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buglord posted:so like, how do you depoliticize climate change? In my hometown, its the concept is synonymous with "tree huggers" and immediately sparks the whole "THOSE STUPID LIBERALS" reaction. it's literally impossible, some people are too loving stupid and have too much of their self image tied up in being "right" about their politics plus any time it snows outside of November-February morons will post "if global warming how snowing?!" calling it "global warming" throughout the nineties and early-oughts hosed over the cause entirely. not to mention the fact that, again, conservative orthodoxy since the rush limbaugh era has almost literally been "lol libs mad!"
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Mr Interweb posted:Rand Paul just said that 6.5 million jobs in the energy sector would be lost because of the Paris agreement. DOE says 6.4 million people are currently employed in the energy sector. Obviously Paul is full of poo poo, but if he is talking on a very long timeline and not including net job growth, then it could be a "true" statement in the same way that it is accurate to say that over 8 billion people will die.
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Pakled posted:Yeah, the issue with coal mining jobs isn't just the economic impact, but also the perception of coal mining as being a proud, masculine profession, a "real job," a "man's job." It's another example of toxic masculinity. Yes. As an aside "toxic masculinity" is probably a bad phrase to enter the common parlance. It makes sense in an academic context, but like "white privilege" is going to confuse and upset people who aren't educated enough to realize what it means, thinking it's something to do with hating men. I don't really want guys like this to think they are hated for being macho. It's OK to be macho after all, as long as you don't let it box you into making foolish choices.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Yes. As an aside "toxic masculinity" is probably a bad phrase to enter the common parlance. It makes sense in an academic context, but like "white privilege" is going to confuse and upset people who aren't educated enough to realize what it means, thinking it's something to do with hating men. I don't really want guys like this to think they are hated for being macho. It's OK to be macho after all, as long as you don't let it box you into making foolish choices. The word "feminism" has this same PR problem. In common parlance most people tend to interpret it as being discriminatory towards men. I think that academia has already realized this somewhat and is trying to change the parlance to something that sounds more gender neutral.
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Jun 1, 2017 21:26
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:lol. Quite familiar with euroskepticism, actually. And when strong enough, the skeptics push the establishment conservative parties to distance themselves from their europhilic corporate masters and co-opt the language to retain power and eliminate the antiestablishment threat (Rather be May than Fillon). Perhaps Brussels really is more effective as an external enemy than Russia or the US, but I'm doubtful-especially if you can place blame for the refugees and immigration on US foreign policy and climate inaction.
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BarbarianElephant posted:If the Russia thing goes too far down we are going to end up with President Ben Carson, aren't we? He seems to be about the only one of them absolutely blameless in terms of Russia, mostly because he's a dozy old fart. The Russians tried, but every agent fell asleep during the recruitment process.
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Welcome to GBS posted:Can't wait for the baseball bat and brazilian jiu jitsu uprising started by the 40-something liberal suburbanites in this thread. Nice username/post combo. What part of the rural wastelands of Oregon do you live?
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Pakled posted:Yeah, the issue with coal mining jobs isn't just the economic impact, but also the perception of coal mining as being a proud, masculine profession, a "real job," a "man's job." It's another example of toxic masculinity. It's also explicitly a white man's job. ~95% of coal miners are white men.
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BarbarianElephant posted:Yes. As an aside "toxic masculinity" is probably a bad phrase to enter the common parlance. It makes sense in an academic context, but like "white privilege" is going to confuse and upset people who aren't educated enough to realize what it means, thinking it's something to do with hating men. I don't really want guys like this to think they are hated for being macho. It's OK to be macho after all, as long as you don't let it box you into making foolish choices. Yeah, it's unfortunate. The phrase "toxic masculinity" is so widely misunderstood. I see it mocked in far-right circles all the time. Is there a better term that conveys the meaning "the perception of certain bad things as being masculine and masculinity as desirable leads people to make bad choices" without the baggage of "toxic masculinity?"
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2 million dollars buys a lot more than the 1st home in the suburbs. That one from the first photo looks like about a 600k McMansion in Whitesville suburban Georgia, with a guest house/in-law sweet + single car garage tacked onto the far side of the garage (that appear to be additions). I imagine what he lived in was, like the truth, somewhere in the middle. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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Wark Say posted:
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Majorian posted:To some degree, sure. Is it enough to make them turn down those jobs en masse? I doubt it. they won't turn down the jobs but they will vote against democrats for bringing them there
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BarbarianElephant posted:Yes. As an aside "toxic masculinity" is probably a bad phrase to enter the common parlance. It makes sense in an academic context, but like "white privilege" is going to confuse and upset people who aren't educated enough to realize what it means, thinking it's something to do with hating men. I don't really want guys like this to think they are hated for being macho. It's OK to be macho after all, as long as you don't let it box you into making foolish choices. But again, is toxic masculinity so strong that it will make underemployed Rust Belt workers turn down new jobs en masse?
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https://twitter.com/AshleyEsqueda/status/870372128343732224 So, are people forgetting that a newly-elected president doesn't take office until the January after the election, or what? I mean, sure, okay, having a new president who says they want to uphold the agreement would be good, yes, but that doesn't at all prevent the current administration from fully pulling out.
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Majorian posted:But again, is toxic masculinity so strong that it will make underemployed Rust Belt workers turn down new jobs en masse? Probably? It's a matter of identity, it can be like a battle for their very soul. That's an existentially powerful motivator for a lot of people.
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Jun 1, 2017 21:32
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evilweasel posted:they won't turn down the jobs but they will vote against democrats for bringing them there How can you be certain of that? The Dems haven't really tried this recently.
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dont you guys find it strange that all the top evil capitalists buisness leaders and fortune 500 corporations wanted america to remain in the paris accord? its as if they somehow were planning to profit from it hmm.....
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Harrow posted:https://twitter.com/AshleyEsqueda/status/870372128343732224 Maybe the following president can enter it again Then they can lose office to another president who promises to pull out, and America spends the next few decades loving the Paris agreement
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big time bisexual posted:I know it sounds ridiculous but Fojar is referencing something that actually happened a few weeks ago. This is just the most depressingly hilarious thing. Doesn't the US embassy record air quality, with the measurements almost always being much higher than the "official" CCP approved reading?
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Harrow posted:https://twitter.com/AshleyEsqueda/status/870372128343732224 Don't worry, the incoming administration can use discrete back channels to preserve the agreement. It's a good thing.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Probably? It's a matter of identity, it can be like a battle for their very soul. That's absurd. A lot of these people voted Dem consistently until this last election.
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Fojar38 posted:The word "feminism" has this same PR problem. In common parlance most people tend to interpret it as being discriminatory towards men. I think that academia has already realized this somewhat and is trying to change the parlance to something that sounds more gender neutral. thank u for solving sexism and leading us to the promised land we just needed to rebrand thank u so kindly
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Majorian posted:But again, is toxic masculinity so strong that it will make underemployed Rust Belt workers turn down new jobs en masse? Nah, just strong enough to fight those jobs ever showing up.
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Majorian posted:That's absurd. A lot of these people voted Dem consistently until this last election. Yeah good job at union wages they generally won't give a poo poo what it is.
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La Brea Carpet posted:In no particular order 0) Those smelly EURO-pee-ins didn't suck his dick and say what an amazing big boy he was and didn't roll over for his hotels/golf courses permits.
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Harrow posted:https://twitter.com/AshleyEsqueda/status/870372128343732224 re-entering the agreement would not take 4 years. I bet it wouldn't even take 4 days. We might be out for about 3 months, perhaps long enough to miss an important summit or two.
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buglord posted:so like, how do you depoliticize climate change? In my hometown, its the concept is synonymous with "tree huggers" and immediately sparks the whole "THOSE STUPID LIBERALS" reaction. I can't remember for the life of me remember which podcast it was I listened to, but they actually covered this. Basically, you play to their want of things to be "how they were before". So you talk about how the heat waves don't let kids play outside like they used to, or how old fishing holes are drying up, and how you want the US to have that clean air BEFORE that fracking crap came in. You could also play into how the US used to be the front of new energy sources and how we're no longer the global leader of the newest solar and nuclear energy. Waffles Inc. posted:it's literally impossible, some people are too loving stupid and have too much of their self image tied up in being "right" about their politics Or you can embrace the darkness... Edit: Mobile posting is bad and I feel bad. Delicious Meat fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Majorian posted:How can you be certain of that? The Dems haven't really tried this recently. you mean, say, the stimulus bill of 2009 where most of these people furiously voted republican in response
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Majorian posted:But again, is toxic masculinity so strong that it will make underemployed Rust Belt workers turn down new jobs en masse? Yes. My coal country cousins from WV legitimately say they are against retraining, against altering the state's "industry identity", and want it to be coal or nothing. One of them is even a loving machinist, but works exclusively on coal mining equipment repairing the heavy machines and making new parts for 80+ year old stuff. He could make parts for anything. He could be making parts for Turbines, frames for solar panels, anything. But no. Coal country.
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Pakled posted:Yeah, it's unfortunate. The phrase "toxic masculinity" is so widely misunderstood. I see it mocked in far-right circles all the time. Is there a better term that conveys the meaning "the perception of certain bad things as being masculine and masculinity as desirable leads people to make bad choices" without the baggage of "toxic masculinity?" You probably have to write it out long-style. Using buzz-words like this to save on typing creates a lot of misunderstandings.
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Rigel posted:re-entering the agreement would not take 4 years. I bet it wouldn't even take 4 days. We might be out for about 3 months, perhaps long enough to miss an important summit or two. Yeah, fair enough. I think people are making a big deal of the specific date, I guess, when the real thing is that, yes, we can re-enter the agreement. Edit: Or maybe the real message is that climate should be a central issue in the 2020 election and the looming exit deadline puts the pressure on.
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When do we get to the point where we can start knocking people off thrones? Do bodies have to actually pile up first? Seriously, this is so ridiculous and has actually trashed my ability to function day to day.
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Crain posted:Yes. My coal country cousins from WV legitimately say they are against retraining, against altering the state's "industry identity", and want it to be coal or nothing. What do they say about natural gas?
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Majorian posted:But again, is toxic masculinity so strong that it will make underemployed Rust Belt workers turn down new jobs en masse? They won't turn them down, but they won't feel happy about them. So they'll vote anyone who promises to bring coal jobs back even if they have a perfectly good job, and they'd never actually take a coal job, because gently caress dying of black lung. It's cultural. Stoopid obstinate humans.
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evilweasel posted:you mean, say, the stimulus bill of 2009 where most of these people furiously voted republican in response The stimulus bill didn't do much to bring solar jobs to these states, and they still voted to reelect Obama, Brown, etc.
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Cran posted:When do we get to the point where we can start knocking people off thrones? Do bodies have to actually pile up first? november 2018, sooner if your state has meaningful elections in 2017 like virginia and new jersey
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I think anyone who wants a job being a coal miner should get it ,it should be a federal subsidy program , and it should be run by Donald Blankenship
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stone cold posted:thank u for solving sexism and leading us to the promised land What are you talking about
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