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Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

why do hillfolk keep bringing those up?

because defending the Secretary of State maintaining a private email server to conduct official business on for the purpose of subverting the freedom of information act as well as any sort of public oversight is a left wing value now

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pushpins
Sep 11, 2006


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Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Episode 33 of The Discourse Collective is talking about Hillary's comeback, and they brought up the fact that nobody knows why Hillary wanted to run for president in the first place. Has anyone even asked her? Now would be the time.

Only way to ensure she will not be prosecuted for her crimes, especially the murder of Vince Foster.

Mister Fister
May 17, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
KILL-GORE


I love the smell of dead Palestinians in the morning.
You know, one time we had Gaza bombed for 26 days
(and counting!)

Rand alPaul posted:

A Bad Dem cited this as evidence she has a personality and humor.

Probably written by an intern and approved by 5 lawyers before it was posted.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



hillary's tweets are a trumped-up trickle down

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Joementum posted:

people in glass houses shouldn't throw glass

seems like that wouldnt actually be much of a problem as long as you swept it up afterwards

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
Living in a glass house is some kind of gaudy trumpian idea of luxury. People who live in glass houses should have them smashed.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
i love sketchy hillary!

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Al! posted:

seems like that wouldnt actually be much of a problem as long as you swept it up afterwards

good luck seeing the shards when ur floor is made of glass

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Condiv posted:

isn't it funny how bernie never went on huge rants about how his loss was everyone else's fault. he just got to work trying to help dems recover

i really wish the dem party would treat him better :(

A lot of people were doing that for him to be fair

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
i gotta say, hitlery is ki d of winning me back here with this refusing to apologize or take responsibility thing.......... thats a real winners attitude like TRUMP

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Has there already been a Hillary/Trump-themed porn because if so they jumped the gun a little bit

They should have waited until "use me like an app" was a line they could use

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
we are in a temporal loop

wedgie deliverer
Oct 2, 2010

Does anyone have the link to an article that tells the story about how Hillary told Huma Abedin to marry Anthony Weiner? I'm remember reading that but can't find it now. Or was that some fake news poo poo?

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

hi liter posted:

Does anyone have the link to an article that tells the story about how Hillary told Huma Abedin to marry Anthony Weiner? I'm remember reading that but can't find it now. Or was that some fake news poo poo?

Think it's the same boat as the pisstape and Cameron skullfucking a decapitated pigs head.

Justus
Apr 18, 2006

...
covfefe? pfft...bqhatevwr

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
http://theweek.com/articles/702218/why-are-people-still-losing-minds-over-hillary

quote:

What is different about Hillary Clinton is the rampant misogyny still being directed at her, even now; the palpable disgust at her re-emergence; the demand that she get out of the way; the call for her to accept total responsibility for her loss without even acknowledging outside factors like the Russian disinformation campaign, the Comey letter, or GOP voter ID laws that cost her Wisconsin.

Gore, who managed to lose (okay, sort of lose) an election despite being the sitting vice president in an administration with 65 percent approval, blamed a hostile media, the Supreme Court’s absurd one-off decision to halt the proceedings in Florida, and the butterfly ballots. In 2007, Evgenia Peretz of Vanity Fair described him thusly: “He is the Bono of the environment, the Cassandra of Iraq, the star of an Oscar-winning film, and a nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize. To the amusement of his kids, some people now actually consider him cool.” Gore reportedly got paid at least $175,000 per speech after he won the Nobel Peace Prize. He got divorced. And yet, in 2009, he had a 58-37 approval spread. This is the man whose campaign mistakes inflicted eight years of calamitous misrule on the country. If he ever apologized, I must have missed it.

Kerry never accepted one iota of responsibility for becoming the second consecutive Democrat to lose an election to George W. Bush. Years later, as detailed in this New Yorker profile, he clung to a ludicrous conspiracy theory and nurtured “the suspicion that in certain states, particularly Ohio, where the Electoral College count hinged, proxies for Bush had rigged many voting machines.” He blamed his campaign manager, Bob Shrum. He blamed the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth, that pack of lying opportunists who slimed Kerry’s war record. (Side note: Swift Boater Jerome Corsi now works for InfoWars and just got White House press credentials. Yay!). What he did not do was cop to any of his own mistakes. He went back to the Senate, where no one demanded that he give up his seat for a younger politician. The final poll taken about John Kerry while he was Obama’s secretary of state gave him a 10-point positive spread in his approval rating. Gandhi he is not, but it is safe to say that America has forgiven John Kerry for his sins.

In October 2009, just one year after his crushing loss to Obama, McCain was regarded favorably by 54 percent of respondents, remained a press darling, and never disavowed his choice to make the wilderness wastrel Sarah Palin his running mate, a decision that by one estimate cost him 2 million votes. Had the Great Recession not struck during the campaign, Palin may well have been remembered as the key to his election loss. McCain was within striking distance of Obama before an embarrassing series of interviews revealed Palin’s political ignorance and the September 2008 economic meltdown then put the race decisively out of reach. In an interview days after the election, McCain blamed the national political climate and stood by Palin. He failed to list a single mistake his campaign had made. He said he “slept like a baby.” Today he remains a curmudgeonly favorite despite not lifting a finger to hold President Trump accountable.

hot take: we haven't done enough to yell at gore and kerry

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
isnt Bono the Bono of the environment

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Why wasn't Twitter mad about Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004? :smug:

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
i was pretty mad at Gore and Kerry too tbh

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

Ace of Baes posted:

Why wasn't Twitter mad about Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004? :smug:

thanks @jack for inventing progressives in tyool 2006

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008


I'm in

(gore and kerry also didn't still have cults of personality six months after losing)

Zikan
Feb 29, 2004

https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/870302633063587840

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
please dont taint SBAHJ with Suck Zone epistemes

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

Gore tried to do something halfway decent after his failed run, Kerry could have used some more hate, but politics wasn't anywhere near as connected as it is 15 years later.

Also, neither went on a speaking tour to spell out how them losing was everyone else's fault.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



how come nobody ever went after gore and kerry for their secret goldman sachs speeches?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
gore was an idiot that couldn't win his own drat state and then everyone blamed ralph nader for him losing to the (then) stupidest person to run for president

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



the author raises a good point though that hillary has plenty of time to rehab her image if she starts doing things people like instead of complaining about how we lost her the election

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
whats hilarious about the nader hate is that pat buchanon probably stole more votes than him and has actually admitted as such

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Shear Modulus posted:

the author raises a good point though that hillary has plenty of time to rehab her image if she starts doing things people like instead of complaining about how we lost her the election

you kno what, i just have this feeling it wouldnt really matter either way

paranoid randroid
Mar 4, 2007
Ralph Nader's candidacy in retrospect really underscores how dogshit useless Jill Stein is. Nader was filling stadiums with people who were willing to pay to listen to him, whereas Jill Stein had to bilk people into donating money to pay for a "recount" just to keep herself in fresh J/O crystals

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

Raskolnikov38 posted:

whats hilarious about the nader hate is that pat buchanon probably stole more votes than him and has actually admitted as such

the guy whose campaign platform was to replace the DoD with flying yogis got enough votes in Florida that year that it could have tipped the other way if he wasn't on the ballot

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

Raskolnikov38 posted:

gore was an idiot that couldn't win his own drat state and then everyone blamed ralph nader for him losing to the (then) stupidest person to run for president

:yeah:

The lesson we should have taken from 2000 was "don't run robotic insiders just because they are associated with a popular outgoing administration and have a lot of rich friends"

the lesson we DID take from 2000 was "demonize third-party voters"

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ

paranoid randroid posted:

Ralph Nader's candidacy in retrospect really underscores how dogshit useless Jill Stein is. Nader was filling stadiums with people who were willing to pay to listen to him, whereas Jill Stein had to bilk people into donating money to pay for a "recount" just to keep herself in fresh J/O crystals

plus RATM never made a music video that was a Jill Stein ad

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

MizPiz posted:

Gore tried to do something halfway decent after his failed run, Kerry could have used some more hate, but politics wasn't anywhere near as connected as it is 15 years later.

Also, neither went on a speaking tour to spell out how them losing was everyone else's fault.

kerry ran an OK campaign and was a really boring candidate but as far as i can tell he just kinda won a primary and then lost and was like well ok and that was that (his reaction to swiftboating was his biggest weakness in the campaign from what i saw?)

gore ran a dumb as nails campaign but overall seems like a solid dude.

neither candidate tried to hardcore shut down progressive ideas or declared inevitability.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Joementum posted:

the guy whose campaign platform was to replace the DoD with flying yogis got enough votes in Florida that year that it could have tipped the other way if he wasn't on the ballot

true but the position of buchanon's name on florida's stupid as gently caress ballots made it so that easily confused people (like the elderly) could vote for him while thinking they were voting gore so imo he and the Florida SoS are more to blame

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

anime was right posted:

kerry ran an OK campaign and was a really boring candidate but as far as i can tell he just kinda won a primary and then lost and was like well ok and that was that.

gore ran a dumb as nails campaign but overall seems like a solid dude.

everybody expected Kerry to lose the primary because he was boring and didn't stand for anything, but then the same post-middle-age resume-checkers that always vote in Dem primaries showed up to vote for him and then he won and everyone was like "well poo poo"

the lesson we should have taken from 2004 was "having the most poo poo on your resume doesn't mean that you can win a general election or even that you would be the best presidential candidate; also negative campaigning doesn't win presidential elections and if that's all you've got you've already lost"

the lesson we DID take from 2004 was "demonize rural Americans"

loquacius has issued a correction as of 17:07 on Jun 1, 2017

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Kerry was a much better Secretary of State than his predecessor.

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

GalacticAcid posted:

Kerry was a much better Secretary of State than his predecessor.

Kerry was also much better at being Secretary of State than he was at any other job he'd ever had

but yeah also I get your joke and I agree with it

Venom Snake
Feb 19, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

loquacius posted:

I'm in

(gore and kerry also didn't still have cults of personality six months after losing)

Hillary doesn't have one outside of peter daou twitter.

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anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

loquacius posted:

everybody expected Kerry to lose the primary because he was boring and didn't stand for anything, but then the same post-middle-age resume-checkers that always vote in Dem primaries showed up to vote for him and then he won and everyone was like "well poo poo"

the lesson we should have taken from 2004 was "having the most poo poo on your resume doesn't mean that you can win a general election or even that you would be the best presidential candidate"

the lesson we DID take from 2004 was "demonize rural Americans"

yeah being prez is seemingly all about simple messaging + likeable candidate. candidate likeability has a lot to do with not having a voting record that you can project into empty promises, or having a good voting record, it seems. you basically need "dude that isn't trash" or "obama 2.0"

with the internet we can now scrutinize the gently caress out of everything so blank slates seem like the only way neolibs are going to win a primary + ge.

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