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Sebadoh Gigante posted:In the latest episode they talk about how Tanehesi Coates keeps writing "bodies" instead of "people," maybe he's like ulillillia? He also uses the word "plunder" a lot. I think he's trying to make a point about it.
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Sebadoh Gigante posted:In the latest episode they talk about how Tanehesi Coates keeps writing "bodies" instead of "people," maybe he's like ulillillia? He's stated that his adoption of that formulation came from a rejection of spirituality, that a "body" represented a temporal, material self. Thomas Chatterton Williams obliquely criticized that formulation as well in the LRB last year -- Thomas Chatterton Williams posted:Between the World and Me traces Coates’s youth in a West Baltimore neighbourhood every bit as dominated by violence and drugs as the one where Peace grew up. The narrative focuses the experience of black subjectivity in the visceral, constructed fact of ‘the body’, a device derived from Foucault by way of feminist discourse. Coates returns again and again to his desire to ‘unshackle my body and achieve the velocity of escape’. It's worth a read, essay here. edited to fix url tags GalacticAcid fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jun 1, 2017 |
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yeah the interview starts off pretty weak because quibbling over what seems like a very thoughtful word choice is lame but it starts getting better pretty fast once they're off that subject
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This is the least interrupted to cackle about metal gear and twitter jokes guest I think I have ever heard on this show
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Jun 1, 2017 15:20
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Coates is kind of an idiot and everything Adolph Reed said about him was right.
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:This is the least interrupted to cackle about metal gear and twitter jokes guest I think I have ever heard on this show Felix sat In the corner and didn't open his mouth during the China Mieville episode
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Jun 1, 2017 15:36
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The critiques of Coates are valid and Coates is good. His ideological pessimism is understandable and probably justified. Lol if you think anything matters.
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But yeah this episode is excellent -- practical & sharp. Stephens is a killer guest.
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Bryter posted:I don't get TVTropes. It's like somebody looked at IMDb trivia pages and thought the information was nowhere near trivial enough.
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yea I'm a big fan of Coates but aside from the weird 'why does he say bodies' tiny sliver it was a solid talk about the issues in his writing, and the rest of the interview was just gold. Has Stephens been on other episodes, I'm drawing a blank.
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Jun 1, 2017 17:04
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I understand why he says bodies and think he's a good writer I was just making a goony joke about it. It is annoying when some other writers use bodies repeatedly without really contextualizing it. The widespread use of the word lessens its impact IMO.
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yea when coates uses it there is a poetic/political point to it but most writers do not carry that weight and instead sound like they are dissecting corpses.
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Jun 1, 2017 17:51
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Feel like we're due for a Davison ep soon.
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For all the poo poo they give the Harry Potter people it's ironic the latest Chapo has the author of Goosebumps as a guest.
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They just unlocked Episode 113 for non-subscribers.
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GalacticAcid posted:They just unlocked Episode 113 for non-subscribers. I really like that they do stuff like this when the guest is really good/important/etc. Like we make jokes about how much money they get to yell about the news room and poo poo but they actually do run a really solid business model for the podcast and I'm glad it worked for them.
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Sebadoh Gigante posted:For all the poo poo they give the Harry Potter people it's ironic the latest Chapo has the author of Goosebumps as a guest. Please tell me this is a joke
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That was a good rear end episode. RL touched on how politically useless and personally divisive being woke is, but I wonder if there are any past episodes (or other non-Chapo media) that are dedicated to that sort of thing specifically? Hopefully something not in a "15 year old girls with purple hair is why Trump won" kind of way, but something actually thoughtful.
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:That was a good rear end episode. RL touched on how politically useless and personally divisive being woke is, but I wonder if there are any past episodes (or other non-Chapo media) that are dedicated to that sort of thing specifically? The cultural appropriation episode with Shuja Haider touches on it
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:That was a good rear end episode. RL touched on how politically useless and personally divisive being woke is, but I wonder if there are any past episodes (or other non-Chapo media) that are dedicated to that sort of thing specifically? You may enjoy Episode 21 with @mexicanarchist
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Apoplexy posted:Please tell me this is a joke lol
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:That was a good rear end episode. RL touched on how politically useless and personally divisive being woke is, but I wonder if there are any past episodes (or other non-Chapo media) that are dedicated to that sort of thing specifically? they've explicitly rejected 'tumblr stereotypes are why trump won' many times. Their issue is, as RL very expertly put out, just KNOWING this poo poo doesn't do anything. When he was getting hosed by racism in his job and was broke the fact that he knew 'this is the effects of white supremacy' didn't change that he was being hosed, it's knowing that AND fighting that does that. Coates is an excellent writer, but yea his focus on just 'acknowledge the existence of this problem...very good ok moving on' and while that's good for thinkpieces that doesn't really work to anything real for 90% of americans who'd be affected by it.
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GalacticAcid posted:You may enjoy Episode 21 with @mexicanarchist That's a really good ep
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Yeah it's a shame that dude disappeared, would be a good guest to hear more from
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whoops. wonder what happened? https://twitter.com/mexicanarchist/status/829772166661013504
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As far as I recall, he joined the DSA and stopped calling himself an anarchist, which alienated a bunch of people he had been friendly with on Twitter then one day his account was just gone
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hell hath no fury like left-anarchists when one of their number goes "maybe the state isn't that bad"
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a lot of the former anarchists I know who became socialists, did so because 1. they got sick of how hard it was to get things done in anarchist spaces (lol think how bad it's gotta be if socialist spaces are an upgrade) and/or 2. they became more sympathetic to the idea that the "state" after a proper worker's revolution would not very much resemble the bourgeois state
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Mr. Lobe posted:a lot of the former anarchists I know who became socialists, did so because Number two is the leap that Brett and Bryan from Street Fight seem to have made. It has been noticeable over the last few months, and seems to have only become more prominent over the last few weeks. They're still anarchists, but Brett talking about the Void Network and the intersection between the two groups was really good.
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Dispersal posted:Number two is the leap that Brett and Bryan from Street Fight seem to have made. It has been noticeable over the last few months, and seems to have only become more prominent over the last few weeks. They're still anarchists, but Brett talking about the Void Network and the intersection between the two groups was really good. brett owns a house with electricity from the 1700s, so he's probably into private property padijun fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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sexpig by night posted:I really like that they do stuff like this when the guest is really good/important/etc. Like we make jokes about how much money they get to yell about the news room and poo poo but they actually do run a really solid business model for the podcast and I'm glad it worked for them. At first I thought they followed the model of prime episode being a news/smart guest/chapo reading one and the patreon one being more stoned goofs on movies or like cumtown adam appearances, but it has been very random for the past months. Good on them to lift the paywall for the real fire eps.
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Lord Frisk posted:Felix sat In the corner and didn't open his mouth during the China Mieville episode Pretty sure they cut his mic and he spent the whole episode rambling about Metal Gear and Saudi Arabia RL was a good as gently caress guest even though I've never actually read anything Coates has written and feel no particular need to do so
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padijun posted:brett owns a house with electricity from the 1700s, so he's probably into private property Vintage, artisinal electricity is the new hipster trend.
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I've heard a lot of good stuff about Ta-Nehesi Coates' run on Black Panther and his writing from the Atlantic time was pretty good (mostly remember from Andrew Sullivan debating with him when I read that assholes' site regularly)
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The Atlantic has devolved into conservative apologia but Coates is usually extremely good. This critique was pretty solid but there's a reason the episode was framed as looking at Coates from a different perspective as opposed to a duck hunt.
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Apoplexy posted:Please tell me this is a joke some things you just don't joke about
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Crane Fist posted:Pretty sure they cut his mic and he spent the whole episode rambling about Metal Gear and Saudi Arabia He's one of the thought leaders with regard to the dynamics of African Americans relations currently, so probably worth giving a quick look into.
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padijun posted:brett owns a house with electricity from the 1700s, so he's probably into private property So was Proudhon, technically.
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