the flames of hell.

Jessica couldn't see what was happening inside the room. However, even here, on the other side of the door, she could tell that the flames of hell had swallowed the entire room.



Kyrie's smoldering death throes could be heard from across the door. Jessica clearly heard as Kyrie danced a dance of death amidst the hellfire, fell to her knees... and slumped over to the floor. Slowly, Jessica tore her burning fist away from the door.

"...If you love the hell of envy so much, then burn. Burn in the flames of envy... for all time. There are probably some things that can be learned from envy. However, it's nothing to be praised, and it's no one's duty. It seems you were too proud after all, Aunt Kyrie."



BGM: None

"I'll let you take care of the mess. I'd hate for her corpse to be burnt to a crisp when it's finally found. Do you think you could clean it up...?"
"As you wish, Milady."

Ronove transformed into a gold butterfly and entered Krauss's study through the keyhole. Then, he had to cross his arms and think... about how he should even start cleaning up Kyrie's unrecognizable corpse and this room that had ended up as a burning hell...

"...Haaah... haah..."

Jessica finally let out the breath that she had been holding down in her chest... Her normal human glint finally returned to her eyes... And then, she couldn't help but shudder at what she had done, even if it had been just a trial on the game board for the sake of her love...





BGM: Waltz Op. 34

"..."

George welcomed Jessica with a crisp applause. Beato timidly tried to join him, but Jessica yelled at her and she stopped.

"...It's just something that happened on the game board. There's no need to look so sad about it."
"I know that logically!! But still, how am I supposed to just accept it emotionally?!!"
"...Milady-"



"...Milady..."

As Jessica started to sob, Kanon held her quietly. And, he realized that he would have to carry on the determination she had shown him...

"You didn't make any mistake. And it also isn't a mistake to keep your human heart and be sad. I just happen to be a bit more of a stoic when it comes to that sort of thing."
"...Not everyone can match up to George-sama's level. But, in any event, you have completed your trial, Milady. Well done. I admire the strength of your determination."
"Hmm, I see. Both George and Jessica, have splendidly succeeded just the same. Very impressive, Jessica! That 'closed room murder' just now was wonderful enough to fascinate even a witch like myself."

Jessica had used 'magic' to kill Kyrie, who had holed up inside a closed room. In that instant, Jessica had 'constructed' a closed room murder, had it acknowledged by the demons, and raised it to the level of magic...

"The trials for the two of you have been completed!!"
"So then, who will take the next challenge?!"
"Will it be Beatrice-sama?!"
"No, no, it might be Shannon!"
"No, this has to be Kanon's time to shine!"



"...Nn-"
"What witch would hesitate at committing murder on the game board? Even excess shyness can kill love."
"..."
"Alright!! Who will-"
"Carry out the next murder of love?!"
"..."
"..."
"...Nn-"

The three who remained looked at each other. If none of the others raised their hands in the next few seconds, they would raise their own hand. All three thought this at the same time. So, they all raised their hands at the same time.



Quinn2win fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jun 2, 2017

Cyouni
Sep 30, 2014

without love it cannot be seen
Man that last scene is really pushing Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice.

Despite all the amusing magic, what we have in the end is an unburnt Kyrie inside an unburnt room. Thematically, the appropriate method of death would be monoxide poisoning, but I doubt that's going to come up as a thing. We're going to need to see more about that after it's been 'cleaned up'.

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

These last couple of scenes just haven't played at all for me, because I just don't buy Jessica/Kanon as a relationship. I mean, other people have pointed it out, but the game hasn't managed to sell it at all, so Jessica turning into a magical robot and killing people loses all weight.

But Rog Limitation being full-on synth JRPG boss battle music makes up for it.

Cyouni posted:

Despite all the amusing magic, what we have in the end is an unburnt Kyrie inside an unburnt room. Thematically, the appropriate method of death would be monoxide poisoning, but I doubt that's going to come up as a thing. We're going to need to see more about that after it's been 'cleaned up'.

Yeah, literally anything could have killed her at this point.

CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jun 2, 2017

Fabulousvillain
May 2, 2015

CottonWolf posted:

But Rog Limitation being full-on synth JRPG boss battle music makes up for it.

It sounds more like something from a fighting game to me, I mean it probably is used in a fighting game anyway.

That last scene is the biggest push for Shannon/Kanon/Beato since the beginning of Episode 2, you know the boring-est part.

Fabulousvillain fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jun 2, 2017

tiistai
Nov 1, 2012

Solo Melodica


Random Jessica sprite change, Rog-Limitation and math magic

What a great scene

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
I still want to believe in the Jessica=Beatrice theory.

Dr Pepper
Feb 4, 2012

Don't like it? well...

Tired Moritz posted:

I still want to believe in the Jessica=Beatrice theory.

Battler saw Jessica and Beatrice in the same room at the end of Episode 1.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
yeah but they're both blonde girls.

I believe it so it's true.

Graylien
Aug 12, 2013
I wonder if Leviathan in this case is meant to represent the weapon Kiryie was going to use to kill Asumu, she did say she'd brought one, right? More likely it's meant to be representing the emotional state, but it'd be pretty cool if she still carried the knife with her.

Cyouni
Sep 30, 2014

without love it cannot be seen
Were they ever going to clean up that wall-crater, or is that a sign of something else having happened?

ProfessorProf posted:

2x365=730 days, 730x24=17520 hours. However, she wasn't envious all the time. It only happened when Shannon started going on about George. With Shannon's shift on about 3 days of the week, รท7x3. And it wasn't as though she would go on about George all day long. Her fond words for him would only leave a mark on Jessica for about an hour, right? So only one 24th of each day. 17520รท7x3รท24=312 (Removing the fractional part)

When going up to relisten to Rog Limitation, I noticed this. What's wrong with ÷?

Quinn2win
Nov 9, 2011

Foolish child of man...
After reading all this,
do you still not understand?
I have no idea. Should be fixed now.

Qrr
Aug 14, 2015


Cyouni posted:

Man that last scene is really pushing Shannon/Kanon/Beatrice.

Despite all the amusing magic, what we have in the end is an unburnt Kyrie inside an unburnt room. Thematically, the appropriate method of death would be monoxide poisoning, but I doubt that's going to come up as a thing. We're going to need to see more about that after it's been 'cleaned up'.

I'm suspicious of it because it's being pushed so hard.

Also, Kyrie is in Krauss' study which apparently should have been locked. Though it seems like this closed room is trivially solvable with a master key, since she just locked it and it can clearly be locked and unlocked from outside.

Also, I think I see how we're going to get 6 bodies for the first twilight, since each half of each relationship has to kill. Except that Battler doesn't reciprocate this Beato's feelings and piece Battler doesn't know anything about her. Though on the other hand it says the ones they loved had already shown their determination. Maybe Batttler is "killing" Kinzo and it counts?


Also also, the meta levels have gotten confusing again. Are we seeing George and Jessica as non-pieces for the first time? We've seen meta levels interact before but we haven't seen random Rokkenjimans acknowledging the board before. Though it's less "non-pieces" and more "pieces one level up"".

witchcore ricepunk
Jul 6, 2003

The Golden Witch
Who Solved the Epitaph


A Probability of 1/2,578,917


This upsets me

POOL IS CLOSED
Jul 14, 2011

I'm just exploding with mackerel. This is the aji wo kutta of my discontent.
Pillbug

Shkannontrice? They're like Cerberus. A three headed murderer.... maybe.

Fabulousvillain
May 2, 2015

POOL IS CLOSED posted:

Shkannontrice? They're like Cerberus. A three headed murderer.... maybe.

Beatrice made Battler fight Kinzo turned to a dragon, maybe Battler will make Erika fight one of those.

Poltergrift
Feb 16, 2014



"When I grow up, I'm gonna be a proper swordsman. One with clothes."
Much like boxing, envy in Umineko is an extremely exact science.

Qrr
Aug 14, 2015


Poltergrift posted:

Much like boxing, envy in Umineko is an extremely exact science.

Frankly, I think they really overestimate the amount of jealousy that Jessica had. Kyrie was feeling jealous because the man she loved was with another woman. Jessica was feeling jealous because someone else had a better relationship than she did, but it wasn't interfering with her relationship at the time (unless Kanon = Shanon and she knew that, but Kyrie wouldn't when doing the math). One of those is a much stronger jealousy than the other. Also, I wouldn't really expect Shanon to talk to Jessica about the relationship much at all anyway.

Also, there weren't nearly enough lose flags. Lose flags are the purest form of math.

Falconer
Dec 7, 2003

Did you know, I was THE MOON once!

Yes! You see, one night it turned out the moon had been STOLEN!

The animal people asked ME to take its place as I am so WISE and BRILLIANT!!
So far each stage of The Dating Game has involved someone getting killed. At the rate things are going one of these lovebirds will have to prove their dedication by offing a little girl. By the time that rolls around Erika might be involved given that her 'marriage' to Battler-san has to be set up somehow.

I figure that going a step or three beyond challenging Maria's views on magic, to the point that Maria may believe that she literally has nothing left to live for, is possible for the mistress of intellectual assault, Furudo Erika.

EagerSleeper
Feb 3, 2010

by R. Guyovich
I can't help but theorize the reason why Jessica couldn't break down the door Kyrie was behind is because in reality, Krauss was inside asleep. After all it's his bedroom. Jessica couldn't risk waking anybody up and being caught mid-murder.

Now how did Kyrie wind up dying after all in the non-magical world? Good question. Maybe Krauss woke up, Kyrie tried to tell him that Jessica tried to kill her, and Krauss decides he is insulted and finishes the job?

It's early to say, but let's see how the next round of murders go.

Cyouni
Sep 30, 2014

without love it cannot be seen

EagerSleeper posted:

I can't help but theorize the reason why Jessica couldn't break down the door Kyrie was behind is because in reality, Krauss was inside asleep. After all it's his bedroom. Jessica couldn't risk waking anybody up and being caught mid-murder.

Now how did Kyrie wind up dying after all in the non-magical world? Good question. Maybe Krauss woke up, Kyrie tried to tell him that Jessica tried to kill her, and Krauss decides he is insulted and finishes the job?

It's early to say, but let's see how the next round of murders go.

His study, not his bedroom. So more like his workspace and where he has chats with Not-Alan-Greenspan.

My bets are that despite how this shows everything (and similar to how episode 3 has Magical Girl Eva in two places at once), anything related to it is suspect, so we can't trust even the characters we saw as being there remotely being related. George may have had nothing to do with the murder of Eva, and Jessica might not have even seen Kyrie around that time.

Graylien
Aug 12, 2013
In truth all the board game talk is literal and the Ushiromiyas just have weird ideas about how Dungeons and Dragons is meant to be played.

EagerSleeper
Feb 3, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Cyouni posted:

His study, not his bedroom. So more like his workspace and where he has chats with Not-Alan-Greenspan.

My bets are that despite how this shows everything (and similar to how episode 3 has Magical Girl Eva in two places at once), anything related to it is suspect, so we can't trust even the characters we saw as being there remotely being related. George may have had nothing to do with the murder of Eva, and Jessica might not have even seen Kyrie around that time.



I don't know if the art can be trusted, because there is a bed there.

Alopex
May 31, 2012

This is the sleeve I have chosen.
Desks shaped like beds are the future of office furnishing

ZiegeDame
Aug 21, 2005

YUKIMURAAAA!
Kinzo also has a bed in his study. Sometimes you just gotta stay up late working until you pass out.

witchcore ricepunk
Jul 6, 2003

The Golden Witch
Who Solved the Epitaph


A Probability of 1/2,578,917
Beds everywhere! It's like the Ushiromiya mansion was made by an 11-year-old playing The Sims.

lotus circle
Dec 25, 2012

Jushure Iburu
So don't worry

witchcore ricepunk posted:

Beds everywhere! It's like the Ushiromiya mansion was made by an 11-year-old playing The Sims.
Now I'm imagining Maria playing the Sims, and Erika bossily telling her that she's a moron for adding beds into study rooms.

Qrr
Aug 14, 2015


Alopex posted:

Desks shaped like beds are the future of office furnishing

Krauss invested quite a lot in this. The company had a fantastic pitch, and he's expecting it to pay off any day now.

Alternatively, it doesn't really matter whether it's his office or his bedroom, either way it means that the only keys will be master keys and his keys. But since master keys are trivial for a murderer to have access to that doesn't mean much either.

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Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
I would love a bunk bed that has a desk underneath it.

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