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Timby posted:Acosta's also reporting that Trump is putting some "fine print" in the announcement to placate Ivanka, who's been begging him to stay in the agreement. The fine print is "Ivanka stays in the Paris Agreement"
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TheKingofSprings posted:So how many of these people that believe in American isolationism also believe in American exceptionalism? you have put way way more thought into this than every trump voter i have ever talked to
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GreyjoyBastard posted:there's effectively zero chance of anything ludicrous that comes out of it getting ratified Post your map 
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I also lust for the death of poors so these sanctions against the US sound like a good idea and not extremely dumb even by this thread's astonishing lack of foreign policy knowledge
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Drunk Theory posted:I doubt it, but placing economic sanctions on the US would be awesome. Sanctions are meant to deprive the host government of funds from industries that are closely tied with the regime (state owned oil industries or entire state-run economies in Libya). Economic sanctions on the U.S. would just be a punishment to US and European citizens and businesses. It wouldn't even make sense.
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Fojar38 posted:The EU has approximately a negative one billion percent chance of enacting sanctions on the US Climate change is the greatest threat facing humanity since recorded history. Removing ourselves from the international community on this issue will do harm to America that can't be undone by the next president. Also climate sanctions makes a lot of sense and is more likely than you might imagine.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:My wife took a Bjj class with a bunch of her girlfriends when we lived in DC, but they never mentioned the self-defense aspect of it and just practiced on cucumbers/dildos and drank wine. Does she work from home?
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Majorian posted:"Recover" in what sense? Do you think this is going to somehow cripple the U.S. diplomatically, in a way that Trump's other bad decisions won't? It shows that the U.S. can't be trusted as a leader anymore, and pretty much isolates us from the rest of the world. Plus, with China urging the U.S. to stay in, what will happen when we go to war with North Korea? I'd believe that South Korea and Japan would be hesitant to help, let alone China
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Timby posted:Acosta's also reporting that Trump is putting some "fine print" in the announcement to placate Ivanka, who's been begging him to stay in the agreement. The fine print is just a statement that the U.S. rejects this current framework, but is "open to negotiating a new framework and a better deal."
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Sanctions are meant to deprive the host government of funds from industries that are closely tied with the regime (state owned oil industries or entire state-run economies in Libya). sanctions would work against us in the same way they work against the countries we sanction: it would gently caress the poor for things they aren't at all responsible for, and still not create change while hamstringing local resistance to the regime
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Rust Martialis posted:Does she work from home? No, she works in an office about 14 miles from here.
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Trabisnikof posted:Climate change is the greatest threat facing humanity since recorded history. Removing ourselves from the international community on this issue will do harm to America that can't be undone by the next president. You are vastly, vastly, vastly overestimating how much the world actually cares about climate change (in the sense that its willing to actually put its money where its mouth is) regardless of the threat. You think China is going to abide by its Paris climate obligations?
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Timby posted:Acosta's also reporting that Trump is putting some "fine print" in the announcement to placate Ivanka, who's been begging him to stay in the agreement. Reminder Donnie only gets to listen to her during pillow talk.
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Fojar38 posted:American moral leadership ebbs and flows depending on who is in office and this wouldn't be the first time it does so This isn't just moral leadership. This is "can the word of the United States be trusted beyond the term of the current President" and while there's always been some things that change, Trump is making it clear that the answer is no. Not even NATO, and the Republican Party is so filled with craven lickspittles they won't rein him in.
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Lol what a troll Trump is. Amazing. The undoing of Obama's legacy continues.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Sanctions are meant to deprive the host government of funds from industries that are closely tied with the regime (state owned oil industries or entire state-run economies in Libya). The idea is to sanction US products based on the unfair trade practices of ignoring carbon emissions. If everyone else is spending more to make the same goods, but handle their emissions do you really think they'll happily let the US undercut them with an immoral polluting product? It wouldn't be Iran style "no new computers" but instead % sanctions based on the costs of avoiding carbon emissions in that product category. Fojar38 posted:You think China is going to abide by its Paris climate obligations? Yes and not meeting attainment isn't the same as "gently caress your earth" which is our policy. Of course we all know you hate china so clearly this is all *ccp propaganda* but yeah the rest of the world is taking climate more seriously than you think. Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Crain posted:Is there any situation where the EU might enact sanctions on the US? Or anyone for that matter? There were some discussions in the immediate aftermath of Trump's victory about how exiting the Paris deal and scrapping environmental regulations on US companies might see other countries impose a tax on US exports to even out the playing field. I doubt we will see anything happen, but given how quickly Trump is pissing off the world's leaders, if such a thing is possible under all the trade regulations/treaties, I wouldn't bet against it happening.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The fine print is just a statement that the U.S. rejects this current framework, but is "open to negotiating a new framework and a better deal." I hate that we have allowed "better deal" to enter our political lexicon. What better deal? This already affects us the least and is necessary to stop mass death.
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evilweasel posted:This isn't just moral leadership. This is "can the word of the United States be trusted beyond the term of the current President" and while there's always been some things that change, Trump is making it clear that the answer is no. Not even NATO, and the Republican Party is so filled with craven lickspittles they won't rein him in. This is another problem that isn't new though, and what's more, a problem that isn't limited to the United States but rather a feature of democratic governance the world over, namely that sometimes elections will substantially change a country's policy.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:No, she works in an office about 14 miles from here. Incalls or outcalls?
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Fojar38 posted:This is another problem that isn't new though, and what's more, a problem that isn't limited to the United States but rather a feature of democratic governance the world over. This is absolutely new. The United States has always had a commitment to the basic postwar order, no matter who was President. Trump has destroyed that.
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Trabisnikof posted:The idea is to sanction US products based on the unfair trade practices of ignoring carbon emissions. If everyone else is spending more to make the same goods, but handle their emissions do you really think they'll happily let the US undercut them with an immoral polluting product? You know that this would hurt Europeans as well, right? Europeans who are experiencing a far-right resurgence of their own?
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Fojar38 posted:You think China is going to abide by its Paris climate obligations? they already are idiot
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1-800-DOCTORB posted:You were lucky to have a basement dungeon! We used to live in one room, all twenty-six of us, no furniture, half the floor was missing, and we were all huddled together in one corner for fear of falling. Ha! Look at the Rockefellers here, bragging about having floors!
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WOLVERINES!!!
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Papal Infallibility posted:Any situation which you would actually be able to make use of said body armor (i.e. attacked at home with ample forewarning) would end disastrously unless you have some means of fighting off an attacker and "get the hell out of there" which as you mentioned is the best option would be much more successful if you didn't waste time putting on something that would probably slow you down. Yeah but, shot in the dark here, I'm pretty sure self-inflicted body armor wounds are literally zero so it's got that going for it. Or situations where body armor was taken and used by the attacker. Or using the body armor needlessly causing the death of someone else because you wanted to be safe. Or
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evilweasel posted:This is absolutely new. The United States has always had a commitment to the basic postwar order, no matter who was President. Trump has destroyed that. Wait, what? The Paris Climate Agreement is an integral piece of the basic postwar order? Or are you talking about how prominent European leaders don't like him? That really isn't new. You seem to think that trans-atlantic relations have been sunshine and roses since 1945.
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evilweasel posted:they already are idiot 
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Tatsuta Age posted:Jane the Virgin is great though Hell yeah, an actual good opinion.
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Classtoise posted:Yeah but, shot in the dark here, I'm pretty sure self-inflicted body armor wounds are literally zero so it's got that going for it. I stopped a robber by taking my body armor off and bashing his head in,then i took his gun and shot him 17 times
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Funny how "America first" means putting the world last. The world. Where America is located.
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Trabisnikof posted:The idea is to sanction US products based on the unfair trade practices of ignoring carbon emissions. If everyone else is spending more to make the same goods, but handle their emissions do you really think they'll happily let the US undercut them with an immoral polluting product? This: - Has never been done before. - Is illegal under EU law. - Even if the EU rewrote their law to allow this, they would have to withdraw from the WTO and abolish their current trade deals. - There is no way to reasonably calculate a "sanction" on excess carbon emissions. The EU would have absolutely no way to measure and enforce it. - If a product is just shipped or has a value-added process applied to it in the U.S., but is made elsewhere, how would that be measured? - Do other countries shipping to the U.S. for sale outside of the U.S. count? How would they be sanctioned?
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you are an incredibly bad and stupid poster with no insight and way too much smugness for somebody who evidently has done little to no research on anything you talk about
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Fiction posted:you are an incredibly bad and stupid poster with no insight and way too much smugness for somebody who evidently has done little to no research on anything you talk about Tell me more about China's great environmental record.
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Almost certain terror attack in the Philippines, at one of those foreign tourist resorts http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/01/asia/resorts-world-manila-philippines/index.html
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Fojar38 posted:You know that this would hurt Europeans as well, right? Europeans who are experiencing a far-right resurgence of their own? Only in so much as it raises the cost of unethical American made goods. European jobs would be protected from undercutting by Americans willing to pollute and that would help Europeans.
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Trabisnikof posted:Only in so much as it raises the cost of unethical American made goods. European jobs would be protected from undercutting by Americans willing to pollute and that would help Europeans. Ah, Trumpenomics Euro-edition.
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Fojar38 posted:You think China is going to abide by its Paris climate obligations? They are actually way ahead of their timeline on thier commitment, they were making us look like punks before trump moron
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Fojar38 posted:Ah, Trumpenomics Euro-edition. Lol so do you make this same argument every single time a tarrif is put in place against an unfair trade practice?
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Chilichimp posted:holy poo poo, didn't some janky twitter reporter break this poo poo back in like february? the wheel turns slowly, but it does turn.
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