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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Well, yeah, but how do they get the regular folks on board with it, are they all longing for the days with lead in everything including the gas exhaust in the air and uranium in the glow-in-the-dark paint or do they just think God would never let them run out of resources so recycling is for none-believers? Unless you are typing this by living in a tiny yurt and clicking stones together to make sparks that translate into cell signals or something you and they and everyone are constantly choosing decisions that prioritize some things over the environment. Everyone sells out some part of the environment for some gain a million times a day, it's better to be conscious about it and minimize it and everyone isn't just as bad but don't think it's some sort of alien psychology that you could never possibly understand when you also constantly make choices that harm the environment and justify them to yourself, as we all do.
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So I've been thinking about the law that was just passed in the California senate that requires candidates to release 5 years of tax returns to be on the ballot. Upon first reading about it, I was excited because it should mean that we'll never have another situation like the one we've had with Trump. But in reality, it doesn't actually matter, and is yet another rule that only Democrats will bother following. A Republican presidential candidate could absolutely decline to release his returns, not bother being on the ballot, lose the national popular vote by 15 million votes, and still end up winning the election. Hell, I'd posit that they could even brag about not running in California and their base would go loving gaga over it. twice burned ice fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Slashrat posted:I suspect even scandinavian libertarian shitbags would be too liberal for the average republican in the US And even so, they're getting ready to shoot themselves in the face because the immigrant/minority population is growing from like 7% to 9%, and it's getting harder and harder to keep them off the public benefits that the homegrown white Danes get, especially with that pesky European Union constantly telling them that they're in violation of EU law.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Unless you are typing this by living in a tiny yurt and clicking stones together to make sparks that translate into cell signals or something you and they and everyone are constantly choosing decisions that prioritize some things over the environment. Everyone sells out some part of the environment for some gain a million times a day, it's better to be conscious about it and minimize it and everyone isn't just as bad but don't think it's some sort of alien psychology that you could never possibly understand when you also constantly make choices that harm the environment and justify them to yourself, as we all do. That's being a bit sweeping, you can't really control if the power your using is coming from a coal plant or solar/hydro on the other end unless you take your house off the grid, you can be conscious about recycling more or buying cleaner products but my question is what causes people to be straight up vindictive towards recycling and the environment like this guy as a example. Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Noted Trump supporter and fat rear end Todd Starnes Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 13:09 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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twice burned ice posted:So I've been thinking about the law that was just passed in the California senate that requires candidates to release 5 years of tax returns to be on the ballot. Upon first reading about it, I was excited because it should mean that we'll never have another situation like the one we've had with Trump. Not having the presidential candidate on the ballot to motivate their voters would absolutely destroy the California GOP. California still sends 14 GOP representatives to congress.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:That's being a bit sweeping, you can't really control if the power your using is coming from a coal plant or solar/hydro on the other end unless you take your house off the grid, you can be conscious about recycling more or buying cleaner products but my question is what causes people to be straight up vindictive towards the environment like this guy as a example.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:Well, yeah, but how do they get the regular folks on board with it, are they all longing for the days with lead in everything including the gas exhaust in the air and uranium in the glow-in-the-dark paint or do they just think God would never let them run out of resources so recycling is for none-believers? These people look out the window and say "Welp, the environment seems fine to me, why should I have to change anything I'm doing?" It's the exact equivalent of racial/sexual privilege. It's a narrative that tells people they're doing everything just right already and don't have to change or sacrifice anything, and anyone who says otherwise is trying to get their greedy little fingers into your pocket (or take away your fun). USA A-OK! And it the planet warms up a few degrees, so what? I like nice sunny days! 
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Shifty Pony posted:Not having the presidential candidate on the ballot to motivate their voters would absolutely destroy the California GOP. California still sends 14 GOP representatives to congress. This is a fair point. If it's a reasonable GOP candidate (lol), that would probably be enough to ensure that they run in California.
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:That's being a bit sweeping, you can't really control if the power your using is coming from a coal plant or solar/hydro on the other end unless you take your house off the grid, you can be conscious about recycling more or buying cleaner products but my question is what causes people to be straight up vindictive towards recycling and the environment like this guy as a example. Like literally posting this used resources. Do you care? no. Should you? probably also no. But you also know you are wasting resources and choose to do so. As does everyone.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Like literally posting this used resources. Do you care? no. Should you? probably also no. But you also know you are wasting resources and choose to do so. As does everyone. This is stupid and completely misses the spirit of the question. There's a difference between ordinary consumption and deliberate over consumption and waste. One is driving a 2005 Civic that only gets 28 miles to the gallon. The other is rolling coal and dumping motor oil into the street drains. twice burned ice fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Jun 2, 2017 |
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:The "I'm gonna be as wasteful as possible just because I can" mindset. This is true. It's the standard Republican mindset. I've met people who said they'd by a gas guzzler and run it around in circles just to annoy Al Gore after An Inconvenient Truth came out. They don't care about right or wrong. They just want to piss off liberals. The mindset of a child. Trump is treating the Presidency like a business just like he said. He sees it as taking over a rival's business. And he's destroying everything his rival did to make the business successful as a power play and just to spite him. He doesn't care if its good or bad he just wants to destroy his business rival utterly. It's been Trump's game plan for years.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Like literally posting this used resources. Do you care? no. Should you? probably also no. But you also know you are wasting resources and choose to do so. As does everyone. If using up some resources is the means to some other end (like say entertainment), the motivation there is obvious and understandable. There's no clear motivation for someone to have a goal to use up resources purely for the sake of wasting resources, that's deeply irrational. These aren't the same things at all.
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I hate that it's TYOOL 2017 and we are still trying to learn lessons motherfucking Captain Planet taught us in the 90's.
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Spaced God posted:I hate that it's TYOOL 2017 and we are still trying to learn lessons motherfucking Captain Planet taught us in the 90's. Don't worry; one day the mullet will return.
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Lots of people eat more sweets than is good for them because they enjoy the taste, so why do you think there's anything odd about me choking down a bottle of pure corn syrup and yelling "U MAD NOW DOCTORS, I BET THIS MAKES YOU SO MAD!!"
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Spaced God posted:I hate that it's TYOOL 2017 and we are still trying to learn lessons motherfucking Captain Planet taught us in the 90's. Donald J. Trump is listed as an eco-villan on the Captain Planet wiki page now apparently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Planet_and_the_Planeteers quote:The Eco-Villains are a small group of antagonists who cause danger to the planet by committing pollution, deforestation, and poaching. They enjoy the destruction they cause to the planet and the harm they bring upon anyone by any means to obtain wealth, land, or power. Due to conflict among them from their varying self-serving interests and backgrounds, they tend to work alone most of the time, although episodes do show the villains enter into temporary alliances when it suits their plans. Only in one two-part episode did the entire ensemble of Eco-Villains work as a team, with Zarm as the leader. Each of these villains represents a specific ecological disaster. These include:
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My father is a weirdo ultra Republican who (I assume, since I've been estranged from some time) spends his days posting on conservative news groups about the evils of immigrants and non-Christians and Democrats. Growing up, my first exposure to environmentalism was obviously in school, followed closely by learning that Rachel Carson was a slut whore who wanted to destroy our farming communities with her hateful lies -- all I'd done was share what I'd learned in my third grade science assignment. To be honest, it took me a long time before I realized that Rachel Carson isn't controversial at all. This was back in the 90s, and I'm pretty sure his opinions had existed within him for some time prior to that. I don't get it. For me, my exposure to the bad opinions of far right conservatives towards environmentalists/conservationists also included a weird amount of misogyny (seriously, any woman associated with it was a slut or whore or lesbian, a feminazi, etc). I'm glad I didn't end up with his political leanings. Gross gross gross.
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Inferior Third Season posted:Not really. The Danish right wing advocates and implements policies that would be super-popular with the Republican base: generous welfare benefits for the white masses, while immigrant minority groups ("immigrant" being an inheritable trait for several generations in Scandinavia) get basically no help from the state, though they do get the blame for all of society's ills. Being against immigration has nothing to do with the left/right axis. Those danish you are speaking about who are in favor of generous welfare benifits are socialists. Just like hitler wasnt extreme right he was extreme left. Not that being against immigration is immoral but im illustrating a point.
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Inferior Third Season posted:Not really. The Danish right wing advocates and implements policies that would be super-popular with the Republican base: generous welfare benefits for the white masses, while immigrant minority groups ("immigrant" being an inheritable trait for several generations in Scandinavia) get basically no help from the state, though they do get the blame for all of society's ills. plus isn't the fact that the Scandinavians aren't basically getting a helluva economic boost because immigration is making up for the lower birth rates they had for decades? (or at least I remember vaguely something from developmental econ studies)
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:That's being a bit sweeping, you can't really control if the power your using is coming from a coal plant or solar/hydro on the other end unless you take your house off the grid, you can be conscious about recycling more or buying cleaner products but my question is what causes people to be straight up vindictive towards recycling and the environment like this guy as a example. Let me run up my electric bill and spend more on gas! That'll show those libtards! Now let me tell you about fiscal conservatism!
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/870620977620713472 Trump: good for the economy!
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On Terra Firma posted:Can someone repost that article from der spiegel about the benefits of being in the deal? I can't find it and I have no idea what it was called in German. It was posted two or so pages back.
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Jealous Cow posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/870620977620713472 THis clearly isn't counting those 45 coal jobs just created.
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FizFashizzle posted:THis clearly isn't counting those 45 coal jobs just created. We're putting Trump to work in a coal mine now? 
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Gnossiennes posted:This was back in the 90s, and I'm pretty sure his opinions had existed within him for some time prior to that. I don't get it. For me, my exposure to the bad opinions of far right conservatives towards environmentalists/conservationists also included a weird amount of misogyny (seriously, any woman associated with it was a slut or whore or lesbian, a feminazi, etc). Was he a Rush Limbaugh listener? In the early 90s using that word was a pretty strong indicator that he was and that would explain a lot of the misogyny.
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twice burned ice posted:We're putting Trump to work in a coal mine now? He's qualified to be the canary.
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https://twitter.com/AshleyRParker/status/870627474329280512 She tried so hard, you guys
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How much does anyone want to bet that in the next year or two Russian fully invades the Ukraine and the US will just sit here, twiddling its thumbs?
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Cimber posted:How much does anyone want to bet that in the next year or two Russian fully invades the Ukraine and the US will just sit here, twiddling its thumbs? Hell, if this madness keeps up, we'll be sending troops to the Ukraine in two years to help the Russians annex the whole place.
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Cimber posted:How much does anyone want to bet that in the next year or two Russian fully invades the Ukraine and the US will just sit here, twiddling its thumbs? Stop calling it The Ukraine. It looks like based on what I saw on NPR that the March and April jobs growth was actually lower than stated as well. Nice
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Obama needs to fully embrace his destiny as Br'er Obama and just tell Trump he totally, for real wants him to do bad things since loving his stuff seems like Trump's only motivation for anything in light of a bunch of rich CEOs even telling him that we should stick in the Paris deal..
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Tatsuta Age posted:Stop calling it The Ukraine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teSXcJlpMl8
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I've pretty much come around to accepting that America is done. At least the original ideals can survive and thrive in some new global power after us. If only the flaws of our election system hadn't come home to roost after several hundred years.
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JazzFlight posted:I've pretty much come around to accepting that America is done. In retrospect giving people more or less government representation based on where they lived was a bad idea.
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JazzFlight posted:I've pretty much come around to accepting that America is done. Absolutely no one is interested in your brokebrain ramblings.
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